Drinking and Driving
- Thread starter DayDreamer1
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Make it illegal. Wait, they already did that. You have to change a behaviour, a mindset. Ignition interlocks won't do it; they'll just get a buddy to start the car for them.
Hangman said:
There is no foolproof wayto avoid it but ignition interlocks are not that bad. Many people do drink alone. What kind of "buddy" would start the car for their "buddy"? That's almost like asking your buddy to put bullets in his handgun.
Vocal groups such as M.A.D.D. have tried to put a stop to it put people are still idiotic and driving while they are intoxicated.
Fuck that idea. The nanny state is already in our faces enough - we don't need them adding hundreds of dollars to the cost of a car and another hoop to jump through, just to please the rampant lobbiests who think their pet issue should be everyone's pet issue.
Yes D&D is horrible and the waste of life it sometimes causes is appalling, but that's life. Many more people die from smoking, eating poorly, slipping in the bathtub, or just plain old non alcohol-related car accidents. You can't regulate risk out of every facet of life. D&D sucks but having big brother control our lives even more, would suck even more.
And to short circuit the trite response: yes, if the wife or son of somone who died in a D&D related crash got in my face about it, I would say this to their face (although I would try to avoid it, out of sympathy. How horrible to have to face that. But if they started preaching and wouldn't stop, I'd engage in civilized but frank debate, and let them know how I feel).
Yes D&D is horrible and the waste of life it sometimes causes is appalling, but that's life. Many more people die from smoking, eating poorly, slipping in the bathtub, or just plain old non alcohol-related car accidents. You can't regulate risk out of every facet of life. D&D sucks but having big brother control our lives even more, would suck even more.
And to short circuit the trite response: yes, if the wife or son of somone who died in a D&D related crash got in my face about it, I would say this to their face (although I would try to avoid it, out of sympathy. How horrible to have to face that. But if they started preaching and wouldn't stop, I'd engage in civilized but frank debate, and let them know how I feel).
There's already enough bad drivers out there and when they are drunk that rate increases rapidly. I'm not saying that it should be in our faces all the time but people still don't have a clue.
People die of many different things but most of the time the driver is not killed in these accidents. It is the innocent person behind the wheel or a person on the sidewalk. If the problem is self inflicted, then that's their problem and they should look after it. I'm not trying to seem cold but if a person is overeating and they balloon to a size that they can't fit a doorway, then their are issues at hand that they must deal with.
People die of many different things but most of the time the driver is not killed in these accidents. It is the innocent person behind the wheel or a person on the sidewalk. If the problem is self inflicted, then that's their problem and they should look after it. I'm not trying to seem cold but if a person is overeating and they balloon to a size that they can't fit a doorway, then their are issues at hand that they must deal with.
If convicted (for a first offense)...
Car permanently impounded
12 months in jail
$25,000 fine
3 years community service
Car permanently impounded
12 months in jail
$25,000 fine
3 years community service
Report it to the police.
I had someone who was once in my life who would drink and drive, making excuses that they metablized alcohol very quickly. I gave them one warning and said I would report it to the police should they ever do it again.
About a month later they were liquored up, when they went to their car I called the police. RCMP picked them up and they were arrested for DUI.
They can't drink and drive anymore, they don't have a car or license.
I had someone who was once in my life who would drink and drive, making excuses that they metablized alcohol very quickly. I gave them one warning and said I would report it to the police should they ever do it again.
About a month later they were liquored up, when they went to their car I called the police. RCMP picked them up and they were arrested for DUI.
They can't drink and drive anymore, they don't have a car or license.
Cycleguy007
Banned
CapitalGuy said:
Extremely well said CG!
And Red, I know you're poking fun at governments who, in order to try and "solve a problem" ban something. McGuinty is perfect example of this... he hasn't banned anything lately so he must be getting itchy!!
How about one easy fix to solve every problem in the world ... mandatory enlightenment.
Dalton may be working on it
Dalton may be working on it
Cycleguy007
Banned
I think a paradigm shift in attitudes is necessary.... Generally speaking our society is always talking about "rights".snowleopard said:
Perhaps if instead, people started talking about responsibilities things may just start to change.
Example:
If someone gets "caught" drinking and driving, instead of getting a lawyer to protect his or her rights, the person should instead get a lawyer to advise him or her what their responsibility is.
Once people start taking responsibility for their actions- then and only then will things start to change.
Just my nickels worth.
The problem being, we are in a society which believes that things are everyone elses responsibility but theirs.Cycleguy007 said:I think a paradigm shift in attitudes is necessary.... Generally speaking our society is always talking about "fights".
Perhaps if instead, people started talking about responsibilities things may just start to change.
Example:
If someone gets "caught" drinking and driving, instead of getting a lawyer to protect his or her rights, the person should instead get a lawyer to advise him or her what their responsibility is.
Once people start taking responsibility for their actions- then and only then will things start to change.
Just my nickels worth.
It's the bars fault for serving me
It's the beer companies fault for not having a warning
It's my friends fault for not taking my keys
It's my mothers fault for being abusive when I was a child
It's the polices fault, they should be going after more dangerous criminals.
Drinking and driving is avoidable in every instance. I say punish to the fullest extent of the law.
Cycleguy007
Banned
That is EXACTLY my point player... Instead we should be a society that thinks:a 1 player said:
It's my fault if I drink too much alcohol at the bar
It's my fault if I ignore the many warnings about drinking & driving
It's my fault for not making other arrangements for getting home
It's my fault for not rising above having a shitty childhood and becoming a better person
It's my fault the police have to waste time on idiots like me instead of going after more dangerous criminals.
But unfortunately we don't.
I'm not saying we should live in a perfect world. That is just not possible. But we should be willing to take responsibility for our own actions.
Example: I like to drive fast. (Like everyone else it seems) and I am more than willing to pay the ticket when I get caught. I have no problem with this. I am more than willing to pay the consequence of my action.
