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Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

Anbarandy

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More and more looks like a dumpster fire in a parking lot.
Or a Hamas/Islamic Jihad's faulty, homemade miniature version of the wildly, scattershot Scud Dud rocket.
 
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Have you ever seen evidence of an explosion like this from a Palestinian rocket before?
Honestly when I first saw the pictures I thought a car bomb under the front of the car that had been flipped.
That one and the one next to it are the only cars showing damge other than being burnt.
The damage to the area looks more like a huge molotov cocktail was dropped in the parking lot.
Air burst would have delimbed the tress, taken out the solar panels on the roof and had a wider blast pattern from the pictures I have seen of small yield JDAM sites.
But the video of the impact sounded like a JDAM and it looked like it hit the ground which is what is so confusing.
Put this along with the lack of bomb shards being displayed by Hamas makes it even more confusing.
If it was a JDAM there would be portions of the carrier somewhere in the blast that would be easily identifiable as seen in Russia and Ukraine.
Hamas would be posting these pictures as proof all over social media, but they aren't.
Russia was posting pictures of the ATACMS carrier mere hours after the airfield attack.
The picture below is from a Hamas Qassam rocket attack and the impact point is just in front of the guy with the white shorts.
As you can see, there is lots of shrapnel and explosion damage but not much fire damage just to the two cars across the street.
This one would have been out of fuel when it landed in Tel Aviv.
The one that was allegedly launched by IJ was supposedly still climbing when it was said to have failed and we still don't know what type of rocket it was supposed to have been.

 

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And where are the photos of the 800 plus, no 500, no < insert made up outrage #s of dead from made up IDF strike on hospital >?

Haven't Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hamas Ministry of Health have time to stage photos signifying proof of this Israeli strike using Hamas/Islamic Jihad fuel-filled, faulty rockets dropping like molten lead from the skies onto the hospital parking lot.

Where is the Hamas/Islamic Jihan Terrorist Technical Standards Association, Faulty Rockets Dept.? Why don't they respond?
In the press conference with the doctors they are surrounded by bodies with sheets on them but no way of knowing if they were from the parking lot.
This also brings up the question about the pictures of the scene, there are no blood stains anywhere and no indication of burnt bodies either.
These pictures were said to have been taken just after daylight with the impact occuring at 7:00 pm the night before.
If they had worked all night to remove the 500 bodies, one would expect to see some remnants of their deaths.
 

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If I had to guess. Which we do. In particular order.
1) Hamas or IJ screw up
2) Hamas or IJ set up. Martyr or other
3! Small possibility of Israel being involved. very small

There is just no way.
Those cars survive, tress survive, so little debris etc with any kind of heavy ordinance. Never mind the lack of a crater. The shock wave alone would have….

The lack of any Hamas or Hamas supporters parading missile fragments or stabilizers.

The squeaky clean Doctors on the scene, despite 500 dead and survivors they tried to keep alive all night.. Nor are they showing any signs of shock or combat fatigue ( after affects of adrenaline and cortisone)
 
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I heard a high profile Imam on the radio this aft., don`t recall his name. He said Hamas has been firing rockets at Israel since `14...with a 40% failure rate, falling on their own territory. He thinks it fell on a munitions dump. Strategically placed in a hospital parking lot.
 

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Honestly when I first saw the pictures I thought a car bomb under the front of the car that had been flipped.
That one and the one next to it are the only cars showing damge other than being burnt.
The damage to the area looks more like a huge molotov cocktail was dropped in the parking lot.
Air burst would have delimbed the tress, taken out the solar panels on the roof and had a wider blast pattern from the pictures I have seen of small yield JDAM sites.
But the video of the impact sounded like a JDAM and it looked like it hit the ground which is what is so confusing.
Put this along with the lack of bomb shards being displayed by Hamas makes it even more confusing.
If it was a JDAM there would be portions of the carrier somewhere in the blast that would be easily identifiable as seen in Russia and Ukraine.
Hamas would be posting these pictures as proof all over social media, but they aren't.
Russia was posting pictures of the ATACMS carrier mere hours after the airfield attack.
The picture below is from a Hamas Qassam rocket attack and the impact point is just in front of the guy with the white shorts.
As you can see, there is lots of shrapnel and explosion damage but not much fire damage just to the two cars across the street.
This one would have been out of fuel when it landed in Tel Aviv.
The one that was allegedly launched by IJ was supposedly still climbing when it was said to have failed and we still don't know what type of rocket it was supposed to have been.

If it were a Palestinian misfire wouldn't it have had to hit the ground to blow? Then there would have to be a larger crater if that were the case.

 

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In the press conference with the doctors they are surrounded by bodies with sheets on them but no way of knowing if they were from the parking lot.
This also brings up the question about the pictures of the scene, there are no blood stains anywhere and no indication of burnt bodies either.
These pictures were said to have been taken just after daylight with the impact occuring at 7:00 pm the night before.
If they had worked all night to remove the 500 bodies, one would expect to see some remnants of their deaths.
There was separate testimony from a British doctor who volunteered and confirmed their accounts.
One would also expect doctors and hospitals to have a supply of clean sheets and gowns for working. They hadn't run out of power there just yet.

More footage (and editorial comments) here.
 

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If I had to guess. Which we do. In particular order.
1) Hamas or IJ screw up
2) Hamas or IJ set up. Martyr or other
3! Small possibility of Israel being involved. very small

There is just no way.
Those cars survive, tress survive, so little debris etc with any kind of heavy ordinance. Never mind the lack of a crater. The shock wave alone would have….

The lack of any Hamas or Hamas supporters parading missile fragments or stabilizers.

The squeaky clean Doctors on the scene, despite 500 dead and survivors they tried to keep alive all night.. Nor are they showing any signs of shock or combat fatigue ( after affects of adrenaline and cortisone)
Looks like an add on to the list, after JFK, OJ and 911.
 

Anbarandy

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In the press conference with the doctors they are surrounded by bodies with sheets on them but no way of knowing if they were from the parking lot.
This also brings up the question about the pictures of the scene, there are no blood stains anywhere and no indication of burnt bodies either.
These pictures were said to have been taken just after daylight with the impact occuring at 7:00 pm the night before.
If they had worked all night to remove the 500 bodies, one would expect to see some remnants of their deaths.
I know!

Their script, staging. directing, not to mention their plot lines and overall theme were not convincing at all. And don't get me going on their makeup and hairstyle departments.

5 raspberries out of 5
 

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If it were a Palestinian misfire wouldn't it have had to hit the ground to blow? Then there would have to be a larger crater if that were the case.

Thats the thing, if it were a rocket engine failed mid launch as described, the payload would maybe not have time to arm depending on the type of rocket.
The pictures I have seen of Qassam rockets strikes never really show a crater, more of a ground scuff as they only carry about 20 kg of explosives maximum, smaller charges if equipped with ball bearings for addded shrapnel effect.
But again we have no idea of they type of rocket or bomb used yet.
I was just reading a report done by Valeria Scuto, lead Middle East analyst at Sibylline, a risk assessment company where she thought maybe by the video she had seen, she suspected hellfire misiles shot from an IDF drone.
Once she saw the pictures of the impact site with the fire damage and lack of explosion damage she said that a hellfire was not used.
Thats is what is wierd about this, the video of the impact seems to be inconsient with the damage done.
 

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Israel claims they did not bomb the hospital and that HAMAs rockets somehow misfired ans hit it. I don't see this as very plausible. Does anyone know what kinds of rockets the HAMAs are using and the range etc ? It seems way to unlikely to hit a target with such mass causilities by accident to me.
A real quandry, you just don't know who NOT to believe...
 

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For sure. That is why I believe it is 1 or 2. Either intentional or accident. Hamas rocket accidentally hitting seems like a deflection at this point. I mean the rocket fell short and hit the exact location where there were a lot of people? Sounds like BS to me. So either Israel believed there were terrorists and hit the hospital (considering reports that they fired 2 warning shells), or they accidentally hit them.
That's what I'm thinking
 
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I heard a high profile Imam on the radio this aft., don`t recall his name. He said Hamas has been firing rockets at Israel since `14...with a 40% failure rate, falling on their own territory. He thinks it fell on a munitions dump. Strategically placed in a hospital parking lot.
I was wondering about a fuel dump. As far as munitions go, small arms ammo won’t cook off. It’s more like a squib and it all doesn’t go off at once.
 

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Thats the thing, if it were a rocket engine failed mid launch as described, the payload would maybe not have time to arm depending on the type of rocket.
The pictures I have seen of Qassam rockets strikes never really show a crater, more of a ground scuff as they only carry about 20 kg of explosives maximum, smaller charges if equipped with ball bearings for addded shrapnel effect.
But again we have no idea of they type of rocket or bomb used yet.
I was just reading a report done by Valeria Scuto, lead Middle East analyst at Sibylline, a risk assessment company where she thought maybe by the video she had seen, she suspected hellfire misiles shot from an IDF drone.
Once she saw the pictures of the impact site with the fire damage and lack of explosion damage she said that a hellfire was not used.
Thats is what is wierd about this, the video of the impact seems to be inconsient with the damage done.
But you have to take into consideration that the IDF has changed their story twice and both times its had holes in it.
BBC Channel 4 looked into it.

Channel 4 investigation highlights holes in Israeli narrative over hospital bombing

Experts have expressed doubt over the authenticity of an intercepted audio recording released by Israel, purporting to show two Hamas fighters putting the blame for the al-Ahli Baptist Hospital attack on the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
In an investigation into the bombing published by the UK’s Channel 4 News, the broadcaster said that two independent Arab journalists had deduced that the language used in the recording, as well as the accent, syntax and tone, led them to believe that the recording was not authentic.
While emphasising that independent verification of the circumstances of the bombing has been impossible, Channel 4 also highlighted that while the small size of the impact crater in the hospital courtyard would likely discount an air strike, it did not necessarily rule out another form of Israeli attack, such as an air-burst munition.
The investigation also pointed out the contradictory information put forward by the Israelis. For example, in the Israeli presentation on Wednesday morning, two different locations were given for the alleged Islamic Jihad rocket’s launch site.
 

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Israel claims they did not bomb the hospital and that HAMAs rockets somehow misfired ans hit it. I don't see this as very plausible. Does anyone know what kinds of rockets the HAMAs are using and the range etc ? It seems way to unlikely to hit a target with such mass causilities by accident to me.
Follow the money, who had to gain most out of this? Hamas. Hamas never cared of the Palestinians. They're notorious for using them a s human shields. They hid weapons in the schools the UN tried to help them with, they have tunnels under mosques and schools. No matter what the Jew haters will tell you Israel is responsible, even now the Americans have their own intelligence that proves Islamic Jihad did it. For them the innocent people that died are martyrs in the name of Allah.
 

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You thought there weren't enough threads about this? Considering you got banned a few months ago because of racist slurs like 'token Jews" , I'm not surprised you posted this. And no, I'm not saying this because I'm jewish , I'm just tired of all this hatred. Mods need to start closing lots of these threads.
I didn't know this, now I have a different outlook on dirtydaveiiis posts. Another hater.
 
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