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Do you believe in any 9/11 conspiracy theories ?

Do you believe in any 9/11 conspiracy theories involving US government ?

  • Yes, I believe there's evidence

    Votes: 28 41.8%
  • No, that's ridiculous

    Votes: 36 53.7%
  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Total voters
    67
  • Poll closed .

sorely

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definately a conspiracy

There is little question but that a group of determined, capable and very lucky ( or unlucky depending on your point of view) Muslim fundamentalists, mainly from Saudi Arabia, conspired to bring havoc to the western world through a frightening series of commercial jet highjackings followed by suicide crashes into various buildings in New york and Washington D.C.

Their conspiracy seems quite clear from the published findings.
 

nerdnerd

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papasmerf said:
I believe you are overlooking the fact as to who commited this act.

Quit trying to deflect the blame
Yes, we know who did. We know who funded it.

We don't know who put them up to it.
Osama bin Laden? Doubtful to me.

9/11 == Star Wars == Spartacus.
(same plot. I hope, not the same ending)
 

papasmerf

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northern_tantra said:
Hate to be a nit-picker, but I believe you meant "vilifying" not "vitrifying". (Unless of course you are referring the the effects of a nuclear explosion, which tends to vitrify sand within the blast radius.)

Vitrify
verb: undergo vitrification; become glassy or glass-like
verb: change into glass or a glass-like substance by applying heat

Vilify
verb: spread negative information about
I did mean vitrify.
 

anomandar

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frasier said:
Popular Mechanics is a credible source and definately not biased. Just ignore the fact that Benjamin Chertoff (cousin of Homeland Security's Michael Chertoff) wrote the article. It's fine. Popular Mechanics is 100% unbiased and credible with the cousin of the Secretary of Home Land Security writing an article supporting the governments version.



http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm - Debunking Popular Mechanics.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html - And another.
 

northern_tantra

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anomandar said:
Popular Mechanics is a credible source and definately not biased. Just ignore the fact that Benjamin Chertoff (cousin of Homeland Security's Michael Chertoff) wrote the article. It's fine. Popular Mechanics is 100% unbiased and credible with the cousin of the Secretary of Home Land Security writing an article supporting the governments version.
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm - Debunking Popular Mechanics.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html - And another.
Well, if you can't make a counter-argument, you can always try and discredit the source!
 

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I don't know if the us government was involved in planning the attack, but I'm certain they knew about it. In fact, several intelligence agencies in other countries knew about it beforehand and warned the US. But, the US didn't do anything about those warnings. Why? I shudder to think about why.
 

anomandar

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northern_tantra said:
Well, if you can't make a counter-argument, you can always try and discredit the source!
All he did was post a link and make a comment.

My counter-argument are the 2 links i provided debunking his debunking.

Dont u find it interesting who the author of the Popular Mechanics article was?

Dont u also find it interesting who he is related to?

Do u think that it is relevant?
 

anomandar

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nathan_wong0 said:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=2&c=y

POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military

I don't believe in any of the 911 conspiracy theories..but I believe in gov't stupidity! The fact is OSBL is responsible for 911 end of story!
Did you ignore what i posted in regards to PM article?

In case u missed it....

Popular Mechanics is a credible source and definately not biased. Just ignore the fact that Benjamin Chertoff (cousin of Homeland Security's Michael Chertoff) wrote the article. It's fine. Popular Mechanics is 100% unbiased and credible with the cousin of the Secretary of Home Land Security writing an article supporting the governments version.



http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_me..._mechanics.htm - Debunking Popular Mechanics.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html - And another.
 

Gyaos

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Today is 9-11 and Pakistan is still at large. That's who attacked the world on 9-11, still harboring the terrorists that threaten everyone today.

Time to "go through" Pakistan. If Pakistan doesn't like it, tough shit. If they are an ally, then make that piss-ant country spread 'em!
 

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frasier

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nathan_wong0 said:
I don't believe in any of the 911 conspiracy theories..but I believe in gov't stupidity! The fact is OSBL is responsible for 911 end of story!

This is the best and most to the point comment on this whole issue.....AMEN to that.
 

papasmerf

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Gyaos said:
I don't know why you support the Bush Junior Administration.
Love him or hate him. He is the President and I do support standing up.
 

basketcase

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If AQ had any brains, the videos they released should have denied everything and blamed it on the US. Everyone else does.
 

northern_tantra

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anomandar said:
Did you ignore what i posted in regards to PM article?

In case u missed it....

Popular Mechanics is a credible source and definately not biased. Just ignore the fact that Benjamin Chertoff (cousin of Homeland Security's Michael Chertoff) wrote the article. It's fine. Popular Mechanics is 100% unbiased and credible with the cousin of the Secretary of Home Land Security writing an article supporting the governments version.
I think nathan_wong0 and I are of the same opinion: your line of reasoning is faulty. You seem to be saying that arguments presented in PM are not valid because the motives of the author are biased. As if the motives of those flaunting these conspiracy theories are any less biased. We all have our biases. So dismissing PM's article because of who wrote it, rather than whether the content is valid, is just not rational.

The problem most conspiracy theorists seem to suffer from is an abject misunderstanding of how large-scale systems work. In particular, how organizational systems like government and big business work. Anyone with real experience working inside big systems, or with education in systems theory, would immediately understand the reasons for the many bad or delayed decisions and actions that were made on the day of 9/11.

It's often convenient to think that there is a conspiracy behind government failure, because the alternative is to think that government is ineffective or incompetant. (Or "stupid", as one of the other posters said.) We feel safer to think that government may do things we don't like, but at least they know what they are doing. But the sad truth is, most of the time, mistakes are made as a matter of course. Big systems simply don't work all that well.

For an entertaining introduction into how systems work, and why they fail, try the book "Systemantics" by John Gall. It's old now, but still in print and still as valid today as it was in the 70's when it was written.

P.S. PM is not the only source debunking 911 conspiracy theories.
 
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