Do you believe in any 9/11 conspiracy theories ?
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No, I just believe Bush is an idiot and his father and all his corrupt friends are cashing in big time while Jr. Bush the idiot is president.
Or do you think a group of murdous bastards commited these murders?
Do you believe that those who ordered this and other terrorist acts should be terminated?
Do you believe that those who ordered this and other terrorist acts should be terminated?
I think a group of murderous bastards planned and executed this and other terrorist acts simply to demonstrate that governments are powerless to prevent stop them.papasmerf said:
The people responsible for planning and committing these types of terrorist acts should be hunted down and terminated with extreme prejudice. (Note: The military actions carried out by the US, Canada, Britain, Israel, etc. are not terrorist acts.)
What I do believe are Congressional reports that are blotted out for "national security" reasons is in fact evidence to support the conspiracy theory, else there should be nothing to hide from a government elected by its people. Why hide anything on an issue that certainly didn't protect America and the entire world, that day.papasmerf said:
What is being blotted out are the reasons that allow Osama von dickhead to continue making TV infomercials, his Super-8 motel palace in Pakistan and his training camps to thrive with amnesty given by the country that really attacked America, Pakistan. The invasion of Pakistan is on the front burner, diverted by Iraq and Iran. Too obvious, extremely sidetracked by the illegal US media (except Wolf Blitzer on one day, but never a continuance).
So yes, there is a conspiracy. Remember, Reagan funded Al Qaeda against the Russians, so now they are pissed off at us? Let's get to the truth. Impeach Bush Jr.
I believe you are overlooking the fact as to who commited this act.Gyaos said:
Quit trying to deflect the blame
Who not. Why, yes. Why they still exist in Pakistan (because the "US has to respect international borders", even more). Go ahead and support the cock-suckers in the US Government who will not go into Pakistan.papasmerf said:
No, I don't believe in any 9/11 conspiracy theories.
But, if there is a smoking gun, no one will ever find it.
Ever since JFK, Vietnam, and even Area 51, it'd be extremely naive not to have some degree of mistrust of the government.
But, if there is a smoking gun, no one will ever find it.
Ever since JFK, Vietnam, and even Area 51, it'd be extremely naive not to have some degree of mistrust of the government.
Occams Razor
Occams Razor tells us that the simplest theory is usually the right one.
Osama bin Laden became interested in anti-western jihad while in university (see Wikipedia). That was his motivation for helping the muhadeen in Afghanistan, with funding and support from the CIA. That worked well enough that after Russia left Afghanistan, he kept on building his army -- and his ambitions for anti-western jihad. He offered 12,000 men to help defend Saudi Arabia when Iraq invaded Kuwait but was rebuffed. Instead, the Saudi government allowed U.S. troops on their soil. Needless to say, this pissed him off.
The rest, as they say, is history. We can always look for complex reasons why events happen. But in the end, someone makes a decision to act. That decision, in this case, was made by bin Laden and his minions. The responsibility for the deaths of thousands rests on his shoulders, and the shoulders of those who helped him pull it off.
No other theory is simpler than that one.
Occams Razor tells us that the simplest theory is usually the right one.
Osama bin Laden became interested in anti-western jihad while in university (see Wikipedia). That was his motivation for helping the muhadeen in Afghanistan, with funding and support from the CIA. That worked well enough that after Russia left Afghanistan, he kept on building his army -- and his ambitions for anti-western jihad. He offered 12,000 men to help defend Saudi Arabia when Iraq invaded Kuwait but was rebuffed. Instead, the Saudi government allowed U.S. troops on their soil. Needless to say, this pissed him off.
The rest, as they say, is history. We can always look for complex reasons why events happen. But in the end, someone makes a decision to act. That decision, in this case, was made by bin Laden and his minions. The responsibility for the deaths of thousands rests on his shoulders, and the shoulders of those who helped him pull it off.
No other theory is simpler than that one.
I personally do not beleive the official story about the WTCs collaps. I still beleive that military cutter charges were present in the buldings. Also WTC 7, fell without a plane hitting it, and the owner admited that the military pulled it down. (controlled demolition).
A recent BYU univeristy professor found evidence of the patented Themate which is used in military explosives and demolitions, in the steel columns of the WTCs (1 & 2, &7). you can see it on www.inofwars.com.
So there is alot to answer for to honor the memory of those who died that day.
The whitehouse communications went down in that day, and some unknown callers used secret service codes for Air force one to direct threats to it. Also what is this about the 5 mossad agents who came to america as art students ? Fox news reported on the story, but now the report is classified. You can find it on YOu Tube: Here
And here is the admission of one of them ( who looks like Atta the lead hijaker who's picture was taken as he went through air port security). Here
In it the Mossad agents say : " OUR PURPOSE WAS TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT" So it shows that they had knowledge about the attacks.
and they were dancing. Other evidence suggest that Mossad carried out 911: Here , And HERE.
In the past Israel attacked the USS Librety , the most decorated ship in the US naval arsenal, as a pretext to make US invade the middle east
So the government has alot to answer for. After 911, 61 Mossad agents were arrested and held for 2 months then deported. They all lied by claiming they are art students. The CIA beleives they had direct tie-ins with 911, and the information is a government classified top secret. Maybe if the American public knew the real truth as to who did 911, they would raise up to arms with these people.
On a final note, G-d bless those who died that day. Peace.
A recent BYU univeristy professor found evidence of the patented Themate which is used in military explosives and demolitions, in the steel columns of the WTCs (1 & 2, &7). you can see it on www.inofwars.com.
So there is alot to answer for to honor the memory of those who died that day.
The whitehouse communications went down in that day, and some unknown callers used secret service codes for Air force one to direct threats to it. Also what is this about the 5 mossad agents who came to america as art students ? Fox news reported on the story, but now the report is classified. You can find it on YOu Tube: Here
And here is the admission of one of them ( who looks like Atta the lead hijaker who's picture was taken as he went through air port security). Here
In it the Mossad agents say : " OUR PURPOSE WAS TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT" So it shows that they had knowledge about the attacks.
and they were dancing. Other evidence suggest that Mossad carried out 911: Here , And HERE.
In the past Israel attacked the USS Librety , the most decorated ship in the US naval arsenal, as a pretext to make US invade the middle east
So the government has alot to answer for. After 911, 61 Mossad agents were arrested and held for 2 months then deported. They all lied by claiming they are art students. The CIA beleives they had direct tie-ins with 911, and the information is a government classified top secret. Maybe if the American public knew the real truth as to who did 911, they would raise up to arms with these people.
On a final note, G-d bless those who died that day. Peace.
Denial is your mantra on this and always has been it seems. Tell that to the families of those who were musrdered by your comrads.MarkJfr said:
The Middle East was never vitrified. We all want to believe George W. Bush Jr. and pig Cheney had nothing to do with it.papasmerf said:
George W. Bush Jr. made a speech at the site while there was a search and rescue mission STILL on-going, not search and recovery. Who died while he stood on-top of them? Therefore is he that stupid or did he forget to do something in his cover-up? Bush Jr. is appeasing Al Qaeda, not trying to stop them for good.
Hate to be a nit-picker, but I believe you meant "vilifying" not "vitrifying". (Unless of course you are referring the the effects of a nuclear explosion, which tends to vitrify sand within the blast radius.)papasmerf said:
Vitrify
verb: undergo vitrification; become glassy or glass-like
verb: change into glass or a glass-like substance by applying heat
Vilify
verb: spread negative information about
Too many unanswered questions on 9/11...
9-11: Five Years Later—Where Are We?
Those who are questioning the “official” explanation of 9-11 are not being unpatriotic
Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D.
Many readers have praised me for my courage in broaching taboo subjects and stating obvious truths. Others denounce me for “being unpatriotic and distrusting our government.”
One reader, Susan Hartman, wrote to me that I was obviously in the pay of Islamic jihadists and that she had reported me to the FBI.
Despite the lack of evidence to support their belief, a number of readers remain confident that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that America narrowly missed being annihilated. These readers know for a fact that Hussein had WMD because “the president would know, and he wouldn’t lie.”
In other words, whatever Bush says is true, and all who doubt him are unpatriotic. “You are with us or against us.”
The facts be damned. There are a large number of Susan Hartmans in the body politic. A group of scientists, engineers and university professors are trying to start a debate about the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings. I reported one of their findings:
There is an inconsistency between the speed with which the buildings collapsed and the “pancaking theory” used to explain the collapse. Another way of putting the problem is that there seems to be a massive energy deficit in the explanation that the buildings fell as a result of gravitational energy. There simply was not sufficient gravitational energy to produce the results.
For reporting a scientific finding, I was called a “conspiracy theorist.” Only in America is scientific analysis seen as conspiracy theory and government lies as truth.
Applications of the laws of physics and scientific calculations can be reviewed and checked by other scientists. Scientists, like the rest of us, can
make mistakes. Questions raised about the collapse of the WTC buildings are not engaged, however, but ignored.
The 9-11 scholars’ findings seem to be in sync with public opinion. Polls show that more than one-third and as much as one-half of the American public does not believe the government’s 9-11 story.
The public doesn’t believe the John F. Kennedy assassination story, either.
Nevertheless, experts who point out problems in the official story are still called “conspiracy theorists,” even though a large percentage of the people share their doubts.
I think the reason so many Americans do not believe the Kennedy story told by the Warren Commission and the 9-11 story told by the 9-11 Commission is not because Americans are knowledgeable about ballistics or physics, or know how to do energy calculations, but because the stories contain too many unusual happenings, too many oddities.
In the Kennedy case, doubts are raised by such things as an improbable bullet trajectory, the against-all-procedures absence of Secret Service agents from the rear and sides of Kennedy’s limo, the inexplicable access of an unauthorized armed civilian, Jack Ruby, who was able to assassinate Oswald inside the jail before Oswald could be questioned.
Online at insidebayarea.com there is a report that two scientists, Pat Grant and Erik Randich, at the Forensic Science Center of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, have discredited the reliability of the “neutron activation” analysis, which was used to “prove” that all the recovered bullet fragments came from Oswald’s shots. Courts no longer accept this as evidence, and the FBI no longer uses the analysis that was employed to close the Oswald case.
Any one of these things would be an oddity. The combination of oddities becomes inexplicable, a statistical impossibility.
The same with the explanation of 9-11. Powerfully constructed buildings do not collapse when there is no source of the required energy to do the job. A large 757 hits the Pentagon but leaves a small hole, and there is no sign of wings, engines, tail or fuselage. Every air control and military procedure fails, and hijacked airliners are not intercepted by jet fighters. The alleged hijackers’ names apparently are not on the passenger lists, and some of the alleged hijackers have been found alive and well in Saudi Arabia.
Dr. Thomas R. Olmstead used the Freedom of Information Act to get a copy of the autopsy list of American Airlines flight 77, and he reports that there are no Arabic names on the list.
My point is a simple one. Attentive people, even if they are not scientifically literate, can sense when there are too many oddities for an explanation to be believable. If deception is sensed, there is a receptive audience when experts or filmmakers speak. Denouncing inconvenient facts as “conspiracy theories” is a way of suppressing debate and investigation.
This itself is telling. If the official explanations are safe, their proponents should welcome the opportunity to show again and again that the explanations can stand all challenges. Instead, the second a challenge shows its head, it is branded a “conspiracy theory.” That tells me that the official explanations can stand no challenge.
Don’t ask me who killed Kennedy and why, and don’t ask me who was behind the 9-11 attack or what brought the three WTC buildings down.
My position is a simple one: The official accounts are too improbable to be believable. I won’t believe them until the government can explain where the energy came from to bring down the three WTC buildings. With the demise of the “single bullet” theory, there seems to be no verification of Oswald’s magical shooting.
It seems to me that the real conspiracy theories are the explanations that are overweighted with improbabilities. Readers ask me what can we do—we can do very little, as we have lost control over our government. Elections, even if not stolen, change very little. Government got free of our control when we forgot the teaching of our Founding Fathers that government is always the greatest threat to our liberty.
© 2006 CREATORS SYNDICATE INC.
Nationally syndicated columnist, Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D., a former editor at The Wall Street Journal, is the author of several books. He has been associated with the Hoover Institution, and the Institute for Political Economy and from 1981 to 1982 served as assistant secretary of the treasury for economic policy.
9-11: Five Years Later—Where Are We?
Those who are questioning the “official” explanation of 9-11 are not being unpatriotic
Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D.
Many readers have praised me for my courage in broaching taboo subjects and stating obvious truths. Others denounce me for “being unpatriotic and distrusting our government.”
One reader, Susan Hartman, wrote to me that I was obviously in the pay of Islamic jihadists and that she had reported me to the FBI.
Despite the lack of evidence to support their belief, a number of readers remain confident that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that America narrowly missed being annihilated. These readers know for a fact that Hussein had WMD because “the president would know, and he wouldn’t lie.”
In other words, whatever Bush says is true, and all who doubt him are unpatriotic. “You are with us or against us.”
The facts be damned. There are a large number of Susan Hartmans in the body politic. A group of scientists, engineers and university professors are trying to start a debate about the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings. I reported one of their findings:
There is an inconsistency between the speed with which the buildings collapsed and the “pancaking theory” used to explain the collapse. Another way of putting the problem is that there seems to be a massive energy deficit in the explanation that the buildings fell as a result of gravitational energy. There simply was not sufficient gravitational energy to produce the results.
For reporting a scientific finding, I was called a “conspiracy theorist.” Only in America is scientific analysis seen as conspiracy theory and government lies as truth.
Applications of the laws of physics and scientific calculations can be reviewed and checked by other scientists. Scientists, like the rest of us, can
make mistakes. Questions raised about the collapse of the WTC buildings are not engaged, however, but ignored.
The 9-11 scholars’ findings seem to be in sync with public opinion. Polls show that more than one-third and as much as one-half of the American public does not believe the government’s 9-11 story.
The public doesn’t believe the John F. Kennedy assassination story, either.
Nevertheless, experts who point out problems in the official story are still called “conspiracy theorists,” even though a large percentage of the people share their doubts.
I think the reason so many Americans do not believe the Kennedy story told by the Warren Commission and the 9-11 story told by the 9-11 Commission is not because Americans are knowledgeable about ballistics or physics, or know how to do energy calculations, but because the stories contain too many unusual happenings, too many oddities.
In the Kennedy case, doubts are raised by such things as an improbable bullet trajectory, the against-all-procedures absence of Secret Service agents from the rear and sides of Kennedy’s limo, the inexplicable access of an unauthorized armed civilian, Jack Ruby, who was able to assassinate Oswald inside the jail before Oswald could be questioned.
Online at insidebayarea.com there is a report that two scientists, Pat Grant and Erik Randich, at the Forensic Science Center of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, have discredited the reliability of the “neutron activation” analysis, which was used to “prove” that all the recovered bullet fragments came from Oswald’s shots. Courts no longer accept this as evidence, and the FBI no longer uses the analysis that was employed to close the Oswald case.
Any one of these things would be an oddity. The combination of oddities becomes inexplicable, a statistical impossibility.
The same with the explanation of 9-11. Powerfully constructed buildings do not collapse when there is no source of the required energy to do the job. A large 757 hits the Pentagon but leaves a small hole, and there is no sign of wings, engines, tail or fuselage. Every air control and military procedure fails, and hijacked airliners are not intercepted by jet fighters. The alleged hijackers’ names apparently are not on the passenger lists, and some of the alleged hijackers have been found alive and well in Saudi Arabia.
Dr. Thomas R. Olmstead used the Freedom of Information Act to get a copy of the autopsy list of American Airlines flight 77, and he reports that there are no Arabic names on the list.
My point is a simple one. Attentive people, even if they are not scientifically literate, can sense when there are too many oddities for an explanation to be believable. If deception is sensed, there is a receptive audience when experts or filmmakers speak. Denouncing inconvenient facts as “conspiracy theories” is a way of suppressing debate and investigation.
This itself is telling. If the official explanations are safe, their proponents should welcome the opportunity to show again and again that the explanations can stand all challenges. Instead, the second a challenge shows its head, it is branded a “conspiracy theory.” That tells me that the official explanations can stand no challenge.
Don’t ask me who killed Kennedy and why, and don’t ask me who was behind the 9-11 attack or what brought the three WTC buildings down.
My position is a simple one: The official accounts are too improbable to be believable. I won’t believe them until the government can explain where the energy came from to bring down the three WTC buildings. With the demise of the “single bullet” theory, there seems to be no verification of Oswald’s magical shooting.
It seems to me that the real conspiracy theories are the explanations that are overweighted with improbabilities. Readers ask me what can we do—we can do very little, as we have lost control over our government. Elections, even if not stolen, change very little. Government got free of our control when we forgot the teaching of our Founding Fathers that government is always the greatest threat to our liberty.
© 2006 CREATORS SYNDICATE INC.
Nationally syndicated columnist, Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D., a former editor at The Wall Street Journal, is the author of several books. He has been associated with the Hoover Institution, and the Institute for Political Economy and from 1981 to 1982 served as assistant secretary of the treasury for economic policy.
I am not surprised.MarkJfr said:
I personally do not believe in complex conspiracy theories that require an astounding suspension of rational thought and a complete disregard for common sense.
I must have missed something ... where does it say in the clip that they arrived before 9/11? If they arrived after 9/11 for the purpose of documenting the event, then they did not require foreknowledge of it. Non sequitor.MarkJfr said:
Of course, when your mind is already made up about something, you'll see evidence supporting your theory in almost anything.
