Discrimination

[capncrunch]

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It's laughable to hear white men cry of racism, white man practically own everything and are born with a gold crown in their heads, there's no such thing as descrimination against them.

Born with a gold crown?

I have, personally, been denied employment opportunities specifically because I am a white male. This isn't supposition or assumption; it was confirmed by two separate, independent inside sources on one occasion and by another inside source on another occasion.

I don't know about you, my friend, but I've worked damn hard for everything I've earned. Nobody gave me anything.

Racism in ALL it's forms is ugly. That includes bigotry against white males.

 

[shakenbake]

Born with a gold crown?

I have, personally, been denied employment opportunities specifically because I am a white male. This isn't supposition or assumption; it was confirmed by two separate, independent inside sources on one occasion and by another inside source on another occasion.

I don't know about you, my friend, but I've worked damn hard for everything I've earned. Nobody gave me anything.

Racism in ALL it's forms is ugly. That includes bigotry against white males.

Sometimes, reverse discrimination occurs. I have seen it and experienced it, too. The other unfortunate consequence of reverse discrimination is that, because of hiring quotas, the best candidate gets rejected. Then again, if the organisation is so shallow to prefer image to competence, regardless of race or ethnicity, you wouldn't want to work for them, anyway. Fortunately, it doesn't happen that often, any more, and we ale judged by what we can bring to an organisation.

 

[Noir]

*sigh* No offense but why is racism brought up all the time. I could have sworn that just last month I posted something about hating these sort of threads.

It's everywhere. It happens all the time and to everyone. Don't like it? Don't be racist. ^_^ Problem solved. (If only it were that easy...Now excuse me while I apply to become a cop. As a black female...haha...well, it's guaranteed. Ahh..the irony of it all...

 

[j_anderson]

There is no racism in looking for a white instructor?!?

Chinese instructors have slanted eyes; therefore, their vision is slanted.
Indian instructors have turbans; therefore, their vision is obscured.
Black instructors are thinking of getting laid; therefore, their vision is tunneled.

Did i miss anyone to offend?

She just wants to avoid riff raff. I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[Rockslinger]

It's everywhere. It happens all the time and to everyone. Don't like it?

Unfortunately, racism still happens. While I do have some sympathy for white males who feel discriminated against, black, brown and yellow people also still face discrimination. Here are a couple of examples:

1) If there was no discrimination, 100% of the players in the NBA would be black/Afro-American.

2) If there was no discrimination, 80% of the students based strictly on merit in California universities would be Asian.

 

[Noir]

*licks my lips*

Is this the new role play; officer i've been a bad boy

Can I borrow your nightstick? I seem to have forgotten mine and my holster is empty...

 

[oldjones]

Hmm, let me guess you're a white male. The fact is, white men are numerically, culturally and economically the majority in this country. That makes discrimination against them largely symbolic, and not material.

It also means you can't bring everyone down to the same level and call everyone a racist. Because when the dominant group is racist, people tend to suffer. When minorities are racist, nobody really gives shit.

When anyone is racist, everyone's in trouble. We can understand it, we can judge it minor, we can excuse it in certain cases, but we can never make it right.

 

[genintoronto]

I have been reading a post about someone looking for a white driving instructor, before you know it people are crying racism. I don't care what anyone says, there is discrimination against every group out there. However, it seems caucasians are the only ones who seem to get called rascists. Why is that?

Because there's a difference between discrimination and racism (or sexism, heterosexism, ableism, etc.). In other words, the same power dynamics that create white/male/heterosexual privilege have created a hierarchy of prejudice so that discrimination against a privileged group is not the same as discrimination against a non-privileged group.

White people can be and are racially discriminated against. But there's not an entire cultural, ideological, and structural system of power in place that condone and support this discrimination. It is still discrimination, it is still wrong. But it's not the same thing as racism, which is commonly defined and understood as discrimination + power (institutional, cultural, ideological, structural).

On a similar note, men can be and are discriminated against on the basis of their gender. But it's not the same thing as sexism, ie, gender discrimination + power.

I don't think that anyone would dispute the fact that discrimination sucks and is wrong. But glossing over the inequity of the two discrimination helps keep the inequity in play and the privilege of some groups over others intact.

Whites and men are disciminated against as well. Blacks often use racial slurs, about themselfs and whites, the government seeks out visible minorities and women(they even have quotas). How many womens only gyms are there? Imagine if someone tried to have have a Mens only gym (not that any one would go there) or someone tried to have a whites or mens only club, or a beauty pageant for white women only. There would be such an uproar. But there are womens only gyms and clubs for certain ethnic groups and ther was (I'm not sure it is still around) The African American Ms America. Aren't they disciminateing against caucasians.

Creating safe-spaces for oppressed and/or vulnerable groups is not discrimination. Those safe-spaces aren't created on the ideological belief that the privileged excluded group (white, men, hets, etc.) is inferior or less deserving of certain rights or privileges. Women-only gyms for instance are created not with the purpose of denying men a space to work out, but rather with the purpose of providing women with a space where they can feel safe to work out without having to deal with unwanted attention. Creating those women-only gyms doesn't deny men their access to most otherwise mixed gyms.

 

[333conan]

Because there's a difference between discrimination and racism (or sexism, heterosexism, ableism, etc.). In other words, the same power dynamics that create white/male/heterosexual privilege have created a hierarchy of prejudice so that discrimination against a privileged group is not the same as discrimination against a non-privileged group.

White people can be and are racially discriminated against. But there's not an entire cultural, ideological, and structural system of power in place that condone and support this discrimination. It is still discrimination, it is still wrong. But it's not the same thing as racism, which is commonly defined and understood as discrimination + power (institutional, cultural, ideological, structural).

On a similar note, men can be and are discriminated against on the basis of their gender. But it's not the same thing as sexism, ie, gender discrimination + power.

I don't think that anyone would dispute the fact that discrimination sucks and is wrong. But glossing over the inequity of the two discrimination helps keep the inequity in play and the privilege of some groups over others intact.


Creating safe-spaces for oppressed and/or vulnerable groups is not discrimination. Those safe-spaces aren't created on the ideological belief that the privileged excluded group (white, men, hets, etc.) is inferior or less deserving of certain rights or privileges. Women-only gyms for instance are created not with the purpose of denying men a space to work out, but rather with the purpose of providing women with a space where they can feel safe to work out without having to deal with unwanted attention. Creating those women-only gyms doesn't deny men their access to most otherwise mixed gyms.

I understand what you are saying. But I will use goodlife as an example here. If a man and a woman join goodlife at the same location and pay to use all the clubs available, they will pay the same rate. Unfortunately for men, there are far more facilities available to women as they have quite a few womens only clubs. Why then do men have to pay the same rate as the women? We should pay less. Basically, we are helping to pay for clubs we are not allowed to use. But I do see your point. It's just too bad we kep getting screwed by the courts. Ther gave been cases where women want to join mens only clubs and the courts force it to happen. But there was a case in BC not long ago where a man wanted to be allowd to use a womens only gym and was shot down. It's clearly a double standard. I'd like to see what would happen if a man wanted to join the LPGA tour. He would clean up. But I'm sure it would never be allowd, even though women are alowed to play on the mens tour.

 

[great bear]

are you trying to polarize this debate

Why do you Pandar to Finkel?

 

[great bear]

Yo, bro!

thats me! thats me!!

 

[red]

White people can be and are racially discriminated against. But there's not an entire cultural, ideological, and structural system of power in place that condone and support this discrimination.

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I think you are misinformed. There have been and continue to be structural and cultural systems of power which have discriminated against identifiable groups of white men- such as jews, or italians or catholics, etc

 

[genintoronto]

I think you are misinformed. There have been and continue to be structural and cultural systems of power which have discriminated against identifiable groups of white men- such as jews, or italians or catholics, etc

Indeed.

Race relations are complex and multi-layered. For instance, Irish people have long been considered a sub-race to the 'white race', often referred to as "white negroes". Closer to home, French Canadians have also historically been discriminated against and treated as a sub-race to the "white race", as a "people without history and civilization". And similar hierarchies were produced and maintained among people of color, with some racialized groups seen and treated as superior/inferior to other groups.

That's basically how unequal power relations function and are sustained: by creating categories and hiearchies among different groups of people along race, gender, sexuality, religion, nationality, etc.

So yes, some white people (men) can be discriminated against on a structural level. Along with the groups you mentioned above, gay white men also come to mind. According to Homi Bhahba and other social scientists who work on race relations, the concept of "white-but-not-quite" can be used to understand those hiearchies and relations among white and non-white people alike.

But unless you are ready to argue that our society is NOT based on and sustained by a cultural, ideological, institutional, and structural system of white privilege, I don't see how your point refutes the argument I have presented in my previous post.

 

[Rockslinger]

It's clearly a double standard. I'd like to see what would happen if a man wanted to join the LPGA tour.

Here are a couple more examples:

1) At Wimbledon, revenue from the men's side is used to subsidize prize money for the women so they can get equal or greater prize money (socialism at its finest). The brutal fact is that not many people want to pay money to see women play tennis.

2) Female reporters are allowed inside men's dressing rooms, male reporters are not allowed inside women's dressing rooms.

 

[red]

But unless you are ready to argue that our society is NOT based on and sustained by a cultural, ideological, institutional, and structural system of white privilege.

I disagree.

 

[genintoronto]

I disagree.

Are there fairies and unicorns too in the world you live in?

 

[red]

Are there fairies and unicorns too in the world you live in?

ah. so quick to the personal attacks? excellent.

 

[genintoronto]

ah. so quick to the personal attacks? excellent.

Uh? How was my comment a personal attack? What did I say about you?

 

[cl2k8]

I have been reading a post about someone looking for a white driving instructor, before you know it people are crying racism. I don't care what anyone says, there is discrimination against every group out there. However, it seems caucasians are the only ones who seem to get called rascists. Why is that?
Whites and men are disciminated against as well. Blacks often use racial slurs, about themselfs and whites, the government seeks out visible minorities and women(they even have quotas). How many womens only gyms are there? Imagine if someone tried to have have a Mens only gym (not that any one would go there) or someone tried to have a whites or mens only club, or a beauty pageant for white women only. There would be such an uproar. But there are womens only gyms and clubs for certain ethnic groups and ther was (I'm not sure it is still around) The African American Ms America. Aren't they disciminateing against caucasians?
Look at car Insurance. Young men are listed as high risk drivers. Granted, they do cause a fair amount of accidents. But what about Chinese drivers? I can't be the only one who knows to stay clear of them on the roads. But why don't they have to pay higher insurance? Because they would scream about discrimination. So it's ok to discimintae against all young male drivers but not Chinese drivers?
And what about Muslims? Women are second class citizens to them, and they openly hate Jewish people. I know that is not true of all of them, but when the majority stay silent and allow the minority to make them look bad, they are just as guilty. I try to treat everyone the same, but it pisses me off when some people only label whites as racist. Have a good look around and you will see racism everywhere form every different group.

All this "multi-culturalism" is designed to build racial hatred among races by getting you to focus on the superficial part of the person like the skin color.

Like wtf. I don't care what color your skin is. I don't care if you're white, black, brown, yellow, green, purple, pink, indigo, or rainbow colored. All I care about is what is in your mind.

Its actually harming racial relations if you ask me.

And btw, I'm a Filipino. A "minority". And I'm sick of racial hatred.

And based on experience, I'm just as likely to be screwed over by a fellow Filipino that to be screwed over by a white person.

Thats why I make no distinction on race.

 

[drunkmunky]

If she herself was white, I'd understand.. but she's chinese.
It's like what the French did to the French women that f*cked around with Germans during the war.
It's like denying your own color and race.. it makes me gag. Keep that shit private.. I mean seriously. If that preference was known in public, she'd be beaten up on the side of the street. The internet shouldn't be a clout of deniability. Social Responsibilities still retain with an online community.