Denying Holocaust Will be Illegal

[Frankfooter]

You're still trying to change the topic from the Holocaust to your Israel obsession. Could it be because many of the people opposed to Israel (like Iran) are also official Holocaust deniers or is it simply discussions of anti-semitism hit too close to home?

No, I'm pointing out that its hypocritical of you to attack others for racism when you've filled hundreds of pages here defending apartheid.
People in glass houses shouldn't enact apartheid, basketcase.

Until you stop defending apartheid, you should stop accusing others of racism.

 

[Frankfooter]

And if you want to clear things up...

Is there any legitimate justification for Hamas etc. gunning down Jews at a West Bank bus stop? Yes or no?
Do you think groups like AIPAC push Israel's agenda at the expense of the US? Yes or no?
Do you think that an extremist party representing less that 1% of voters is supposed to represent the views or all Israelis? Yes or no?
Do you think it acceptable that Palestinian activists targeted Jewish neighbourhoods around the world to protest Israel? Yes or no?
Do you think that Western media is beholden to a pro-Israel agenda? Yes or no?
Do you think the 7.5 million Israeli Jews have the right to self-determination? Yes or no?


And your double standard is a constant part of your world-view.

Canada backs equality.
Stop trying to demonize the natives to justify your settler colonialism.
Stop supporting apartheid.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1522141539279024128

 

[basketcase]

No, I'm pointing out that its hypocritical of you to attack others for racism when you've filled hundreds of pages here defending apartheid.
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You are quite a comedian. You make up claims about Israel and then call me racist for expressing that it's not true (and using facts to do it) even though most Western democracies have refuted that Amnesty bullshit.

Meanwhile you still are trying to turn a Holocaust thread into your Israel hatred.

 

[basketcase]

Canada backs equality.
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What a surprise, you can't answer the questions I gave you without betraying either your overt racism or betraying people like Hamas.


p.s. thanks for proving my point about justifying attacks on Jewish civilians.

No I don't.

And lets start with this problem with your statement.
You can't even tell us where the borders of Israel lie.
So are these attacks happening in Israel or Palestine?
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[Frankfooter]

You are quite a comedian. You make up claims about Israel and then call me racist for expressing that it's not true (and using facts to do it) even though most Western democracies have refuted that Amnesty bullshit.

Aw, so now you don't back Amnesty or HRW as well.
Sucks to be defending apartheid, doesn't it?

How much longer can you and Israel keep this up?

 

[barnacler]

Canada has already made it very clear that Hate Speech is not covered under any Charter rights. Is there a reason why you think speech motivated purely by hate is a good thing?


And your argument is I'm a coward? What a pathetic attempt.

You Fail to answer my question, WHO decides what is hate speech?

Why are you so terrified of having to prove your point?

You are hung up on the holocaust, I am hung up on free speech.

I in no way do not believe that millions of Jews were murdered by the Nazis.

What I do believe that allowing one group to DECIDE what is true or not and then to - Why? Feel that the opposite, - yes, potentially wrong - point of view cannot be expressed is EXTREMELY dangerous.

It is PROFOUNDLY anti-democratic. You feel that people can be fooled, therefore, YOU need to decide on their behalf what they can hear and what can influence them. The common people are stupid to you.

I say, they are NOT!

That MECHANISM, that legal means to suppress debate, is EXTREMELY dangerous, because eventually someone will abuse it.

And I repeat, how ironic is it that the Nazis used EXCATLY this technique to shut down debate themselves! Yet you embrace it!

You are essentially naively living in a state of belief that assumes that benevolent, wise , all-knowing powers in control will never abuse their power to decide what is true and what is not. I say inevitably such powers are neither benevolent nor wise.

I believe that safeguards of free speech will allow truth to prevail. You believe that - tell me who? will decide the same thing.

 

[barnacler]

It's funny how you keep asking even though it's been answered several times.

which post?

Simple question, just explain which post answered it?

 

[shack]

which post?

Simple question, just explain which post answered it?

It's been answered a half dozen times. Go reread the posts. I'm not playing your bullshit games. I can't help it if you don't have the intelligence to understand simple straight forward replies.

The whole premise of fighting for free speech is a ruse that is used by people whose real motivation is to promote anti-Semitism. They are the ONLY people questioning if the Holocaust happened.

A question that you did not reply to: Do you think that somebody should be able to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theatre even if there is no fire? That can be considered free speech.

 

[basketcase]

You Fail to answer my question, WHO decides what is hate speech?
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As I said, the elected government overseen by the courts.

 

[basketcase]

Aw, so now you don't back Amnesty or HRW as well.
Sucks to be defending apartheid, doesn't it?

How much longer can you and Israel keep this up?

You quite clearly don't back those groups when you try to argue that attacks on Jewish civilians in the West Bank are justified.

 

[Frankfooter]

You quite clearly don't back those groups when you try to argue that attacks on Jewish civilians in the West Bank are justified.

You quite clearly have lost your marbles as I have never argued that attacks on any civilians are justified.
Unlike your defence of using snipers on protesters as Israel did during the Great March of Return.

Meanwhile your settler colonialism continues to try to steal more Palestinian land for apartheid.

UN Urges Israel to Cancel Ruling to Evict 1,300 Palestinians near Hebron

The United Nations called for Israeli authorities to cancel the court's ruling to evict 1,300 Palestinians in the Masafer Yatta area.

www.palestinechronicle.com

 

[basketcase]

You quite clearly have lost your marbles as I have never argued that attacks on any civilians are justified.
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So why is your response to terror attacks to fixate on where the borders of Israel are? Why have you continually responded to terror attacks on Jews by explaining why Palestinians are justified?

And why are you obsessed with turning a Holocaust thread into another ridiculous attack on Israel?

 

[Frankfooter]

So why is your response to terror attacks to fixate on where the borders of Israel are? Why have you continually responded to terror attacks on Jews by explaining why Palestinians are justified?

And why are you obsessed with turning a Holocaust thread into another ridiculous attack on Israel?

This thread got derailed when you started accusing others of racism.
Once you bring that up its relevant and fair to note that you are still defending apartheid.
As such, your criticism isn't worth consideration.

 

[basketcase]

This thread got derailed when you started accusing others of racism.
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As you think that justifies turning a Holocaust thread into another antisemitic crusade?

And yes, it is antisemitic when you try to argue that Jewish civilians are legitimate targets if Palestinians claim the land, especially when the attacks in question were in Tel Aviv and another city inside the Green Line (and on the Israeli side of Partition Plan)

 

[Frankfooter]

As you think that justifies turning a Holocaust thread into another antisemitic crusade?

No, this was just a reminder that someone who defends apartheid shouldn't accuse others of racism.
That's it.

And yes, it is antisemitic when you try to argue that Jewish civilians are legitimate targets if Palestinians claim the land, especially when the attacks in question were in Tel Aviv and another city inside the Green Line (and on the Israeli side of Partition Plan)

Wow, what a rich fantasy life you live.
The stories you make up get more and more detailed and more and more fantasy like every day.

 

[basketcase]

No, this was just a reminder that ...

...that you're pathetically obsessed with your hatred of Israel existing and can't see criticism of anti-semitism happen without your demons making you try to change the topic.


p.s. Are you actually trying to deny that your posts this week responding to terror attacks in Tel Aviv and Elad was to question where Israel's borders were?

 

[Frankfooter]

...that you're pathetically obsessed with your hatred of Israel existing and can't see criticism of anti-semitism happen without your demons making you try to change the topic.


p.s. Are you actually trying to deny that your posts this week responding to terror attacks in Tel Aviv and Elad was to question where Israel's borders were?

This was a thread where you defended apartheid while accusing others of racism.
That's it.

Israel/OPT: Increase in unlawful killings and other crimes highlights urgent need to end Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians

Israeli authorities must end unlawful killings, willful injury, arbitrary arrests, torture and other ill-treatment, persecution and collective punishment against Palestinians, including many children, Amnesty International said in a public statement published today. In the latest incident...

www.amnesty.org

 

[jacksparrow]

Although the bulk of the scientific evidence says that human enhanced climate change is occurring, it is still a theory. As such, debating the topic is justified.

The Holocaust is a HISTORICAL FACT. It was experienced. It was documented. It's been filmed and photographed. There is absolutely no reason to discuss if it happened or not unless one is anti-Semitic and/or brainwashed by anti-Semitic propaganda. And that is why the gov't wants to make its' denial illegal. It is promoted by and further promotes racism.

Do we debate if Pearl Harbour happened? Do we debate if the US had a civil war? Do we debate if the sun rose this morning even if it was overcast? Anti-Semitism is the only reason that would cause people to want to debate this topic. Like these events the Holocaust is not a theory.

Your analogy is invalid.

You keep moving the goalposts on this Holocaust argument. Asking questions shouldn't be a crime. Celebrating what happened should be.
The issue isn't outright denial. The issue is many fold. First off being what constitutes denial. Now saying 5 999 999 perished is denial. Many of the atrocities attributed to the third reich such as skin lampshades and soap were proven to be OSS propaganda. Mentioning that will considered denial.
Norm Macdonald (RIP) would be charged because of this bs law. Listen at about 5:10 or so if so inclined.

Don't other genocides in the same breath such as the Holodomor, Armenian genocide or Potato famine deserve to be considered as abhorrent and taught?
Read the Holocaust Industry by Norman Finklestein and gain some insight into the power of some of these groups using it to extort.
We dont' debate if Pearl Harbor happened, nor the Civil War. But how much Pearl Harbor was actually a "sneak attack" and the true causes of the Civil War could be up for debate and should be.

 

[jacksparrow]

Moreover why is antisemitism equated to questioning history instead of speaking hatred? Why is questioning history anywhere near the same ballpark as uttering death threats or declaring people subhuman, etc?

I would think that 99% of holocaust denial or downplaying is actually predicate on people recognizing such an event is wrong. Wouldn't hatred of Jews lead people to celebrate it rather than downplay it?

Is this about people hating Jewish people or about Jewish people's entitlement to a group victim social status?

Bam he gets it. I take a month off and the smart people come out. Hallelujah.

 

[jacksparrow]

Because tiny hats control all the media perhaps??

Everyone knows it is the Irish who control banking, media, hollywood and the porn industry.