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Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

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Your doctors and your ministry of health, and all those fucking reporters are controlled by Hamas. They very successfully elevated a parking lot dumpster fire to a massacre, which is a great success of their propaganda without a doubt. But other than that there is not much to talk about.
Based on the size of the explosion, it is quite likely that the unburnt propellent in the rocket caused a fire that killed many.
 

toguy5252

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Those intel services have been known to lie especially about middle east affairs. They were also the ones who told us there were WMDs in Iraq and invaded an entire nation to take out Saddam. So I see no reason to consider them trustworthy. While Israel's demonstrated behaviour in Gaza seems to indicate the opposite. I wouldn't put this beyond Israel or Hamas for that matter. Which is why am considering it "unclear".
so the us, French. Uk and most other western intelligence agencies are unanimous in their assessments but that is not god enough for you because Hamas with no evidence at all sat it was Israel.
 

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Your doctors and your ministry of health, and all those fucking reporters are controlled by Hamas. They very successfully elevated a parking lot dumpster fire to a massacre, which is a great success of their propaganda without a doubt. But other than that there is not much to talk about.
Right, you and every Israeli support thinks everyone in Gaza is Hamas and you're going to kill them all.
We know.

Don't forget, they'll grow up to be Hamas now too, so you have to kill 1 million kids.
 

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I am saying we don't know who did it. The pro-Israel western powers could just be lying. So could the Hamas. This sort of attack isn't beyond Israel or Hamas. This is one of those things where you'd just have to be satisfied with, "Not sure who did it, but many people died".
one of the more absurd attempt to shift blame for this terrible tragedy. To even create doubt when there is none is to excuse this atrocity which Hamas has used to fan the flames of hate against Jews worldwide.
 
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I support taking out Hamas, wherever they may be. You support kowtowing to Hamas.
No. You support whoever Israel kills if they say 'terrorist' afterwards.
So Israel kills 2000 children, you're there backing them.
Kill 1,000 women, you got their back.
Bomb a hospital, you're there.

No matter what they do, you'll go along now.

Enjoy the genocide.

 
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Sure they do. This was what they said before the Israeli video, audio, reports came out.
deal with it Frank. They are and do. It’s also why most civilized societies are supporting Israel. The people you clearly support are barbaric. You can’t grasp many differences. From one side giving warnings and one side not. To one side flat out murdering innocents intentionally and one side more often than not, not. To one wearing wearing body cams while they rape and torture commit indignities on human bodies, murder innocents, including young children, so they can jerk off to the recording once home.

Your head is so deeply in the sand and drinking their Koolaid you’ve had be shown repeatedly it most likely wasn’t Israel that hit the hospital, but Hamas or IJ. Not only is every credible intelligence service saying that. Your own eyes should be able to compute just how small the explosive charge was….but nope, not you..A blast area that’s obviously been sanitized and swept clean… nope, not you…Upto and including Doctors who have been up all night, saving lives, looking like they just walked out from a Spa to a staged photo op.

You’ve ignored the actual history, all the broken peace agreements and by whom/how and why. Right up to and including it was the UN who you love so much, that divided the land. And that one too, not lasting one day.

War sucks Frank. Innocent people die in them. Always have, always will. Civilized societies have learned its best not to start them.
 
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Your head is so deeply in the sand and drinking their Koolaid you’ve had be shown repeatedly it most likely wasn’t Israel that hit the hospital, but Hamas or IJ. Not only is every credible intelligence service saying that. Your own eyes should be able to compute just how small the explosive charge was….but nope, not you..Upto and including Doctors who have been up all night, saving lives, looking like they just walked out from a Spa to staged photo op.
As a cock-sure non Koolaid drinker, can you please clarify which of the three missile strikes on that hospital that week you have irrefutable evidence for being from Hamas? Do you have credible intelligence that the first two missle strikes were also "misfires" or were those classic IDF roof knocks followed by the third payload ? Or did the IDF roof knock them, then forget to follow up, but luckily hamas had a misfire to help out the IDF?
 
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As a cock-sure non Koolaid drinker, can you please clarify which of the three missile strikes on that hospital that week you have irrefutable evidence for being from Hamas? Do you have credible intelligence that the first two missle strikes were also "misfires" or were those classic IDF roof knocks followed by the third payload ? Or did the IDF roof knock them, then forget to follow up, but luckily hamas had a misfire to help out the IDF?
Hamas took upon itself to investigate it. They haven’t allowed anyone else onto the site. As a result they claimed that munition disappeared. No shrapnel or anything. Onus was on them and they haven’t delivered any proof. Case of a dumpster fire in a parking lot is now closed.
 

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As a cock-sure non Koolaid drinker, can you please clarify which of the three missile strikes on that hospital that week you have irrefutable evidence for being from Hamas? Do you have credible intelligence that the first two missle strikes were also "misfires" or were those classic IDF roof knocks followed by the third payload ? Or did the IDF roof knock them, then forget to follow up, but luckily hamas had a misfire to help out the IDF?
So you have problems with English?
Which part of “most likely not Israel” are you struggling with.

Which part of not finding any fragments are you struggling with? Anyone with part of a functioning brain knows, such things survive, and if there were any, Hamas would have A) made finding them a priority and B) paraded them to the world…..
 
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Frankfooter

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Hamas took upon itself to investigate it. They haven’t allowed anyone else onto the site. As a result they claimed that munition disappeared. No shrapnel or anything. Onus was on them and they haven’t delivered any proof. Case of a dumpster fire in a parking lot is now closed.
Hamas hasn't let anyone investigate?
They live in a death camp, Israel won't let anyone in.
No food, no water, no power.

Its a fucking death camp.


 

toguy5252

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Your partisan support for Israel does not mean there is no doubt, or that everyone is ready to buy what the western powers are selling. Israel bombs hospitals and civilian buildings everyday, so why is this any different? Today 500 people died. So did that many people in this hospital attack. So do you really think it is beyond Israel to do this? Again Hamas is also quite capable of doing this, so I have taken a balanced position of, "Well not sure who did it".
I am a partisan but your false logic and attempt to create doubt where none exists and then continue to quote or rely upon non-existent doubt was the same strategy used to promote the big lie in the US.

denying facts is assuming that thUS, French and British intelligence agencies may be lying is not balance. It is attempting to excuse Hamas atrocities and propaganda lies.
 

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I am a partisan but your false logic and attempt to create doubt where none exists and then continue to quote or rely upon non-existent doubt was the same strategy used to promote the big lie in the US.

denying facts is assuming that thUS, French and British intelligence agencies may be lying is not balance. It is attempting to excuse Hamas atrocities and propaganda lies.
Or you could support genocide and claim that every single child of the 2420 that Israel has killed so far deserved to die.
Israel-Palestine war: Israel is caught lying time and again. And yet we never learn
 

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You don't know they are facts. You just say it is because the US said so.
and hamas said that israeli rocket disappeared without a trace leaving only 500 dead people (again, never confirmed or demonstrated) and not a shred of shrapnel. Just based on that can't we call bullshit?
 

PeteOsborne

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Hamas hasn't let anyone investigate?
They live in a death camp, Israel won't let anyone in.
No food, no water, no power.

Its a fucking death camp.


There are UN inspectors based in GAZA.
In an interview with CNN a UN inspector in GAZA said " The local authorities did not give me free access to the area or were very unhappy that I was trying to investigate something that had clearly gone wrong from their point of view.”
Marc Garlasco, the former defense intelligence analyst and UN war crimes investigator, says there are signs of a lack of evidence at the Al-Ahli Hospital site.
He was allowed in but had a "guided tour" the day after.
He then went on to say “When I investigate a site of a potential war crime the first thing I do is locate and identify parts of the weapon. The weapon tells you who did it and how. I’ve never seen such a lack of physical evidence for a weapon at a site. Ever. There’s always a piece of a bomb after the fact. In 20 years of investigating war crimes this is the first time I haven’t seen any weapon remnants. And I’ve worked three wars in Gaza.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/midd...nsic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast?cid=ios_app
 

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It still makes no sense.
No Palestinian rocket has ever made such an explosion or killed that many people.
Its way beyond their capabilities.

The Al Ahli Hospital also posted on FB the day before that they were hit twice by Israeli warning shells and doctors were injured.
Has one ever landed in a courtyard packed with, as reported, a thousand people?
I have read conflicting statements on this as well, that it was hit a week before with 2 warning bombs, then 2 days before, now 1 day.
If they were warning shots, why did they hit the hospital directly insted of the parking lot first then hit the main building?
 
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