"Don't complain Mohammed, we've all been caricatured here."

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BeaverCleaver said:
I'm not a fan of organized religion of any kind, being a happy heathen myself. However, sitting as an offside observer here, it does seem to me that you'd never see anything this repugnant in a Christian reaction to something that might be considered offensive to that group.

For instance, take for example the regular ribbing Christianity gets on "South Park". Though Jesus is normally depicted as a hippy-dippy, peacenik resident of the town who happens to have his own community TV call-in show, he was seen in one episode to take up arms and head into Iraq one fine Christmas in order to free a captured Santa Claus from Muslim extremists. Apparently, when up against the wall, Jesus can go on a major killing spree with automatic weapons.

Also, Jesus's dad has been revealed on "South Park" to be a rather hideous, though benevolent, reptilian monstrosity (showing himself most reluctantly, by the way, after first warning mankind that they might not be able to handle such an unpleasant truth). Again, I'm sure this might be considered offensive by some Christians, however, the difference here is the reaction to it, or more precisely, the lack thereof.

You see, the vast majority of Christians, even if they considered these cartoon portrayals somewhat offensive, would more than likely just shrug it off. Many would undoubtedly get the joke and laugh along with the rest of us. Some might feel compelled to write a letter of protest to Nickelodeon, perhaps threatening to boycott the products of the advertisers. They might even silently pray for the souls of those who produced the show. But here's the big difference between modern-day Christians and Muslims: Not even one offended Christian would call for the imprisonment or the death of anyone connected with the making of the show. Sadly, more than just a few Muslims seem to be without humour and are too quick to condemn to death anybody who dares to show their beloved Mohammed or Allah in a less than favorable light. I guess only we Western infidels enjoy a little joke at our own expense. I'm just glad I live in a country where freedom of expression includes humour.
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Come on morons, this is your chance to bring up the Crusades or the Inquistion or some other attrocity commited in the name of G-d hundreds of years ago (calling MW - calling MW - MW report to TERBSVILLE immediately).
 
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langeweile said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg

You wanna spell hypocracy......try N-I-C-K B-E-R-G.

Those very same wackos that are up in arms about a harmless cartoon, are the very same ones that very eerily silent, when Nick Berg's video aired....or when those contractors got burned and hanged in Fallujah....you tell me which is worse?
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I think not. The vast majority of Muslims are undoubtedly horrified by the terrorists' tactics. These would include assassinations, beheadings, bombings etc. Colin Powell was critical that Arabs were "too quiet" over the beheading of Nick Berg but that doesn't mean that all Arabs were "eerily silent" as you are claiming:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml

..."The Islamic militant groups Hezbollah and Hamas issued strongly worded condemnations of the killing. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were the first Arab governments to criticize the murder after an initial silence throughout the region about the videotape."...

Again, you have to remember that no individual Arab in his right mind would dare to criticize these terrorists. And precious few Arab leaders would risk it either. There are a great many terrorists in the ME. Their suicide bombers and car bombers, routinely kill dozens of innocent Arabs who just happen to be in the vicinity of the intended targets. Moderate Arabs never condemn the terrorists for killing even these innocent Arabs because they don't want to get killed. They don't want their families or co-workers killed either. It is easy for you and for Colin Powell to bitch about how few will speak up when these atrocities occur. But you're both living safely in N. America. If you are living in a shooting gallery, are you going to stand up and draw attention to yourself. I didn't think so.
 
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slowpoke said:
I think not. The vast majority of Muslims are undoubtedly horrified by the terrorists' tactics. These would include assassinations, beheadings, bombings etc. Colin Powell was critical that Arabs were "too quiet" over the beheading of Nick Berg but that doesn't mean that all Arabs were "eerily silent" as you are claiming:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml

..."The Islamic militant groups Hezbollah and Hamas issued strongly worded condemnations of the killing. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were the first Arab governments to criticize the murder after an initial silence throughout the region about the videotape."...

Again, you have to remember that no individual Arab in his right mind would dare to criticize these terrorists. And precious few Arab leaders would risk it either. There are a great many terrorists in the ME. Their suicide bombers and car bombers, routinely kill dozens of innocent Arabs who just happen to be in the vicinity of the intended targets. Moderate Arabs never condemn the terrorists for killing even these innocent Arabs because they don't want to get killed. They don't want their families or co-workers killed either. It is easy for you and for Colin Powell to bitch about how few will speak up when these atrocities occur. But you're both living safely in N. America. If you are living in a shooting gallery, are you going to stand up and draw attention to yourself. I didn't think so.
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Brilliantly crafted piece of apologista bullshit, slowpoke! Glad to see you are firmly ensconsed in excusing terrorist atrocities. Wow you wax like a moderate Muslim does.

Lange, is bang on about Muslim(moderate or radical) hipocracy: We the Muslim people issue feeble statements of "condemnation of terrorism". We the Muslim people issue feeble "pleas" for release of hostages". We the Muslim people issue feeble "fatwas" for peace. We the Muslim people do not take any concrete actions to back up our condemnations, pleas, or fatwas concerning alleviating terrorist atrocites committed by muslims.

However, we Muslims(moderate or radical) go absolutely ballistic if we feel insulted and humiliated by cartoons. We will threaten you, bully you, brutalize you, lop off your heads, suicide-bombs your infidel asses and plan for more 9/11's in Europe.

Lange, you are right. The silence of the Muslim masses regarding Nick Berg and all the other beheading atrocites committed by their fellow Muslim bros, and every other terrorist atrocity committed echoes volumes as to their beliefs.

Where are all the demonstrations, the outrages, the vehemence of outrage for Jill Carroll?
 
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new year's resolution

With utterly unprincipled scumbags like Rupert Murdoch in charge of our "news," we know nothing whatsoever about that transpires in the Arab world, much less what people praise or condemn. We should govern purselves accordingly.

Fat chance. When the President himself makes it plain that his idiotic, close-minded prejudices are all the info he needs to run the country, that hardly sets an example for even dimmer lights like lange, papa, & roger.

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maxweber said:
With utterly unprincipled scumbags like Rupert Murdoch in charge of our "news," we know nothing whatsoever about that transpires in the Arab world, much less what people praise or condemn. We should govern purselves accordingly.

Fat chance. When the President himself makes it plain that his idiotic, close-minded prejudices are all the info he needs to run the country, that hardly sets an example for even dimmer lights like lange, papa, & roger.

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Brilliantly expersso-ed piece of caffe latte sipping, expensive cheese-eating, Muslim atrocities pandering.
 
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slowpoke said:
I think not. The vast majority of Muslims are undoubtedly horrified by the terrorists' tactics. These would include assassinations, beheadings, bombings etc. Colin Powell was critical that Arabs were "too quiet" over the beheading of Nick Berg but that doesn't mean that all Arabs were "eerily silent" as you are claiming:
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I think your wrong here Slowpoke. Any time I have listened to Moderate Muslims, I do hear them say that attacking innocents is not Islamic but in the same breath they always say they do however understand the Radicals position. This wishy washy position in my mind just gives credibility to the Radical cause in Islam and excuses it.

To date only the Spanish Muslim clerics have denounced terrorism. Even after the subway bombings in Britain, the largest Muslim group there denounced the attack but suggested it was British Government policies that was root cause of the terrorism not radical Muslim thought and preaching.

This kind of radicalism and violence is not breed in a vacuum and I suggest to you that many so-called Moderates are quietly urging it on. Keep in mind that the radicals are receiving enormous amounts of funds to carry on their various activities. I'm willing to bet that more than 80% of that money comes from the so-called moderates.
 
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maxweber said:
With utterly unprincipled scumbags like Rupert Murdoch in charge of our "news," we know nothing whatsoever about that transpires in the Arab world, much less what people praise or condemn. We should govern purselves accordingly.

Fat chance. When the President himself makes it plain that his idiotic, close-minded prejudices are all the info he needs to run the country, that hardly sets an example for even dimmer lights like lange, papa, & roger.

MW
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ahhhhh gee max I didn't think ya even cared
 
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They do study don't they

See the following list for a complete rundown of all the major scientific , medical and life enhancing inventions to come out of the muslim world in the last 800 years.


OK if you missed it I'll repeat it once again.


So weber, don't call people from the west dim lights. Take your leftist apoligist views and try living there. At least in Iran you could be safe from the horrible Christian right and those terrible Republicans.

If the Middle East was to evaporate tomorrow the only things we would miss would be oil and the noise.

Go ahead take a shot, I'm sure most normal people would share my view. So you and TOV can meet at the local union hall and draft a clever response us infidels won't ask Rupert M to have you cleansed. Just yet.
 
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langeweile said:
God or Mohammed are not bad....churches and people are.
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Smartest statement in the whole thread.

God or Mohammed do not make people carry out violent acts of terrorism. It is the hateful, self centered ass holes that are giving the fatwas or giving sermons to illiterate misguided youth.

How can a leader like Yasser Arafat have a net worth of a billion dollars? He had misguided his peoples for decades, ruining lives and families wherever he went. Don't you think his only motive was the almighty dollar?
 
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LancsLad said:
See the following list for a complete rundown of all the major scientific , medical and life enhancing inventions to come out of the muslim world in the last 800 years.


OK if you missed it I'll repeat it once again.


So weber, don't call people from the west dim lights.
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If that's your list of Islamic contributions to civilizations, you're far too ignorant to bother with. There's a brisk competition for the single dumbest, most ignorant statement on this list, but this is a pretty good candidate. Please go to a library immediately. Or go fuck yourself, perhaps better still.

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maxweber said:
If that's your list of Islamic contributions to civilizations, you're far too ignorant to bother with. There's a brisk competition for the single dumbest, most ignorant statement on this list, but this is a pretty good candidate. Please go to a library immediately. Or go fuck yourself, perhaps better still.

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Ok

Where is your list?
 
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Weber. You seem about as mature as TOVisitor. Your ability to compose a sentence without resorting to profanity fairly rivals your grasp of reality.

As Papa said, think carefully now , in the last 800 years what have they done. Go ahead take your time.
 
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The Mugger said:
I think your wrong here Slowpoke. Any time I have listened to Moderate Muslims, I do hear them say that attacking innocents is not Islamic but in the same breath they always say they do however understand the Radicals position. This wishy washy position in my mind just gives credibility to the Radical cause in Islam and excuses it.

To date only the Spanish Muslim clerics have denounced terrorism. Even after the subway bombings in Britain, the largest Muslim group there denounced the attack but suggested it was British Government policies that was root cause of the terrorism not radical Muslim thought and preaching.

This kind of radicalism and violence is not breed in a vacuum and I suggest to you that many so-called Moderates are quietly urging it on. Keep in mind that the radicals are receiving enormous amounts of funds to carry on their various activities. I'm willing to bet that more than 80% of that money comes from the so-called moderates.
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I have occasionally heard moderates condemning these atrocities as non Islamic. But I can't recall these clerics saying anything that would excuse or explain the terrorists' behaviour. But then I doubt that I've heard all the voices out there. The coverage given to moderate, mainstream Muslims is so sparse, we in Canada probably have no clue about how widespread or vehement their condemnations are. In the ME, people wisely refrain from criticizing terrorists because it IS dangerous to do that over there.

In North America, moderate Muslims are largely ignored so we would be the last to know what they are saying. Do you honesty believe that, in the hours following a beheading in the ME, our press is giving much thought to mainstream moderate Muslims living here in TO? Hardly! They're too busy tracking down the gory details. If a moderate here in Canada condemned these atrocities, he'd probably do it during religious services in a mosque. We would be the last to know.
 
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maxweber said:
If that's your list of Islamic contributions to civilizations, you're far too ignorant to bother with. There's a brisk competition for the single dumbest, most ignorant statement on this list, but this is a pretty good candidate. Please go to a library immediately. Or go fuck yourself, perhaps better still.

MW
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Please note, he said last 800 years.
 
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read them and let me know!!!!! - test on monday - worth 30% of your final grade!!!
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Let me know wha was there:p
 
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