Decrease in Unvaccinateds

I saw some numbers from Michigan the other day.

Unvaccinated COVID-19 hospitalizations as of Dec. 2nd.

76% of overall patients
87% of ICU patients
88% of ventilator patients

And that's with Delta. Just wait until Omicron takes over. The only thing the unvaccinated can hope for is that it's less virulent.
 
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GameBoy27 said:
I saw some numbers from Michigan the other day.

Unvaccinated COVID-19 hospitalizations as of Dec. 2nd.

76% of overall patients
87% of ICU patients
88% of ventilator patients

And that's with Delta. Just wait until Omicron takes over. The only thing the unvaccinated can hope for is that it's less virulent.
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I think those numbers go down with Omicron.
The evidence implies Omicron is good at immune escape, so the advantage might drop. It may shift again with boosters.
Mind you, it could be that the overall patient number gets more even while the ICU and ventilator numbers stay high.
 
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That's in the PHilippines...they're not really the best when it comes to fighting pandemic...
Here's a famous market during the Holidays...
 
Valcazar said:
I think those numbers go down with Omicron.
The evidence implies Omicron is good at immune escape, so the advantage might drop. It may shift again with boosters.
Mind you, it could be that the overall patient number gets more even while the ICU and ventilator numbers stay high.
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I would anticipate that there will still be some protection offered by the vaccine although perhaps not at the 90%+ effectiveness we have enjoyed thus far. Also, if trends continue, vaccines should continue to mitigate the severity of symptoms experienced by those who do get covid. The overwhelming number of hospital admissions will probably continue to be unvaccinated patients.

The pharmaceutical companies will also develop new vaccines to address the variants as they arise…but they are probably gonna be playing catch and chase with the ever-evolving variants for the foreseeable future.
 
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GameBoy27 said:
I saw some numbers from Michigan the other day.

Unvaccinated COVID-19 hospitalizations as of Dec. 2nd.

76% of overall patients
87% of ICU patients
88% of ventilator patients

And that's with Delta. Just wait until Omicron takes over. The only thing the unvaccinated can hope for is that it's less virulent.
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As of Dec 13 Michigan has more covid hospitalizations than at any point since the pandemic started, breaking the records set in November 2020.
www.michigan.gov

Statewide Available PPE and Bed Tracking

www.michigan.gov www.michigan.gov
I haven't been able to find any breakdown between vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.

But I have found these numbers
75+ fully vaccinated 78.4%
65-74 fully vaccinated 82.5%
50-64 fully vaccinated 68.9%
40-49 fully vaccinated 58.4%
 
I sometimes wish I completely lacked scruples and a conscience, because if I did, I could make a damn fortune selling sugar pills, bracelets, herbs and weeds to anti-vaxxers promising my products were 1,000 times more effective at defending people from COVID-19 and any other number of other assorted ailments.
 
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JeanGary Diablo said:
I sometimes wish I completely lacked scruples and a conscience, because if I did, I could make a damn fortune selling sugar pills, bracelets, herbs and weeds to anti-vaxxers promising my products were 1,000 times more effective at defending people from COVID-19 and any other number of other assorted ailments.
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Because of your unwillingness to accept people's decisions concerning their own health, you have already shown a lack of conscience.
And because you haven't done the proper due diligence and reviewed the real science, I have to discern that you also lack the scruples as well.
Nevertheless, carry on riding your moral high horse.
 
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K Douglas said:
Because of your unwillingness to accept people's decisions concerning their own health, you have already shown a lack of conscience.
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Are you being willfully ignorant or is your memory really that bad?

It has been explained 100's of times that people who are not vaccinated are also putting others at risk.

As well, you are prolonging lockdowns, masking, other covid protocols, crowded hospitals.

Surprise, this is not just all about you.

BTW, could you please answer the question at the beginning of my post? I'd really like to know.
 
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K Douglas said:
Because of your unwillingness to accept people's decisions concerning their own health, you have already shown a lack of conscience.
And because you haven't done the proper due diligence and reviewed the real science, I have to discern that you also lack the scruples as well.
Nevertheless, carry on riding your moral high horse.
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Or…

www.mcgill.ca

How We Know That the COVID-19 Vaccines Work

We keep hearing that the COVID-19 vaccines work but some people have asked us, “How do we know that they work?” Luckily, we have a growing trove of data that show that these vaccines are indeed effective against catching the virus, transmitting it to other people, and ending up in the hospital...
www.mcgill.ca

www.nature.com

Six months of COVID vaccines: what 1.7 billion doses have taught scientists

At a pivotal moment in the pandemic, Nature explores key questions about the vaccines that countries are racing to deliver while viral variants spread around the globe.
www.nature.com www.nature.com

www.healthline.com

Everything You Need to Know About Vaccinations

It’s important that as many people as possible get vaccinated. When enough people are vaccinated, it helps protect society and creates herd immunity.
www.healthline.com www.healthline.com

theconversation.com

A researcher’s view on COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy: The scientific process needs to be better explained

Before the pandemic, the public perceived science as infallible and inaccessible. But the opening up of research to the general public has changed that perception.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
 
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I need the "science " explained better to me. We have just extended the mask mandate, fully knowing that the virus is airborne and the masks do not protect us from the 3 microns particles.
 
K Douglas said:
Because of your unwillingness to accept people's decisions concerning their own health, you have already shown a lack of conscience.
And because you haven't done the proper due diligence and reviewed the real science, I have to discern that you also lack the scruples as well.
Nevertheless, carry on riding your moral high horse.
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What's real science for you? Is it peer reviewed? Is it Joe Rogan?

Dude real science is out there in the open. Just use PubMed for a starter.
 
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jcpro said:
I need the "science " explained better to me. We have just extended the mask mandate, fully knowing that the virus is airborne and the masks do not protect us from the 3 microns particles.
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Would you be able to understand it? Do you have a PhD? I work in healthcare research as a facilitator (in computing database mainly) but I don't know shit about the data I manipulate.

The problem is that the vast majority of us do not know science. We have not studied it. I know computers but nada about the effect of a virus in a human body. What do I do? I shut the fuck up and listen to my doctor and public health. Yes I could go back and pursue an immunology degree or something like that but I'm too old.

I have the humility to confirm I know shit about science. Have you?

For example I also know shit about wine. When I want to impress friend over a good dinner I go to lcbo and ask the expert. Sometimes he's right on. Sometimes a bit less but still beats the craps over what I would have bought.
 
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shack said:
Are you being willfully ignorant or is your memory really that bad?

It has been explained 100's of times that people who are not vaccinated are also putting others at risk.

As well, you are prolonging lockdowns, masking, other covid protocols, crowded hospitals.

Surprise, this is not just all about you.

BTW, could you please answer the question at the beginning of my post? I'd really like to know.
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K Douglas has been permanently brainwashed by his anti-vaxxer friends and the YouTube/Facebook "scientists."

I don't know how else to put this. Other than, people who don't realize how their "personal choice not to get vaccinated" affects everyone else in one way or another, are complete idiots!

I will add to your list of prolonged lockdowns, masking etc. Postponed or cancelled diagnostic appointments, treatments and surgeries. These include cancer treatments, heart and brain surgeries, hip and knee replacements. And the list goes on...
 
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GameBoy27 said:
I don't know how else to put this. Other than, people who doesn't realize how their "personal choice not to get vaccinated" affects everyone else in one way or another, are complete idiots!
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Unfortunately, that kind of an atomistic consumer model is very common beyond just the anti-vaccine crowd. There is a general problem with people thinking this is a valid model for thinking about public health.
 
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shack said:
Why waste the bandwidth? You'd deny all scientific facts anyways.
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It really is a waste of time. jcpro doesn't even understand why doctors and nurses wear masks while performing medical procedures. I mean, since they don't do anything, right? :rolleyes:
 
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