Capturing the pig who did that is more simple. Too simple for George W. Bush Jr. to complete the mission.Blackheart said:
Deportation of Muslim Extremists ?
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Same as North Vietnam....dragging out the war to allow the American anti-war demonstrators and voters to pressure the US Government to end the war.Blackheart said:
They can't defeat the military, so they're using the voters to fight their war.
All the training and planning involved...you call that simple? The London attacks were far simpiler, and may prove to be more effective. Before you could still feel safe if you weren't working/living near an important landmark. With the London subway attacks, any poor schmoe on his/her way to work is no longer safe!Blackheart said:
How about pushing a button to release a dozen 2000 pounders on an Arab town - even simpiler!
It doesn't take a moderate Muslim to believe the UK attacks are explicable. Criminal, yes. But still explicable. The British government has the responsiblity of accountability and its people deserve a complete explanation of the situation.Cinema Face said:
From the above quote you could easily substitute the word 'disbelievers' with 'Muslims' to represent your mindset. And there lies the problem with much of this debate --lack of understanding and how it fans the flames of bigotry and jeopardises a nations unity; alienating different principal groups from each other. We're going to have to intergrate rather than segregate if we want tolerance and lasting peace. Otherwise, debates like this will only heighten the hostility.Cinema Face said:
I know they're nasty verses in the bible. The Qur'an has probably 100 times more nasty verses than the bible.Asterix said:
There are key diferences with the Qur'an and the Bible.
The bible was written over a span of 1600 years. The violent verses mostly apply to the Jews conquering the promiced land after the exodus. It was approximately a 60 year period where they slaughtered the inhabitants. There are no violent verses in the new testament. Jesus nor any of his followers did any violent acts.
The Qur'an is full of violent verses depicting all sorts of despicable acts including mass murder, rape, torture and assassinations. Muhammad did 75 raid of neighbouring towns including his home town Mecca. The history of Islam spans 1400 years and they’ve had 1400 years of violence and aggression.
The Jews were forbidden to profit from their conquests. They were not allowed to plunder treasure or take slaves.
Muhammad encouraged his followers to rob, plunder and sell the children as slaves.
The crusades made up for that, didn't they.Cinema Face said:
Asterix's point I believe is that if you want to, you can find bloodthirst and intolerances in both religions. Quoting one while ignoring the other is just flamatory retoric which tends to weaken your argument.
Cinema Face said:
Frankly, I don't see much difference between them except that one was written by/for Muslims; the other written by/for Catholics.Asterix said:
Claiming that all Muslims act on Qur'an 9:5 is like saying all Catholics act on Num 33.51 and Psalms 79.6.
George OTJ said:
Yep. In addition there are some particularly nasty verses in the Bible concerning slavery, women, foreigners, and gay people (lots of those). I certainly wouldn't expect the vast majority of Christians to take these literally, or that they apply directly to their lives today.Perfect...treat 'them' with tolerance, civility and understanding. Just the attitude they expect from 'us'...the results?....more 9/11's*d* said:
George should have borrowed Israel’s playbook. Payback after the slaughter of the Munich Olympics was brutal. No Courts, no Lawyers, no Gitmo, no Nada…if nothing else…for these terrorists...the end was swiftGyaos said:
I know...and sadly your are right. OBL should be hunted down "Take-no-Prisoners-Mossad-Style"...Maybe W can take care of that...when he gets back from holidaysAsterix said:
With the following difference. Christians aren't obliged to do anything other than accept Christ as their personal savior and try to control their inner desires. Moslems are obliged to do everything the Quran tells them to do, down to the last detail.George OTJ said:
You're saying Muslims have no free will? LOL Bullshit!Truncador said:
Not every Muslim is an extremist, just as not every Christian is an extremist.
Good point. Muslims are required to "submit" and "obey." They are probably the two most commonly used words in the Qur'an. Even the "Islam" means submission. There is no choice in a Muslim society. Anyone rejecting Islam has to be killed. You're not even allowed to possess a bible. Islam is more than a religion. It's an all consuming lifestyle. In an Islamic country, you go to an Islamic school, you submit yourself to the religion and you're ruled by an Islamic dictator following Islamic law. The only way out of it is death. A total Islamic indoctrination is required to get people to do the horrific things that they do in the name of Islam.Truncador said:
Christianity is all about choice. Here are the facts, you make the choice.
I just want to make one thing clear. I don't have anything against Muslims. I've known many in my life and I've found nearly all of them to be fine people. I am currently trying to educate myself on their religion. What I've learned so far is nothing short of shocking. I have nothing against Muslims but I condemn their religion. I believe that it's time we all start to understand that this Islamic fundamentalism is the problem.
The crusades were a military response to Islamic agression when they took over the holy land.George OTJ said:
