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Door to door mail delivery - do we really want to keep it around? At what cost?

red

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Let's go back to basics. Everyone wants the government to be efficient, right? Well home delivery is the MOST INEFFICIENT form of delivery possible. From that perspective, why wouldn't we want to increase efficiency and reduce costs by communal delivery. Yes, they used to always do home delivery. But we also used to use typewriters and wagons and all sorts of things that are no longer efficient.

Time to get in the now!
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james t kirk

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It's all well and good for guys who live out in the barren wastelands known as the suburbs to have community mail boxes, they were planned into the design of the God forsaken streets.

But in the inner city of Toronto where I live where the streets are tight and lots are 15 or 20 or 25 feet wide I'm real curious to see exactly where they are planning to put these damn monsters. It just won't work.

Of all the services I don't use that the government provides, they want to eliminate the one I do use.
 

red

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It's all well and good for guys who live out in the barren wastelands known as the suburbs to have community mail boxes, they were planned into the design of the God forsaken streets.

But in the inner city of Toronto where I live where the streets are tight and lots are 15 or 20 or 25 feet wide I'm real curious to see exactly where they are planning to put these damn monsters. It just won't work.

Of all the services I don't use that the government provides, they want to eliminate the one I do use.
Then vote liberal- trudeau vows to reinstate home delivery
 

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Then vote liberal- trudeau vows to reinstate home delivery
ANYBODY who votes for some one who says that,...shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Even Mucklair wouldn't state that,...well maybe if it guaranteed his election,...!!!

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red

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ANYBODY who votes for some one who says that,...shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Even Mucklair wouldn't state that,...well maybe if it guaranteed his election,...!!!

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That's right. Politicians shouldn't propose popular policies.
 

danmand

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If Canada Post cannot provide door delivery, the company should be completely privatized, and should compete on an even basis with delivery companies, I.e. not have any benefit of government mail.
 

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That's right. Politicians shouldn't propose popular policies.
Proposing popular policies,...and actually having realistic intentions of doing it,...are two totally different things.

This is total bull shit.

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oldjones

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If Canada Post cannot provide door delivery, the company should be completely privatized, and should compete on an even basis with delivery companies, I.e. not have any benefit of government mail.
Of course that 'if' of yours is a huge one. Who says they can't? It's just that 'we' refuse to subsidize the cost per address. On a strictly business basis, you're dead right, and I'd rather see that happen than have group mailboxes forced onto somebody's property. That is what will happen to downtowners like me and james t kirk, as the recent Hamilton case makes clear.

However I will no longer have any obligation to keep the way clear of snow for the messengers of the Sovereign as I once did. That is what we give up when we make the Post a for pay service rather than a universal one. But hey! The gun-fanatics are always telling us having a designated government employee responsible for keeping up a physical communication with every household is creeping tyranny that we're better off without.

When we didn't have delivery, we invented it. We'll see how it works out this time. And whether the results are the same in Inuvik as along Islington Avenue.
 

ericdf11

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Used to have home delivery for bread and milk, the world has gotten along just fine for decades without it. The sky will not fall if junk mail isn't delivered to your door. That is about all most people get these days and the ones who still pay bills by mail are the ones on the obituary page.... ie the opposition will die off as time goes on. The ones who are most in favour of continued home delivery are the wastes of space otherwise known as postal "workers". Who gives a crap about them?
 

DanJ

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If Canada Post cannot provide door delivery, the company should be completely privatized, and should compete on an even basis with delivery companies, I.e. not have any benefit of government mail.
Well, I can basically guarantee you that Fedex, UPS and Purolator aren't clamouring to deliver your piece of mail to any address in Canada for a buck.
 

james t kirk

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Used to have home delivery for bread and milk, the world has gotten along just fine for decades without it. The sky will not fall if junk mail isn't delivered to your door. That is about all most people get these days and the ones who still pay bills by mail are the ones on the obituary page.... ie the opposition will die off as time goes on. The ones who are most in favour of continued home delivery are the wastes of space otherwise known as postal "workers". Who gives a crap about them?
I actually give a crap about them. Not everything is about a race to the bottom.

And I don't think they ever delivered bread, but they did deliver milk, I do remember that from when I was a very small kid.

And I like paper bills delivered and statements. It allows me to file them for future reference. Whenever someone tells me that I need to agree to ebilling, I always say I want to maintain a paper billing system please.
 

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Well, I can basically guarantee you that Fedex, UPS and Purolator aren't clamouring to deliver your piece of mail to any address in Canada for a buck.
Would be easy enough for Purolator,...private company that was bought by Canada Post.

Don't what the reasoning was behind the purchase,...but one could only hope it was to keep the civil servants in check,...one can dream.

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GPIDEAL

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I've had community mailbox service for 20 years and don't really miss door to door. Sure, when I'm an old guy, I might appreciate it being brought to me, but then, if I'm an old guy who can't walk a few hundred feet to the mailbox, I probably won't be living in a house anymore either. And what mail will I be getting then anyway? As for Canada Post being profitable, first off they have subsidiary companies that are making profits that make up a chunk of that Canada Post profit number, it's not all from postal operations. And just because they are profitable doesn't mean they shouldn't try to me MORE profitable. We are happy to have the LCBO make money for Ontario, but somehow Canada Post shouldn't make money for Canada?
The LCBO is a monopoly that makes too much money (and we pay for it).

In theory, government services should be efficient, without much profit, if any at all, save and except for reserve funds for maintenance, etc.
 

DanJ

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Would be easy enough for Purolator,...private company that was bought by Canada Post.

Don't what the reasoning was behind the purchase,...but one could only hope it was to keep the civil servants in check,...one can dream.

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It would be no easier for Purolator. They operate independently of the post office, just like the other courier companies do and have no where near the infrastructure to be able to handle that kind of volume (which is the same for UPS and Fedex, domestically speaking). As for why they bought Purolator, who can say. Gerry Schwarz lost his shirt on buying Purolator to begin with and sold them for a very small sum. It has worked out for them though, they have made their money back many many times over.
 

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They put my mom - a senior citizen with a cane - on the box system. Winters - she must wait for someone to pick it up for her as it is a trecherous hike from her home in an area without sidewalks.
What is weird is I still see senior citizens walk/crawl to their local bank branch in all kinds of weather to pay their utility bills and to update their passbook.

BTW: The sidewalks in Toronto are full of A-frames, trees, patios, etc. and add snow and ice to that mess during the cold months. It's an obstacle course.
 

Ceiling Cat

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Any politician that promises that door to door delivery of mail will stay is telling the public what they want to hear knowing that in time it will be reduced and eliminated. It is just a ploy to get votes. In the past, Canada was 20 years behind the times as compared to what was happening in the USA. Let us get with the times and make mail delivery efficient and stop feeding a dinosaur.
 

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It would be no easier for Purolator. They operate independently of the post office, just like the other courier companies do and have no where near the infrastructure to be able to handle that kind of volume (which is the same for UPS and Fedex, domestically speaking). As for why they bought Purolator, who can say. Gerry Schwarz lost his shirt on buying Purolator to begin with and sold them for a very small sum. It has worked out for them though, they have made their money back many many times over.
1st you say they would be clamoring to deliver mail,...now you say they can't,...???

Hell of a lot easier for the government to use a government entity than a completely private company.

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DanJ

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1st you say they would be clamoring to deliver mail,...now you say they can't,...???

Hell of a lot easier for the government to use a government entity than a completely private company.

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Nope, I said they aren't clamouring for it.
 
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