Do not understand Jackson phenomena

mmmburritos said:
I won't dispute that in his day nobody in the music world was bigger than him. What I don't really get is all the people acting like it's a huge loss to the world. Akin to us losing a spiritual leader, or someone truly great. I heard some guy on the radio say that "the world is a darker place without Michael in it." Really? is it? come on. Jackson hasn't been relevant for years. And he wasn't exactly a good person, in fact not even close.
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People across the world feel a loss because Jackson was talented and because despite all the rumors and hearsay to the contrary, they believe somebody who was fundamentally good and a positive force is no longer with us.

It's your opinion that he wasn't a good person. Many would beg to differ.

lol @ the notion of spiritual leaders as being significant or "truly great".
 
Hadrian said:
I respect his talent, shit you would have to be an idiot not to. Just his lack of respect for other artists EVH for example. You guys may of loved him but he was a real prick in the industry!!!
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Now that you mention it, he did make an enemy of Paul Macartney. Something about Paul wanting to buy back the rights to a lot of his music and MJ outbidding him or something like that.....
 
I don't recall this kind of hype press etc call it what you will when SINATRA died and he was a real entertainer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guess I am showing my age.
 
Tonight's BET Awards provided a good example of the "Jackson phenomena" and why he was so important to the entertainment industry. The show tonight was basically a tribute to MJ with A-list celebrities. And to think that the organizers, presenters and performers only had from when MJ died Thursday afternoon up until tonight to revamp the whole show.
The show should be repeated numerous times over the next few months on BET. I think I saw advertised that it will be re-aired this Tuesday night.
 
I went back to school a few years ago (I'm in my thirties) and used to go to the student pub night for a beer and to check out the young lasses getting smashed. The trend at the time (mid 2000's) was to sneak in an 80's Michael Jackson hit and there'd always be some guy who could pull off some of MJ's dance moves. This would drive the kids crazy and they would make a circle around him as if he was break dancing. You gotta think most of these college kids (17 - 23ish) weren't even alive during Thriller. His music still sounds fresh and still gets the kids going in a night club, twenty years later! I was never a fan, but to me that is impressive.
 
Back Burner said:
Smallcock he can't read your post so please stop posting!
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Dude I know you think it's funny to quote him, but he is down right insulting to those of us trying to ply(SP) a trade! I can take a ribbing like everyone else but he goes too far! He's a nasty little shit!!!
 
spankingman said:
I don't recall this kind of hype press etc call it what you will when SINATRA died and he was a real entertainer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guess I am showing my age.
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Actually Sinatra was another "hype" in his day. While he could sing, he was far from the best singer I've ever heard. Frankly (no pun intended) I've heard better on America's Got Talent and that dentist from Britain's Got Talent.....
 
tboy said:
Actually Sinatra was another "hype" in his day. While he could sing, he was far from the best singer I've ever heard. Frankly (no pun intended) I've heard better on America's Got Talent and that dentist from Britain's Got Talent.....
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lol comparing Sinatra to Susan Boyle... you can't be serious...

She's ok, she's not anywhere near a "great" singer.
 
Nothing against Michael I liked his music too but ...

I have far more respect for a teacher who gives of themselves after class without notice or a soldier who dies for his country - whatever side he is on - or a scientist alone in his lab trying to solve cancer or a farmer trying to save his heritage etc then I ever will for something that is , in comparison, insignificant tinsel -like a singer/dancer or athlete or actor etc who spend their life seeking fame and glory to satisfy there own needs for fame and glory

Read everything and I still do not get it but here is my guess as to the cause of this phenomena

People who are so taken by this are groupies and groupies are groupies because they lack a strong father figure

Oh yeah, include a high quality SP in the list of people I respect more
 
Big Rig said:
Nothing against Michael I liked his music too but ...

I have far more respect for a teacher who gives of themselves after class without notice or a soldier who dies for his country - whatever side he is on - or a scientist alone in his lab trying to solve cancer or a farmer trying to save his heritage etc then I ever will for something that is , in comparison, insignificant tinsel -like a singer/dancer or athlete or actor etc who spend their life seeking fame and glory to satisfy there own needs for fame and glory

Read everything and I still do not get it but here is my guess as to the cause of this phenomena

People who are so taken by this are groupies and groupies are groupies because they lack a strong father figure
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Jackson's cultural impact is worldwide. Seeking fame and glory? The guy was shy and meek. That's why he was so beloved - no trace of ego. The only thing he was good at was entertaining and he did it better than anybody else. Jackson's philanthropy, humanitarianism, and musical messages has enriched everybody - including the teacher and her students.

Imagine a world without music. On the surface music seems insignificant, but it's not.

It's like saying you have more respect for an unknown doctor than Mark Twain, just because the latter did nothing but write words on paper. I don't think it's such an easy comparison.
 
petitelover said:
Excellent points. If you look at MTV now it is nothing compared to what it used to be. Now, anyone can be a "movie" star by the use of YouTube and similar outlets. Although I think he was extremely talented both from a vocal and dance perspective, much of his success can also be attributed to exposure on MTV. Will that mix ever happen again? Probably, but I don't think in our life time.
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I think something has happened to the music industry over the last few decades that is lessening the chance of ICONs like Elvis, MJ, the beatles. etc... Today the ancient Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan are al that are left that may be called ICOns or some other such pop sobriquet. Despite MJs work MTV, is part of the reason for the dearth of true superstars, as is the rise of alternate music like Hip Hop and rap. Today's music stars are brief candles that produce forgettable music(with, of course, the odd exception). The music is largely self-destructive in that it has no enduring qualities. And what music that has been popular over the last few years will be remembered and played even five years from now? Perhaps we have moved from popular music to niche music.
 
Smallcock said:
Jackson's cultural impact is worldwide. Seeking fame and glory? The guy was shy and meek. That's why he was so beloved - no trace of ego. The only thing he was good at was entertaining and he did it better than anybody else. Jackson's philanthropy, humanitarianism, and musical messages has enriched everybody - including the teacher and her students.

Imagine a world without music. On the surface music seems insignificant, but it's not.

It's like saying you have more respect for an unknown doctor than Mark Twain, just because the latter did nothing but write words on paper. I don't think it's such an easy comparison.
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Thx for the intelligent response. I still say a lot of this is the groupy need for a strong father figure - the same phenomena that makes us mourn the loss of leaders and allows dictators take over a country (like Bush did)

BTW, I really enjoy Mark Twain, and even been to his house but I do have more respect for the doctor

As far as imagine the world without music if Jackson was never born someone else would have took his place but not that doctor.

Now imagine the world without good teachers yet you could be as good at teaching as Jackson was at entertaining and no one would know except the few lucky students who are being turned into geniuses because I believe anyone with a normal IQ can be made into a genius with the right teaching environment and in the hands of someone gifted - I have met some of the fortunate at a Vegas trade show but we care more about someone who can give us escape for a few hours then someone who can turn us into a genius and I think that is what a lot of it is - escape and worship of a strong father figure
 
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