Discrimination

[333conan]

I have been reading a post about someone looking for a white driving instructor, before you know it people are crying racism. I don't care what anyone says, there is discrimination against every group out there. However, it seems caucasians are the only ones who seem to get called rascists. Why is that?
Whites and men are disciminated against as well. Blacks often use racial slurs, about themselfs and whites, the government seeks out visible minorities and women(they even have quotas). How many womens only gyms are there? Imagine if someone tried to have have a Mens only gym (not that any one would go there) or someone tried to have a whites or mens only club, or a beauty pageant for white women only. There would be such an uproar. But there are womens only gyms and clubs for certain ethnic groups and ther was (I'm not sure it is still around) The African American Ms America. Aren't they disciminateing against caucasians?
Look at car Insurance. Young men are listed as high risk drivers. Granted, they do cause a fair amount of accidents. But what about Chinese drivers? I can't be the only one who knows to stay clear of them on the roads. But why don't they have to pay higher insurance? Because they would scream about discrimination. So it's ok to discimintae against all young male drivers but not Chinese drivers?
And what about Muslims? Women are second class citizens to them, and they openly hate Jewish people. I know that is not true of all of them, but when the majority stay silent and allow the minority to make them look bad, they are just as guilty. I try to treat everyone the same, but it pisses me off when some people only label whites as racist. Have a good look around and you will see racism everywhere form every different group.

 

[Angela@Mirage]

I have been reading a post about someone looking for a white driving instructor, before you know it people are crying racism. I don't care what anyone says, there is discrimination against every group out there. However, it seems caucasians are the only ones who seem to get called rascists. Why is that?
Whites and men are disciminated against as well. Blacks often use racial slurs, about themselfs and whites, the government seeks out visible minorities and women(they even have quotas). How many womens only gyms are there? Imagine if someone tried to have have a Mens only gym (not that any one would go there) or someone tried to have a whites or mens only club, or a beauty pageant for white women only. There would be such an uproar. But there are womens only gyms and clubs for certain ethnic groups and ther was (I'm not sure it is still around) The African American Ms America. Aren't they disciminateing against caucasians?
Look at car Insurance. Young men are listed as high risk drivers. Granted, they do cause a fair amount of accidents. But what about Chinese drivers? I can't be the only one who knows to stay clear of them on the roads. But why don't they have to pay higher insurance? Because they would scream about discrimination. So it's ok to discimintae against all young male drivers but not Chinese drivers?
And what about Muslims? Women are second class citizens to them, and they openly hate Jewish people. I know that is not true of all of them, but when the majority stay silent and allow the minority to make them look bad, they are just as guilty. I try to treat everyone the same, but it pisses me off when some people only label whites as racist. Have a good look around and you will see racism everywhere form every different group.

Yes discrimination is prevelant in our society. It does not mean we have to follow suit.

 

[Ashton.]

I actually remember writing an essay about this very thing when I was in high school. I got an A but it wasn't well received by my class mates.

 

[mmouse]

Hmm, let me guess you're a white male. The fact is, white men are numerically, culturally and economically the majority in this country. That makes discrimination against them largely symbolic, and not material.

It also means you can't bring everyone down to the same level and call everyone a racist. Because when the dominant group is racist, people tend to suffer. When minorities are racist, nobody really gives shit.

 

[red]

Hmm, let me guess you're a white male. The fact is, white men are numerically, culturally and economically the majority in this country. That makes discrimination against them largely symbolic, and not material.

It also means you can't bring everyone down to the same level and call everyone a racist. Because when the dominant group is racist, people tend to suffer. When minorities are racist, nobody really gives shit.

while there is some truth to what you are saying, white people are not the majority if you take into account the entire world.

we are all humans and all have the same ancestors.

 

[333conan]

Hmm, let me guess you're a white male. The fact is, white men are numerically, culturally and economically the majority in this country. That makes discrimination against them largely symbolic, and not material.

It also means you can't bring everyone down to the same level and call everyone a racist. Because when the dominant group is racist, people tend to suffer. When minorities are racist, nobody really gives shit.

What about South Africa? Black are the mojority there, but they are still the victims of discraceful racism. Would you say that it's symbolic and not material there? When is it ok be disciminate against a group? How large a number?

 

[333conan]

Yes discrimination is prevelant in our society. It does not mean we have to follow suit.

I wasn't implying we should follow suit, it just pisses me off when some groups cry about being discriminated against, when they are just as guilty of doing to another group.

 

[mmouse]

What about South Africa? Black are the mojority there, but they are still the victims of discraceful racism. Would you say that it's symbolic and not material there? When is it ok be disciminate against a group? How large a number?

I don't know if that's an accurate statement today. But in the days of apartheid, whites certainly had the majority of political and economic power. It's not an absolute number, it's about who holds the cards.

 

[CapitalGuy]

The fact is, white men are numerically, culturally and economically the majority in this country. That makes discrimination against them largely symbolic, and not material.
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This is deeply flawed logic. If you treat any human badly, you treat all humans badly.

 

[RayFinkel]

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[red]

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are you trying to polarize this debate

 

[lawyerman]

There is only one race: Human.

 

[Rylan]

The fact is, white men are numerically, culturally and economically the majority in this country. That makes discrimination against them largely symbolic, and not material.

This is deeply flawed logic. If you treat any human badly, you treat all humans badly.

Ya, I got to agree with you Capt. Discrimination is just that discrimination. You can't say that it is wrong for one race but okay for another.

And I can tell you that many mid twenties white men would disagree it is not material when they can not get a job because it has to go to someone of another sex or race. It is very material to them

 

[capncrunch]

Racism comes in many forms, from all social groups and in societies.

Currently, at least in Canada, the war is primarily being fought against middle-aged white males. For example, getting a job at any level of the public service - municipal, provincial or federal - is extraordinarily difficult if you happen to be a middle-aged white male. And the well-established bias in family courts against men grows stronger all the time.

But it's not just in Canada. The Australia government has instituted a protocol that will selectively target white males to keep them out of the centres of power. See Discrimination against white males will soon be encouraged. A proposal in the UK, as well, aims to discriminate against white men. See This equality for women is an injustice for men. The article includes this incisive paragraph:

White men are no longer to be equal to everyone else; they will lose their rights in employment tribunals (unless they are beyond retirement age, when they may possibly regain them); they are to pay for the sins of their fathers (or rather for the sins of their fathers’ bosses) against working women and against ethnic minorities by being unjustly treated in their turn.

Racism/sexism against white males seems to be the last acceptable bigotry.

 

[Music_Box]

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It's laughable to hear white men cry of racism, white man practically own everything and are born with a gold crown in their heads, there's no such thing as descrimination against them.

And this coming from a white man (me). Stop the whining, and yes it is racist to ask specifically for a white driving instructor.

 

[red]

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It's laughable to hear white men cry of racism, white man practically own everything and are born with a gold crown in their heads, there's no such thing as descrimination against them.

And this coming from a white man (me). Stop the whining, and yes it is racist to ask specifically for a white driving instructor.

the person asking for a white driving instructor is a chinese woman.

 

[Angela@Mirage]

I wasn't implying we should follow suit, it just pisses me off when some groups cry about being discriminated against, when they are just as guilty of doing to another group.

No worries, I understood you the first time. I was just making a point.

 

[FOOTSNIFFER]

The vast majority of the upper management of the company I work for are composed of WASPs...while the majority of the 'workers' are of various races. The Wasps make just as many stooopid mistakes, are about as incompetent as anyone else, but somehow nobody who doesn't 'make them comfortable' seems to get the higher level positions. White canucks discriminate like hell, but they just do it in their typically underhanded, backstabbing way. The end result is the same. I listen to CFRB mostly during the day....EVERYONE, without exception (ok: mark tang is a producer for Ryan Doyle's radio show) on air is 'white'...Bill Carroll, Jane Brown, Ryan Doyle, Jim Richards, Steven LdDrew, Michael Coren, The Motts etc......
This place is far far less open to newcomers than the States. Although I do think it's more open than most other places in the world, especially Europe.

 

[shakenbake]

The fact is, white men are numerically, culturally and economically the majority in this country.

Really? At least in the GTA, we have been told that white males are the minority. In the U$A, white males are touted as being the minority by this group.

http://www.sussman.org/wmm.html

How true is it, or is it just more racial propaganda?

However, we all forget that each one of us bleeds red blood when we are cut, no matter what our skin colour or mother tongue. So, why can't we all live and love together in this world?

 

[shakenbake]

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