Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

[Frankfooter]

This is the best thing that has happened to hamas so far

You are disgusting.

Almost 1,300 people still under the rubble of destroyed buildings

Here is more from a news conference held by the health ministry spokesperson:

• The continued attacks “constitute ethnic cleansing and a threat to the Palestinian existence”.
• Seventy percent of the victims of the Israeli aggression are children, women and the elderly.
• There are about 1,300 people still under the rubble, including 600 children.
• There are people still alive and stuck under the rubble of destroyed buildings “but the process of reaching them faces great difficulties due to continuous targeting”.

 

[Twister]

Israel claims they did not bomb the hospital and that HAMAs rockets somehow misfired ans hit it. I don't see this as very plausible. Does anyone know what kinds of rockets the HAMAs are using and the range etc ? It seems way to unlikely to hit a target with such mass causilities by accident to me.

You thought there weren't enough threads about this? Considering you got banned a few months ago because of racist slurs like 'token Jews" , I'm not surprised you posted this. And no, I'm not saying this because I'm jewish , I'm just tired of all this hatred. Mods need to start closing lots of these threads.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

The US votes against condemning the HAMAs attacks on civilians in the UN. THE Uk and Russia did not vote

 

[dirtydaveiii]

You thought there weren't enough threads about this? Considering you got banned a few months ago because of racist slurs like 'token Jews" , I'm not surprised you posted this. And no, I'm not saying this because I'm jewish , I'm just tired of all this hatred. Mods need to start closing lots of these threads.

How is questioning something hatred ? Are you OK?

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Get on with the news Dirty.. Besides it doesn't make sense to hit a hospital because of repercussions , but the story has been debunked. They have videos of the rocket falling and they have recording of hamas admitting they did it and giving each other shit for blowing up the hospital.

Where are these videos?

 

[Leimonis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714650910733877665

 

[richaceg]

I never seen that on the news just that Israel said they will show the evidence which supports their theory

Well have an open mind and think, is there a possibility that Hamas could h ave done this accidental or not? There is "bigly" possibility it could happen....It wouldn't make sense for Israel to issue a warning for civilians to evacuate and specifically target a hospital...there is no evidence the did it...people on the ground wouldn't know where the rocket came from...Hamas won't hesitate to execute anyone that won't tow their line...they are running this show and the show is heading to the ground at the expense of palestinians...

 

[richaceg]

How is questioning something hatred ? Are you OK?

So who do you think is much more capable of killing civilians? a known terrorist faction or the military who issued a warning before going in?

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714650910733877665

There is no way an Islamic Jihad or rocket could cause a fireball in the air as the videos show.
It was a US supplied JDAM in airburst mode.

The Israeli story has changed multiple times already.

Airburst JDAM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714643514464534703

Then look at this picture of the hospital aftermath.
The one spot that wasn't burnt was a car shaped spot that would only happen with a fireball from above.

 

[Leimonis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714663601451958585

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714663601451958585

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714596404818247924

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714663601451958585

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714395757380341926

 

[toguy5252]

I never seen that on the news just that Israel said they will show the evidence which supports their theory

it has been all over the news although perhaps not Al Jazeera.

they have now released communication intercepts in which Hamas acknowledges that it came from the cemetery behind the hospital.

hamas and people like klatuu and I am sure Frankie are using this tragedy to fan out he flames against Israel. They revel in death and it really doesn’t matter whose.

 

[Frankfooter]

it has been all over the news although perhaps not Al Jazeera.

they have now slo released communication intercepts in which Hamas acknowledges that it came from the cemetery behind the hospital.

hamas and people like Latium and I am sure Frankie are using this tragedy to fan out he flames against Israel. They revel in death and it really doesn’t matter whose.

Yeah, they had video but had to delete that after everyone noted it was the wrong dates.
This audio failed the test from people who actually speak Arabic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714596404818247924

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714635173776536057

 

[PeteOsborne]

Israel claims they did not bomb the hospital and that HAMAs rockets somehow misfired ans hit it. I don't see this as very plausible. Does anyone know what kinds of rockets the HAMAs are using and the range etc ? It seems way to unlikely to hit a target with such mass causilities by accident to me.

I don't believe it was Hamas and neither does Israel.
They are blaming it on the Islamic Jihad, a totally different group from Hamas.
When I first saw the Israeli evidence on the horrific event, at first look it seemed plausible.
As more evidence came out in the form of pictures, drone videos, webcams and mobilephone videos ETC., I started having doubts because of inconsistencies between the evidence I was seeing and the explanation by Israel and the accounts by Hamas.
If it was done by the Islamic Jihad and was a misfire, they didn't intentionally target it.
If it was done by Israel it would have been, in my research, a JDAM type of bomb and would have been intentionally targeted.
One thing I have noticed is the distinci JDAM sound just before impact on one of the cell phone videos.
Still looking into it.

 

[The Oracle]

it has been all over the news although perhaps not Al Jazeera.

they have now slo released communication intercepts in which Hamas acknowledges that it came from the cemetery behind the hospital.

hamas and people like Latium and I am sure Frankie are using this tragedy to fan out he flames against Israel. They revel in death and it really doesn’t matter whose.

What I don't get is I thought that President Biden was supposed to be trusted in these matters. Now he is supposedly lying?

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't believe it was Hamas and neither does Israel.
They are blaming it on the Islamic Jihad, a totally different group from Hamas.
When I first saw the Israeli evidence on the horrific event, at first look it seemed plausible.
As more evidence came out in the form of pictures, drone videos, webcams and mobilephone videos ETC., I started having doubts because of inconsistencies between the evidence I was seeing and the explanation by Israel and the accounts by Hamas.
If it was done by the Islamic Jihad and was a misfire, they didn't intentionally target it.
If it was done by Israel it would have been, in my research, a JDAM type of bomb and would have been intentionally targeted.
One thing I have noticed is the distinci JDAM sound just before impact on one of the cell phone videos.
Still looking into it.

Check the photo in post #29, that looks consistent with a JDAM airburst or something igniting in the air.
Palestinians don't have weapons that can do that.

 

[silentkisser]

I think it is important for everyone to remember there is a massive fog of war effect happening in this conflict. I don't know what really happened here. If could have been Israel, it could have been Hamas. Hamas would LOVE it to be Israel, so they can use it as propaganda to say the IDF is as bad as they are by killing civilians. And, it is very possible that a Hamas rocket fell well short of its mark.

Both sides have exaggerated the atrocities here (though, knowing there has been some exaggerating over what Hamas did still does not put them in a good light).

As I've said, this conflict is incredibly complex. Both sides HATE each other, and for good reason. Both sides have done terrible things. And while I think there was a chance of peace in the 90s....Hamas and what not have burned those bridges. David Frum had a good thread on Twitter about it:

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1713532897376756162?s=20

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1713533298381598879?s=20

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1713534049686364398?s=20

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1713534859656740877?s=20

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1713535279078719964?s=20

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1713539137809113236?s=20

 

[PeteOsborne]

Check the photo in post #29, that looks consistent with a JDAM airburst or something igniting in the air.
Palestinians don't have weapons that can do that.

Copy of my post on this to you in the Israel at war thread.
"It is sunlight, you can see the shadow of the guy with the backpack bent over."
Took me two seconds to figure it out.

 

[Anbarandy]

There is no way an Islamic Jihad or rocket could cause a fireball in the air as the videos show.
It was a US supplied JDAM in airburst mode.

The Israeli story has changed multiple times already.

Airburst JDAM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714643514464534703

Then look at this picture of the hospital aftermath.
The one spot that wasn't burnt was a car shaped spot that would only happen with a fireball from above.

Sure, sure.
It is utterly inconceivable that a combustible fuel filled Hamas rocket could malfunction in the air and burst into flames and then somehow, inconceivably crash to the earth or onto hospital property creating a small impact crater and burning vehicles on the ground with burst fragments pockmarking a single building.

I'm sure the technical standards of The Hamas Terrorist Technical Standards Association regarding missiles and rockets are not very stringent.