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Did John Kerry cross the line?

bver_hunter

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Same thing as Stephen Harper’s meeting with Trump.
You absolutely nailed it. Yet all the Canadian alt right wingers throw their support behind Trump.

Go John Kerry Go. Iran battled ISIS. Cannot sat the same about Saudi Arabia who Trump admires!!
 

wigglee

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Actively engaging and supporting Iran over the USA to the point of offering guidance and advice on how to circumvent US policy.

I remember people discussing supposed violations of the Logan act by Trump team.

But this is imo a clear violation by a former SOS.
Kerry disagrees with Trump's Iran policy. Trump is the line crosser
 

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Kerry disagrees with Trump's Iran policy. Trump is the line crosser
That is not what is really going on here.

It is not that Kerry disagrees, it is that Trump policy towards I-ran is already failed policy. The Chinese are buying Iranian oil. They even got their own new oil future contracts settled in RMB which is back by gold, that is an easy way to circumvent the US dollar restrictions. Financing the oil trade between China and Iran is no problem.

The Chinese got the perfect excuse. All they going to say is that you Trump already had a deal with Iran, and you broke it and backed out of it. Why should we listen to you.

The Europeans can only watch and retreat under the threat of Trump sanctions. They want to do business with Iran, but America is stronger, it tells Europe what to do, and they do it.

What I find to be the strangest of all things about the People's Republic of China dealings in the Middle East, is that they actually are friends with everyone, including Iran and Israel, who do not get along.

Yet, we see reports like this.

Israel Is Giving China the Keys to Its Largest Port – and the U.S. Navy May Abandon Israel
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-china-the-keys-to-its-largest-port-1.6470527
 

Butler1000

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I agree.

The Democrats would be shooting themselves in the foot (Again) if they nominated Kerry.
Looking at who they are touting as probables ( Booker, Biden, Warren, Harris, and then a lower field, I won't include Bernie) it's shaping up to be another shit show for president.
 

bver_hunter

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Iran, however, supports Hezbollah and Hamas, as well as other terrorist groups.
Yes, it supports Hezbollah, but the manner in which Trump has approached this whole Middle East situation, is then unprecedented that a Sunni organization like Hamas would try to align with Iran. Remember that Saudi Arabia a US ally funded Hamas as well. The quicker the Palestinian issue is resolved the less support all these extremist organizations will have in any influence. But someone like Netanyahu who is trigger happy will never let that happen.
 

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Yes, it supports Hezbollah, but the manner in which Trump has approached this whole Middle East situation, is then unprecedented that a Sunni organization like Hamas would try to align with Iran. ....
Hamas has been funded by Iran for significant parts of it's existence. They and Hamas align on the issue of destroying Israel so they are happy to take Iran's money when the strings aren't too sticky.


The quicker the Palestinian issue is resolved the less support all these extremist organizations will have in any influence.
The war between Israel and Lebanon has been over for decades but Iran is unwilling to give up their control of Hezbollah and therefore Lebanon and has used military acts and threats to rewrite their constitution. In fact the trial for Hezbollah assassination of the former PM is still going on at the Hague.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...stice-slain-father-trial-180912083916681.html


And do you have any comment on Hamas' willingness to accept peace?
 

bver_hunter

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Hamas has been funded by Iran for significant parts of it's existence. They and Hamas align on the issue of destroying Israel so they are happy to take Iran's money when the strings aren't too sticky.




The war between Israel and Lebanon has been over for decades but Iran is unwilling to give up their control of Hezbollah and therefore Lebanon and has used military acts and threats to rewrite their constitution. In fact the trial for Hezbollah assassination of the former PM is still going on at the Hague.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...stice-slain-father-trial-180912083916681.html


And do you have any comment on Hamas' willingness to accept peace?
Well what is the primary cause for the existence of these two groups? It is the manner in which the State of Israel was created and the status of the Palestinians since then. If almost half of the Palestinians globally are still considered to be stateless, it is not surprising that organizations like the PLO and Hamas are considered to be liberation organizations by some of the nations and terrorist organizations by other nations. Israel has occupied Palestinian territories since 1948. Globally, there needs to be a solution this catastrophe. As far as Hezbollah are concerned, Israel had occupied Lebanon for almost 15 years, in support of the Christian Army. Not surprising that such divisiveness enabled Iran to then support Hezbollah and fund them as they are a predominantly Shia organization. But is Israel prepared to return the Palestinian occupied territories to the Palestinians? That is why there will never be any peace in that region and Netanyahu's approval of developing Palestinian territories with housing complexes just for the Fundamental Orthodox Jews will never ever resolve this very big issue.

To summarise, the UN has to find a solution to that problem, as there will never be peace and really the blame will always be pointed at Hamas although there is blame on all sides in that conflict. Remember that once upon a time the PLO was also considered to be a terrorist organization.
 
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