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dirtydaveiii

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Really? The majority of people think their life was better under Trump than Biden, at least that's what the polls tell you. You want a team making decisions? Who is the one he trusts the most. We don't know any of the people making the decisions then do we? I guess you are for a shadow government because the guy you're voting for is not making the decisions. People we know nothing about are. Sorry that's just ridiculous.
Therein lies the problem. People see the American President's as kings. In reality they
have very little power. Their teams construct bills but they need to be passed by a majority which includes both parties. The power of a president is their ability to form a cabinet which can construct bills which gain support from both sides. This is why Trump was rates the worst president in history. He could not get support from his own side let alone from the opposition. His only two pieces of legislation which passed were disasters - his tax cuts cost 8.2 trillion dollars and did not create any new business or jobs. His tariffs crippled farmers and was a precursor to inflation - once again this brought no new industry to America and just ended up costing more to American families.

If an American president can't get anything done because the opposition won't let him then he must resort to executive action like Obama did. Even it has its issues as trump found out with his travel ban and failure to build a wall. Trump is a failure because he didn't hire anyone capable of forming good legislation and he lacked the charisma to get votes from his own party let alone the opposition. A good president does not pick fights but rather wins over their opposition and the leaders of their allies. Trump did the opposite of this and everyone with any knowledge of politics can see this quite clearly. Unfortunately a vast number of Americans have no idea and think a vote for Trump will magically change their lives for the better but it won't.
 

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Project Warp speed did fuck all.

The vaccine was developed in Germany under the guidance of European scientist (among them a great woman scientist from Turkey). Trump took credit because the US quickly bought a billion dose to make sure to bypass other countries. Which is kind of crazy because maga does not believe in vaccines ;)

The inflation is worldwide. You know shit about global economy if you associate that to Biden.
Yes inflation is world wide, so was COVID but you seem to blame Trump for that. His build better plan raised inflation because of all the spending. You don't know shit about the economy.

You're also wrong about project Warp speed
 
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Therein lies the problem. People see the American President's as kings. In reality they
have very little power. Their teams construct bills but they need to be passed by a majority which includes both parties. The power of a president is their ability to form a cabinet which can construct bills which gain support from both sides. This is why Trump was rates the worst president in history. He could not get support from his own side let alone from the opposition. His only two pieces of legislation which passed were disasters - his tax cuts cost 8.2 trillion dollars and did not create any new business or jobs. His tariffs crippled farmers and was a precursor to inflation - once again this brought no new industry to America and just ended up costing more to American families.

If an American president can't get anything done because the opposition won't let him then he must resort to executive action like Obama did. Even it has its issues as trump found out with his travel ban and failure to build a wall. Trump is a failure because he didn't hire anyone capable of forming good legislation and he lacked the charisma to get votes from his own party let alone the opposition. A good president does not pick fights but rather wins over their opposition and the leaders of their allies. Trump did the opposite of this and everyone with any knowledge of politics can see this quite clearly. Unfortunately a vast number of Americans have no idea and think a vote for Trump will magically change their lives for the better but it won't.
If what you say is true then nobody should be afraid of Trump being President again because he doesn't have power to do much of anything let alone overthrow the government, Right? The he isn't really a threat to democracy. That's just a talking point, Correct?
 

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Yes inflation is world wide, so was COVID but you seem to blame Trump for that. His build better plan raised inflation because of all the spending. You don't know shit about the economy.

You're also wrong about project Warp speed
Inflation would have happened under Trump just as it happened under Biden. If the cost of receiving a shipment of junk from China suddenly cost 200% more all other players are affected.

Trump administration had to give farmers 30 billion package to overcome his stupid tariff... He won politically on that because people are stupid but economically it was a disaster.

And crazy to say Covid vaccine was mainly develop by immigrants, mostly in Europe and US.
 
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#TheCampaignManagers Podcast Episode 7 with
@davidplouffe
is now available. The Biden Debate Debacle was not breaking news; Americans have seen this with their own eyes and ears from Biden (and the equally unimpressive Kamala) for years. Media's job is to cover Biden, not cover FOR Biden. Many in media calling for Joe to Go are culpable in the concealment of his mental and physical decline. With post-debate polls rolling in, listen to our analysis of what it all means and what to expect next. We feature conversations with Trump campaign Senior Advisor and Comms Guru
@jasonmillerinDC
and
@WisVoter
Craig Gilbert, an expert on Wisconsin, the swingiest of swing states.
 

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Inflation would have happened under Trump just as it happened under Biden. If the cost of receiving a shipment of junk from China suddenly cost 200% more all other players are affected.

Trump administration had to give farmers 30 billion package to overcome his stupid tariff... He won politically on that because people are stupid but economically it was a disaster.

And crazy to say Covid vaccine was mainly develop by immigrants, mostly in Europe and US.
For some reason MAGA think adding tariffs to imports as part of the america first plan would make their costs lower for everything.
Inflation now is largely oil$gas profiteering, climate change crop failure and food increases and high interest rates.

None of those will be fixed by tax breaks for the rich.
 
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Therein lies the problem. People see the American President's as kings. In reality they
have very little power. Their teams construct bills but they need to be passed by a majority which includes both parties. The power of a president is their ability to form a cabinet which can construct bills which gain support from both sides. This is why Trump was rates the worst president in history. He could not get support from his own side let alone from the opposition. His only two pieces of legislation which passed were disasters - his tax cuts cost 8.2 trillion dollars and did not create any new business or jobs. His tariffs crippled farmers and was a precursor to inflation - once again this brought no new industry to America and just ended up costing more to American families.

If an American president can't get anything done because the opposition won't let him then he must resort to executive action like Obama did. Even it has its issues as trump found out with his travel ban and failure to build a wall. Trump is a failure because he didn't hire anyone capable of forming good legislation and he lacked the charisma to get votes from his own party let alone the opposition. A good president does not pick fights but rather wins over their opposition and the leaders of their allies. Trump did the opposite of this and everyone with any knowledge of politics can see this quite clearly. Unfortunately a vast number of Americans have no idea and think a vote for Trump will magically change their lives for the better but it won't.
True and false. They carry little Weight DOMESTICALLY. But are heavy weights INTERNATIONALLY AND MILITARILY.

So yes no matter what, either one, the nation is fucked. It is exposing the flaws in both parties and the system in place like no other time.
 

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So you think its good that the super rich in the US only pay 4% income tax while the rest pay way more?
The right wing playbook is to avoid discussing the issues.
you really gonna punish hard working middle class that managed to save up franky? that's a recipe that would encourage the next generation to not even try... no wonder Libs are losing their stronghold...
 
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dirtydaveiii

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True and false. They carry little Weight DOMESTICALLY. But are heavy weights INTERNATIONALLY AND MILITARILY.

So yes no matter what, either one, the nation is fucked. It is exposing the flaws in both parties and the system in place like no other time.
The president doesn't control the military although they can strike using executive orders. As far as internationally nobody can argue that Trump wasn't an international embarrassment. He had no idea what to do at summits so he babbled on as if he was at a campaign rally while his de facto wife gave fuck me eyes to Trudeau. Donnie got laughed out of every summit he was part of and did embarrassing things like pushing people out of the way and walking in front of the queen. Donnie has no business in politics and while Biden may not be as sharp as he once was a white hair on his ass is more equipped to be president than Trump
 
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dirtydaveiii

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If what you say is true then nobody should be afraid of Trump being President again because he doesn't have power to do much of anything let alone overthrow the government, Right? The he isn't really a threat to democracy. That's just a talking point, Correct?
He won't do jack shit because the republicans won't let him. They despise him too but he is their best chance to win and idiots want him. Donnie can't rewrite the constitution. He can however take bribes, which nobody doubts he was doing anyways and blatantly sell pardons and take money from counties like Saudi Arabia and Russia in exchange for favorable deals. NEWSFLASH : he was already doing that so nothing much different the economy is going to suffer regardless if he wins or loses but history has shown that the economy is always worse under a republican president
 
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