Do I have to vote for Ford now?

james t kirk

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Ford is really pretending this sixth wave isn't happening, isn't he?
No changes to mask mandates, letting the jays open with crowds of 50,000 and not public warnings.
This variant may incubate for up to a week and then be communicable a couple of days before you see symptoms and its everywhere.
Tell me something, why is it that leftists make COVID part of their core identity?

Why do you feel the need to ram your opinion down everyone else's throats?
 

james t kirk

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With the number of hospitalizations up by 40% from a week ago and ICU patients on the rise as well, simple basics like the removal of masks mandates would have helped to curb this rise.
Remember when push came to shove Ford shut the economy last year, especially when he was warned by his own medical experts. This is no different, and implementing the masks for now should once again be a mandate and not a choice. Of course only FreeDumb Convoys will disagree with that fact!!

So feel free to barricade yourself in your basement by the dim light of a computer monitor eating C Rations and wearing 3 masks at the same time. Knock yourself out. I don't care what you do.

But I'd really wish that you'd confine your hysterics to your basement. You're getting to be like a broken record already and it's boring frankly. I'm going outside in the sun for a walk with no mask and going to stop in for some fish and chips.
 

Frankfooter

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Tell me something, why is it that leftists make COVID part of their core identity?

Why do you feel the need to ram your opinion down everyone else's throats?
Core identity?

Excuse me for commenting on a pandemic that is still shutting businesses and schools.
 

bver_hunter

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Im concerned about the SMALL BUSINESS mom pop type stores who can't afford the increases. IMO there is no reason why some of these large corporations pay their staff min. wage or just above it.
If these businesses cannot pay the minimum wages to their staff, then their business is really not successful. All businesses have jacked up their prices to take these costs into account. Instead of paying their staff the minimum wages they are probably giving their favourite supervisors or managers the biggest raises, or pocketing the extra profits if they are rmanaging their own businesses!!
 

bver_hunter

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So feel free to barricade yourself in your basement by the dim light of a computer monitor eating C Rations and wearing 3 masks at the same time. Knock yourself out. I don't care what you do.

But I'd really wish that you'd confine your hysterics to your basement. You're getting to be like a broken record already and it's boring frankly. I'm going outside in the sun for a walk with no mask and going to stop in for some fish and chips.
You are coming up with some real nonsense. Start making some sense for a change. If these restriction were not in place then we would have seen out of control severe infections and deaths. Obviously, you are coming up with this drivel from mama's basement, as you cannot comprehend how stressed the Hospital Staff have been throughout this Pandemic. Many ending up getting severely infected and some even losing their lives. Anyway where did I mention anything about wearing masks when you are outdoors? Total silly assumptions from you as this mandate has never been implemented in the first place. So come up with some more logical discussions not just boring garbage!!
 

basketcase

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Ford is really pretending this sixth wave isn't happening, isn't he?
No changes to mask mandates, letting the jays open with crowds of 50,000 and not public warnings.
This variant may incubate for up to a week and then be communicable a couple of days before you see symptoms and its everywhere.
But they promised that as they're ignoring it, they will start actually using the antivirals that have been sitting in a warehouse (provided by Trudeau months ago).

p.s. for the 'mild' crowd - 1366 in hospital, 156 in ICU
 

spankingman

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But they promised that as they're ignoring it, they will start actually using the antivirals that have been sitting in a warehouse (provided by Trudeau months ago).

p.s. for the 'mild' crowd - 1366 in hospital, 156 in ICU
But they promised that as they're ignoring it, they will start actually using the antivirals that have been sitting in a warehouse (provided by Trudeau months ago).

p.s. for the 'mild' crowd - 1366 in hospital, 156 in ICU
NOBODY twisted the arms of the 50,000.00 fans to go to the game. Now MLSE announced they are opening Maple Leaf Square where people will be packed in nuts to butts!
 

wigglee

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I got my $ 600 cheque today. Sorry Doug, but it won't buy my vote. It just proves how nakedly corrupt you are. But thanks for the dough, man.
 

rhuarc29

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This one happened at least. Who cares about the massive loss of income and no way to replace it.
Do you also criticize extra programs with no way to pay for them? Two sides of the same coin.

This is the problem.
When Liberals are in power, they introduce a bunch of programs without concrete plans to properly fund them. This equals more government debt.
When Conservatives are in power, they cut government revenue (aka taxes/fees) but without cutting the programs they are funding. This equals more government debt.

Both are irresponsible options. Just want to make sure you're condemning both and not just "the other side".
 

wigglee

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Cons spend alot of time criticizing the Libs for their tax and spending and the massive debt. But when they get in power, nothing changes. The most responsible leader in memory was Paul Martin, a Lib.
 

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I prefer not to vote for anyone that supported the lockdowns. Ford was the most lockdown happy leader in all North America. Which destroyed so many people's lives and quality of life for years to come..........I have no choice but to vote PC. Deluca and Horvat are worse.
Federal elections cant come soon enough Pierre speaks to me a first generation Canadian
Quebec is in North America, they had more restrictions than any other place in North America, Ford not even close.
 

Frankfooter

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Do you also criticize extra programs with no way to pay for them? Two sides of the same coin.

This is the problem.
When Liberals are in power, they introduce a bunch of programs without concrete plans to properly fund them. This equals more government debt.
When Conservatives are in power, they cut government revenue (aka taxes/fees) but without cutting the programs they are funding. This equals more government debt.

Both are irresponsible options. Just want to make sure you're condemning both and not just "the other side".
This is the states, but this is where the money to fund program lies.

The Richest Americans pay 3.4% in Federal Taxes, a rate 5 Times Less that most People
 

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Cons spend alot of time criticizing the Libs for their tax and spending and the massive debt. But when they get in power, nothing changes. The most responsible leader in memory was Paul Martin, a Lib.
Compared to the current climate, Martin would not be identified as a Liberal and Trudeau would be more NDP.
 

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I got my $ 600 cheque today. Sorry Doug, but it won't buy my vote. It just proves how nakedly corrupt you are. But thanks for the dough, man.
I received my $800 cheque today and Ford has my vote.

Personally I do not care for the man, but I prefer to have more of my hard earned money in my pocket as opposed to spend-happy government.

For the past 15 - 20 years our governments have had a huge spending problem. We are over taxed as citizens and it is time the taxpayers stood up to this and demand change and accountability.
 

rhuarc29

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For the past 15 - 20 years our governments have had a huge spending problem. We are over taxed as citizens and it is time the taxpayers stood up to this and demand change and accountability.
Fiscal responsibility is a huge selling point to me. I don't particularly think Ford has done great with it either, but certainly Trudeau has done horribly. It's so easy to promise and implement more and more spending without having anything more than a framework for what *might* generate enough revenue to pay for it. Ultimately, politicians have failed to properly fund all the programs they promised, which is why we're going more and more into debt, thereby increasing our interest payments, tying up ever more money that could have gone into paying for those programs. Ford scrapping these fees isn't any better, since he's not cutting any spending to coincide with it. That'll just equate to more debt.

There's only one good justification for going into debt to spend on programs (or to cut taxes). And that's if the return on said spending (or cuts) exceeds that which is paid in plus the cost of interest. That's it.
Politicians like to promise that that's the case, but all they give is vague statements like "paying teachers more will result in a better educated youth". It's a qualitative assumption, with no focus on quantitatively evaluating whether it was true or not.
Responsible adults understand that money is a finite resource. Throwing money at programs as if its infinite is why we're in a mess right now, with runaway inflation and little by means to fight it without straining government resources even more by means of increase interest on the debt.

Fiscal irresponsibility will catch up with us. It's the responsibility of the voters to hold government to account on their irresponsible spending, but I don't believe we've done that since the days of Chretien.
 

Frankfooter

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Fiscal responsibility is a huge selling point to me. I don't particularly think Ford has done great with it either, but certainly Trudeau has done horribly. It's so easy to promise and implement more and more spending without having anything more than a framework for what *might* generate enough revenue to pay for it. Ultimately, politicians have failed to properly fund all the programs they promised, which is why we're going more and more into debt, thereby increasing our interest payments, tying up ever more money that could have gone into paying for those programs. Ford scrapping these fees isn't any better, since he's not cutting any spending to coincide with it. That'll just equate to more debt.

There's only one good justification for going into debt to spend on programs (or to cut taxes). And that's if the return on said spending (or cuts) exceeds that which is paid in plus the cost of interest. That's it.
Politicians like to promise that that's the case, but all they give is vague statements like "paying teachers more will result in a better educated youth". It's a qualitative assumption, with no focus on quantitatively evaluating whether it was true or not.
Responsible adults understand that money is a finite resource. Throwing money at programs as if its infinite is why we're in a mess right now, with runaway inflation and little by means to fight it without straining government resources even more by means of increase interest on the debt.

Fiscal irresponsibility will catch up with us. It's the responsibility of the voters to hold government to account on their irresponsible spending, but I don't believe we've done that since the days of Chretien.
They have a different take. The traditional conservative mantra is austerity, cut taxes and services. Except its never worked and never balanced a budget.
The liberals are trying to use money to fuel the economy but targeting people and skills as opposed to big corporations and millionaires.
That's worked in the northern EU countries.
 

rhuarc29

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They have a different take. The traditional conservative mantra is austerity, cut taxes and services. Except its never worked and never balanced a budget.
Austerity never worked? Chretien did it, after we came close to becoming the 90s version of Greece. He substantially cut programs, though he also mildly boosted taxes, and turned Canada around in very short order, setting us up for a very successful decade, allowing us to weather the 08/09 recession better than most countries. I'm a Conservative, but I don't give credit to Harper for that success. I know Chretien laid the groundwork.

The situation we could be facing soon is very similar. Rising interest rates, ballooning debt, an economy that is in no position to weather shocks, and a budget forecast that shows a deficit narrowing based on optimistic assumptions. All that was true in the 90s too.

The 90s turnaround and subsequent boom was the envy of plenty a country, but we've forgotten the lessons from it in the decade following the recession.
 

Frankfooter

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Austerity never worked? Chretien did it, after we came close to becoming the 90s version of Greece. He substantially cut programs, though he also mildly boosted taxes, and turned Canada around in very short order, setting us up for a very successful decade, allowing us to weather the 08/09 recession better than most countries. I'm a Conservative, but I don't give credit to Harper for that success. I know Chretien laid the groundwork.

The situation we could be facing soon is very similar. Rising interest rates, ballooning debt, an economy that is in no position to weather shocks, and a budget forecast that shows a deficit narrowing based on optimistic assumptions. All that was true in the 90s too.

The 90s turnaround and subsequent boom was the envy of plenty a country, but we've forgotten the lessons from it in the decade following the recession.
Chretien did not implement austerity.
 
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