Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

PeteOsborne

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What, so now your buddy thinks it was an artillery shell but it came from a totally different direction? Channel 4 also says they think it came from the north/northeast.

If Israel didn't do it why did they post faked video twice and faked audio once?

You're still discounting the multiple witness accounts that say the hospital was hit with two warning shots and the IDF warned them.

Really, it sounds pretty impossible to tell what happened accurately from the available video and audio itself. It just seems wiser to weigh the evidence against the patterns by both. Israel claims 30% of Palestinian rockets fail yet there is not much evidence that damage from this happens regularly. IDF aren't worth considering, since they have a history of false reports and have changed their story multiple times.

You weight this against the other 7 hospitals Israel has destroyed and the ones being threatened right now and its clear that Israel does target hospitals.

This might be worth a read
Where did i post anything about an artillery shell?
I have maintained that he says it hit travelling from the SW heading NE, the same direction as the blue arrow in your twitter post.
You are correct, I am discounting eyewitness reports for the fact that they vary too widely from the evidence in the related pictures and from each other.
One says there were two explosions, one said there was no warning, just a big boom, the other says you could hear the scream coming in.
What happened before this or after is irrelevant to this one situation, just because Israel hit hospitals before doesn't prove they hit this one.
There have been instances were Hamas and the Islamic Jihad have hit medical centers and ambulances before this, does that prove they hit this one?
Niether has any beairng on this event.
I and ny friend are making our decisions from the pictures we are seeing, he has more experience with bombed areas, that is why I asked for his input and it would seem his former associates came to the same conclusion.
I stopped at his place Friday night to pick up some tools I had loaned him and he gave me a good demonstration of how that crater in the picture was formed.
He took a 5 gallon pail filled 3/4 of full with kitty litter.
He threw a pool ball into it while sitting level and the kitty litter spread evenly around the pail.
He put the pail on a 45 degree angle and threw the cue ball in and the kitty litter landed close to his feet but no where else.
You could tell by the back splatter of kittylitter the direction the ball had come from.
He went so far as to say he believes the missile was fired from the grassy area behind a Mosque about 450 metres from the hospital.
There is evidence of previous missile launches from there on google maps, it is directly sw of the hospital.
 
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I am a “never say never” person. So can’t discount any possibility. But I do play the odds and percentages.

Something else I’ve noticed. Maybe it’s something, maybe it’s nothing. I noticed it when I first read this article. The entire area for lack of better words seems “sanitized”…especially if “500” people were killed by the shock wave, or debris…I also noticed that blue can. In one picture, but none others.

When I see the crater, and lack of “area of effect”….I think, just how small was the explosive device….? Back packs filled with explosives, pressure cookers…do as much. Throw litter and debree, all around…Not saying it’s a back pack…but just how small was the explosive charge. And the area looks to me like it’s been swept.
Yes, I mentioned earlier that the site seemed to have been parially cleaned up.
My buddy says about 5 kg which seems to be about what the French and US investigations revealed yesterday.
 
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Did I see Frank say he will wait for a third party independent investigation? When from the very beginning he has been blaming Israel and sharing pro Palestinian/Hamas tweets?
Yes, I mentioned earlier that the site seemed to have been parially cleaned up.
My buddy says about 5 kg which seems to be about what the French and US investigations revealed yesterday.
So, about the size of an RPG fired into the ground?
 

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Bullshit. |No Israeli supporter supports attacking civilian hospitals. Israel doesn't target civilians, Hamas does.
Sure they do. This was what they said before the Israeli video, audio, reports came out.

I already said targeting a hospital is not terrorism because Hamas hides in them. So I won't just not denounce it, I will say it is the right thing to do and I trust the IDF's judgement.
I look at it not necessarily as a war crime. It is simply war. Bad shit happens to innocent people during wars. And stuff like this has been going on for thousands of years and has been used hundreds of times.



It's a modern day version of a siege. Surround and isolate the city. Cut the city off from the rest of civilization. It's an old tactic.
Um. Not seeing war crimes here.

Varmin that need to be exterminated. Period.
 

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Yes, I mentioned earlier that the site seemed to have been parially cleaned up.
My buddy says about 5 kg which seems to be about what the French and US investigations revealed yesterday.
It still makes no sense.
No Palestinian rocket has ever made such an explosion or killed that many people.
Its way beyond their capabilities.

The Al Ahli Hospital also posted on FB the day before that they were hit twice by Israeli warning shells and doctors were injured.
 

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Hamas does hide in civilian buildings and those buildings are fair game of course. When it comes to this particular attack, it is still unclear who did it.
who is it unclear to other than the Jew haters and I am sure that even they know it was not Israel although of course they could never admit it because it puts the lie to their entire narrative.
 

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who is it unclear to other than the Jew haters and I am sure that even they know it was not Israel although of course they could never admit it because it puts the lie to their entire narrative.
The racists who did this are clearly capable of bombing a hospital.











 

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who is it unclear to other than the Jew haters and I am sure that even they know it was not Israel although of course they could never admit it because it puts the lie to their entire narrative.
The Jew haters are just trolling, after many countries have confirmed that the damage to the hospital parking lot was a hamas rocket, even the slowest of the Jew haters gets it. Don't feed the trolls.
 
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It still makes no sense.
No Palestinian rocket has ever made such an explosion or killed that many people.
Its way beyond their capabilities.

The Al Ahli Hospital also posted on FB the day before that they were hit twice by Israeli warning shells and doctors were injured.
Your doctors and your ministry of health, and all those fucking reporters are controlled by Hamas. They very successfully elevated a parking lot dumpster fire to a massacre, which is a great success of their propaganda without a doubt. But other than that there is not much to talk about.
 

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I have not seen concrete evidence as to who is behind this particular attack other than conflicting reports on both sides. I also dont think looking at pictures of craters etc says that much at all given none of us are experts in this field anyway.
listen to the intelligence services of the U.S., France and most countries other than Russia and it client states etc. they reached conclusion based upon their own intelligence
 
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