Delta airlines plane crash lands at Pearson airport

cumstainz

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Can someone explain to me who was responsible for landing the plane? The captain was a guy, the FO a young woman. Isn't the captain responsible for everything?
 
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There are a few things in life that I really know well,, and have direct and significant experience. Aviation is one of them. And whenever I read or watch ANYTHING to do with aviation by non-aviation writers, commentators, newscasters and other Bingo Callers, the always get things wrong. I've been involved as a direct witness to some incidents, accidents and other non-aviation newsworthy events and even then reporters get lots of unimportant things wrong Something as insignificant as calling any surface an airplane is on a or the "tarmac". This is simply NOT a term that is used in aviation. The area where the planes park around the terminal is called the Ramp or Apron. Never "tarmac".. The runway is the runway, the little roads that lead from the "RAMP" to to the runways are called taxiways. There is no such thing as "a tarmac". The term comes from an improvement in roadbuilding in the early 1800's called Macadam. It is still the basis of most road building whereby a coarse bony substrate is covered by a less coarse course of stomes and sand then the final surface included fines (sometimes now called screenings) and some sort of water or liquid to bind it together.. TARMACADAM was an improvement to MACADAM in the 1900's where tar was used to bind the top layer of fine stones. This was the early cousin of asphalt. Tarmacadam roads were still being built in the GTA until the 60's. Some rural municipalities still use it for higher traffic concession roads or where a gravel road is too dusty.


Tarmacadam hasn't been used on airport surfaces since asphalt was invented!

In any case, NO PILOT or anyone in aviation uses the word "tarmac".

So among a hundred other things that the newscasters get wrong, and the fundamentally GROSS lack of knowledge these Xitter hate mongers demonstrate in their opinions on flying, they are dead wrong about women pilots not being good pilots. I wouldn't want a 120 lb woman as a firefighter that might have to carry me out of a smoking building, but I wouldn't want a 120lb either. But I have no problems with flying with women. In fact, if I were to think about it, I would say the ratio is about 4-1 of men I'd not want to fly with than women I'd not want to fly with. Women who realize they lack the hand-eye coordination are far more likely to bail out early in flight training than a man. Women are also wayyyyy less likely to show off with a buzz job or doing surprise zoom climbs and negative G pushovers than men who want to give the impression that flying is supposed to be scary and dangerous but they are The Man! Women just don't. And most pilot error accidents are ego driven.

Don't take my word for it though. Follow Juan Browne on his blancolirio YouTube channel. HE is the real deal/. Long time military transport, fighter and waterbomber pilot. Now a long haul senior Captain flying widebodies with a major airline. This guy has flown as crew for decades and tens of thousands of hours so he knows what he is talking about when it comes to crew, pilots, co-pilots etc. Still owns and regularly flies two general aviation planes. He's also been a racer in the Reno Air Races.

Here's what he has to say about the DEI aspect

 

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Can someone explain to me who was responsible for landing the plane? The captain was a guy, the FO a young woman. Isn't the captain responsible for everything?
Yes, the Captain ultimately has the responsibility for the flight.

However, Captains and First Officers often share the role of being the "Pilot Flying" and the "Pilot Not Flying". Captains are often happy to if not eager to allow the less experienced First Officer to do much of the hand flying as they appreciated the same when they first came on the line. However, the Captain will often do the hand flying in circumstances where it is a critical phase of a particular flight, or in conditions where they are more comfortable doing the flying themself. Make no mistake though, if you are not competent, you do not get into any of the fronts seats in the pointy end.

By the looks of things after I read the more granular ADS-B data it looks like there was some sort of windshear/wind change experineced in the last 3 seconds before the impact. The approach was impressively stable, straight and with a consistent rate of descent of 800 fpm. And dead on tracking, with only a little burble to the right at the same time the rate of descent incresed to a rate of 1100 fpm 3-4 seconds before impact. And since there was no visible decrease in the angle of attack, it follows that the "sea" of air the plane was flying in fell off a wave of wind.

I think that it could stil have been avoided by a more experienced stick. Man or woman.
 
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Can someone explain to me who was responsible for landing the plane? The captain was a guy, the FO a young woman. Isn't the captain responsible for everything?
No the "pilot flying" is decided by the two before the flight, the captain might takeover if anything unusual happens.
 

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JayRoam said:
Ever since Elon and Trump fired everyone at the FAA, there has been 2 plane crashes per week. And that's in the first month of this presidency.

Very stupid post. Attach receipts before posting.
He made 2 statements both of which were factually correct.

1)Ever since Elon and Trump fired everyone at the FAA, there has been 2 plane crashes per week. Are there any factual errors there? Yes or no.
2)And that's in the first month of this presidency. Any factual errors there? Yes or no?

Seeing as he was 100% accurate in what he said, you sir, are the one who made a stupid post. Please note that OP did not draw any conclusions. Just 2 factual statements.

However your post did serve a valuable purpose.

It helped to reinforce that one of the core symptoms of someone suffering from tDS, that is trump Devotee Syndrome actually exists and is constantly on display.

You immediately became defensive of any perceived criticism of your hero cult leader and went on the attack calling his post stupid. We all know that people with tDS are completely intolerant of any criticism, real or otherwise, directed at your Lord and savior donald trump. You can't resist lashing out.

tDS is real and you are in a cult. Thanks for showing it.
 

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Ever since Elon and Trump fired everyone at the FAA, there has been 2 plane crashes per week. And that's in the first month of this presidency.
He didn't wire everyone though did he? 300 people in non critical fields were let go out of 50k employees.

You're implying that there is a correlation and there isn't any.
 

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He didn't wire everyone though did he? 300 people in non critical fields were let go out of 50k employees.

You're implying that there is a correlation and there isn't any.
Maybe you are right that there is no correlation.
The same way there is no correlation between the gender of the pilot and their qualifications to fly the plane.
 

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The same way there is no correlation between the gender of the pilot and their qualifications to fly the plane.
For the last time with you and your I will not bend ideology.

If whoever was flying was fast tracked to get their licence or command for any other reason other than merit.

Then that is not acceptable period end stop.
 

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JayRoam said:
Ever since Elon and Trump fired everyone at the FAA, there has been 2 plane crashes per week. And that's in the first month of this presidency.


He made 2 statements both of which were factually correct.

1)Ever since Elon and Trump fired everyone at the FAA, there has been 2 plane crashes per week. Are there any factual errors there? Yes or no.
2)And that's in the first month of this presidency. Any factual errors there? Yes or no?

Seeing as he was 100% accurate in what he said, you sir, are the one who made a stupid post. Please note that OP did not draw any conclusions. Just 2 factual statements.

However your post did serve a valuable purpose.

It helped to reinforce that one of the core symptoms of someone suffering from tDS, that is trump Devotee Syndrome actually exists and is constantly on display.

You immediately became defensive of any perceived criticism of your hero cult leader and went on the attack calling his post stupid. We all know that people with tDS are completely intolerant of any criticism, real or otherwise, directed at your Lord and savior donald trump. You can't resist lashing out.

tDS is real and you are in a cult. Thanks for showing it.
Translation to this post. 🤣🤣


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Shaquille Oatmeal

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If whoever was flying was fast tracked to get their licence or command for any other reason other than merit.
There is no "fast tracking" in aviation.
They take safety, skills and qualifications very, very seriously.
I am not a pilot.
But I wanted to get a private pilot license.
I was learning a little about what it took and came across people talk about their check rides and people get failed for all kinds of reasons.
I dont know where people acquired this idea that someone can be fast tracked or their skills overlooked.
This is simply not true.
PS: I am not talking about pilot misbehaviour or bad performance during a flight after they qualify though. That cannot be predicted.
 
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