Does anyone understand calorie deficit?

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Forget about calories. Think only nutrition. 100 calories of junk and 1000 calories of nutrient rich food are NOT the same.
 

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That is exactly how it reads. Hormonally is the only way weight works. It dictates everything from childhood and beyond. That is what you said. “And it is virtually impossible to "out-willpower" your hormones. “. Your words exactly.

But whatever - I'm not getting into a back and forth with you. Especially when you go back and a few more paragraphs to your original post trying to make it appear different then what it was. I will not be taking your advice and I'm fine with that. Have a good night.
You are now glossing over your clear error in saying that because I have ruled out two popular methods of weight loss, that I have said that nothing works, I said nothing of the kind.
 

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I haven't read every single response and if I'm repeating, then I apologize.

Think of your intake in these terms: if it walks, swims, flies or grows, then you can eat it. Anything man made - avoid.

Not all calories are the same. Stick to organic foods. You don't have to count calories. Stop consuming processed sugar or wheat products, and you will have a chance to change.
 
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Jenisis: I also have NOT made my original post appear different than it was. Please show me where I said in my original post that nothing works?

You seem to have no problem with engaging in a lot of back and forths until you can't back up your statements/logic.

It is the linguistic equivalent of stomping away when an argument goes against you.
 

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I haven't read every single response and if I'm repeating, then I apologize.

Think of your intake in these terms: if it walks, swims, flies or grows, then you can eat it. Anything man made - avoid.

Not all calories are the same. Stick to organic foods. You don't have to count calories. Stop consuming processed sugar or wheat products, and you may have a chance.
Yes, yes yes, I believe you are on the right path.
 

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That is exactly how it reads. Hormonally is the only way weight works. It dictates everything from childhood and beyond. That is what you said. “And it is virtually impossible to "out-willpower" your hormones. “. Your words exactly.

But whatever - I'm not getting into a back and forth with you. Especially when you go back and a few more paragraphs to your original post trying to make it appear different then what it was. I will not be taking your advice and I'm fine with that. Have a good night. You can have the last word if you need it, my will power will simply ignore you going forward.
CORRECT regarding hormones. You can't out willpower them. That is EXACTLY what I said, and your quotation was EXACTLY correct.

But, AGAIN, you make the exact same mistake as you made previously. Did I say that willpower is the ONLY method of controlling/changing hormones?

Did I say that, yes or no?
 

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I haven't read every single response and if I'm repeating, then I apologize.

Think of your intake in these terms: if it walks, swims, flies or grows, then you can eat it. Anything man made - avoid.

Not all calories are the same. Stick to organic foods. You don't have to count calories. Stop consuming processed sugar or wheat products, and you will have a chance to change.
I already don't eat wheat. No bread, pasta, rice. I don’t eat sugars for the most part. I don’t use white sugar in anything like my coffee for example and if I do eat something processed like jello for example, it is sugar free.

While I agree that staying away from processed foods is best, I’m not convinced that calories in vrs calories out does not play a factor. It just logically doesn't make sense.

You can eat all organic food and if you eat too much of it compared to what you naturally burn, you will gain weight. There is no getting around that.

Thank you for your input though. Appreciate it.
 

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I already don't eat wheat. No bread, pasta, rice. I don’t eat sugars for the most part. I don’t use white sugar in anything like my coffee for example and if I do eat something processed like jello for example, it is sugar free.

While I agree that staying away from processed foods is best, I’m not convinced that calories in vrs calories out does not play a factor. It just logically doesn't make sense.

You can eat all organic food and if you eat too much of it compared to what you naturally burn, you will gain weight. There is no getting around that.

Thank you for your input though. Appreciate it.
I stick to the same diet and can tell you that it works for me. When I get hungry, I eat meat, vegetables or nuts. No one ever got fat off eating steak and carrots. Keep in mind, it takes weeks/months before a body changes. Stick to it and you'll see change eventually.
 
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Forget about calories. Think only nutrition. 100 calories of junk and 1000 calories of nutrient rich food are NOT the same.
Man, y'all need to take a thermodynamics class.


1. The only way to lose weight is through a calorie deficit. That deficit can come through food or through exercise, however food is more calorie rich than you think, and exercise doesn't burn as many calories as you think.

2. It is MORE DIFFICULT to be in calorie deficit if you eat 1000 calories of junk vs 1000 calories of vegetables. You will feel hungrier and shittier, but if you maintain the same calorie deficit, you will still lose weight at exactly the same rate.

3. "Starvation mode" is kinda bullshit. Yes, over time a low calorie diet will decrease your metabolic rate, but that's WAY down the line. 1.5 million Cambodians did not go into Starvation Mode when the Khmer Rouge fed them 600 calories a day. They got LA skinny until they died.
 

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There's also variables, I find.

Some women will have a strict diet during the day, then drink 2 bottles of wine in the evening as if it's a 0 calorie drink. Then they wonder where extra calories come from and why they aren't losing weight.

If asked "what did you eat during your wine bender", they won't remember lol
 

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A lot of bullshit being posted here. It's CICO. It's unfortunate the fitness and nutrition industries are so full of misinformation.
In your plan is in there any consideration to macronutrient percentages? Or is a calorie a calorie?

The thread starter has mentioned she has some medical conditions. I wondering if perhaps she is on some medications that might hindering her progress. She's also talked

Bodybuilders are the original biohackers, especially the old school ones, so I have learned to respect their input greatly.

She's mentioning working out on her elliptical but unless I'm missing something I haven't read anything about resistance training...Personally I'd rather superset weights for 20 or 30 mins than do stationary cardio. Thoughts?
 

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Many people think they can do this on their own rather than seek professional help. It's obvious OP is making crucial mistakes in the process and can't understand why she isn't losing weight. Now she wants to be reaffirmed by this community that she isn't wrong.

Long story short: if you're failing at achieving your goal, hire a professional who will help you get there.
 

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A lot of bullshit being posted here. It's CICO. It's unfortunate the fitness and nutrition industries are so full of misinformation.
Thank you. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading some of this.

Does natural eating help - yes
Are CICO able to be calculated exactly - no

but is the principle of CICO a proven scientific fact - yes. And by calculating as best you can, you can measure a bit better to assist you more. It is not rocket science. I was just calculating wrong when factoring, restricted calorie diet and exercise at the same time.
In your plan is in there any consideration to macronutrient percentages? Or is a calorie a calorie?

The thread starter has mentioned she has some medical conditions. I wondering if perhaps she is on some medications that might hindering her progress. She's also talked

Bodybuilders are the original biohackers, especially the old school ones, so I have learned to respect their input greatly.

She's mentioning working out on her elliptical but unless I'm missing something I haven't read anything about resistance training...Personally I'd rather superset weights for 20 or 30 mins than do stationary cardio. Thoughts?
The training will start November 1st. It’s coming. But that is mainly for muscle toning then weight lose. For my goal anyways. Which will make the numbers on the Scalia little different which is why I don't want to be scale dependent.

I break down my macros as well.

Also, I do 90 minutes of cardio for the endurance training as well as weight loss. Just putting that out there. I purposely maintain a certain heart rate for the duration. Which is about 150 bpm. And if I am being honest, I like it. I mean I don’t like it but I like it if that makes sense.

It wasn’t that I didn’t see results. I did last year when working out but about half way through I hit a wall and it was a struggle. I dropped to 20% of what I was losing monthly. I figured out I wasn’t eating enough last year when I did this. That is what I was trying to avoid. Squeezer helped me figure that out on Page 1. The rest of this thread has gone off the rails to my original question. I didn’t ask how to lose weight, I asked about calorie deficit with diet AND exercise. I did a calorie deficit and then worked out, not accounting for that deficit as well and just didn’t bring in enough of a calorie intake. It was like I was doubling up on the deficit. Great at first but not at the end and not really healthy either. So this winter, I want to do better and make it more even in my weight loss across the whole winter

In the summer I will take some of the suggestions to find my maintenance weight calories as that is where I struggled and pay more attention to the macros as I think that failed me as well in the summer.
 
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Many people think they can do this on their own rather than seek professional help. It's obvious OP is making crucial mistakes in the process and can't understand why she isn't losing weight. Now she wants to be reaffirmed by this community that she isn't wrong.

Long story short: if you're failing at achieving your goal, hire a professional who will help you get there.
Again, I didn't fail. I lost the weight I wanted last winter. I didn't lose it how I wanted. I want to change that this winter. I will lose again this winter as well. I'm not worried about that.

Hopefully in the summer I will do better with maintenance, if not I will lose again next winter. I'm fine with that as well.

I don't know where you read that I said I failed. I never once said that. I wouldn’t have because I didn’t.
 
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OP, you admit that you don't really understand how nutrition and weight loss works. Relying on a smart watch and advice from this board isn't the best way to go about it.

If you truly wish to understand how your body works, you need help from certified professionals (people with university degrees, not YouTube trained) who can read your blood works and test you gut flora. They'll advise you on best nutrition for YOU, beat way to excercise, things to avoid etc.

If you insist on doing it yourself, good luck.
 

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OP, you admit that you don't really understand how nutrition and weight loss works. Relying on a smart watch and advice from this board isn't the best way to go about it.

If you truly wish to understand how your body works, you need help from certified professionals (people with university degrees, not YouTube trained) who can read your blood works and test you gut flora. They'll advise you on best nutrition for YOU, beat way to excercise, things to avoid etc.

If you insist on doing it yourself, good luck.
Ok. I’m good. Thanks. I had one question. I got the answer. I don’t need to book a PT and dietician/nutritionist for that. LOL.

For the last time, I never said I rely on a smart watch. I use it as a guide only. I know it is not exact. I don’t rely on the nutrient labels. I use them as a guide. A baseline.
And as I get older - Shit is going to change repeatedly. From perimenopausal to menopausal to other medical issues, it is always going to be changing. I'm going to have to continue to adjust and I’m fine with that.

Trial and error is good for me from year to year. I’m not looking for perfection. You are taking this way more seriously then I am and it is my body. LOL.

I’m good. I got my answer to my simple question.
 
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Ok. I’m good. Thanks. I had one question. I got the answer. I don’t need to book a PT and dietician/nutritionist for that. LOL.

For the last time, I never said I rely on a smart watch. I use it as a guide only. I know it is not exact. I don’t rely on the nutrient labels. I use them as a guide. A baseline.
And as I get older - Shit is going to change repeatedly. From perimenopausal to menopausal to other medical issues, it is always going to be changing. I'm going to have to continue to adjust and I’m fine with that.

Trial and error is good for me from year to year. I’m not looking for perfection. You are taking this way more seriously then I am and it is my body. LOL.

I’m good. I got my answer to my simple question.
You just need a pep talk
 

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Which health app are you using. Any good free ones. I am an amatuer when it comes to nutrition, health and going to the gym
MyFitnessPal

has a free or paid premium option but you should be good with just free.
 
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