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Dear Joe, it's time to go...

Gooseifur

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That's just bullshit. Trump inherited a great economy. An amazing 8 years of presidency by Obama. Trump simply divided the country into a hateful country. Then disastrously handle the covid situation. It took Biden's team to fix it up.
Sorry It was divided before he came along. That's why he won. Omama was a great divider. A pretty good President but did nothing to bring the country together. The country was doing great until COVID. Could he have handled it better, Absolutely. Every country suffered during COVID and may i remind you more people died from COVID under Biden's watch then Trump's. The vaccines were also developed under Trump's Presidency. Project Warp speed. The Democrats tout the recovery of the most jobs gained ever. This is bullshit. Most of those jobs were jobs that people lost during COVID and getting them back. The inflation rate when Trump left was 1.4% under Biden it was over 9% because of his bad policies of spending money.
 
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richaceg

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Greece just went to a 6 day work week.
The UK is a disaster after populist rule.
France is treading with fascists.

Same issues everywhere, inflation, wage stagnation and housing cost increases.
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

So people are angry and will vote for change, even if that change will make it worse.
So your logic is...as one country dives into turmoil...it's ok as long as your boy is in charge...idiot.
 

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So your logic is...as one country dives into turmoil...it's ok as long as your boy is in charge...idiot.
No, rich.
Liberal parties globally have been shifting to the right and not fixing the big issues.
Going further right will just bring on end state capitalism faster, and while that's the butler fantasy its not mine at all.
 
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richaceg

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No, rich.
Liberal parties globally have been shifting to the right and not fixing the big issues.
Going further right will just bring on end state capitalism faster, and while that's the butler fantasy its not mine at all.
No...your fantasy is that...the rich and middle class will carry the load for everyone else... the way communists do...
 

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That's just bullshit. Trump inherited a great economy. An amazing 8 years of presidency by Obama. Trump simply divided the country into a hateful country. Then disastrously handle the covid situation. It took Biden's team to fix it up.
Trump did not inherit a great economy. Rate of growth in 2016 was 1.67%. The economy was hindered with high regulations, high taxes, low productivity and high deficits and debt. Trump increased the growth rate to 2.25%, 2.95% and 2.29% in 2017-2019 before Covid19 hit in early 2020. He did however raise the deficit each year of office going from 665B in 2017 to 984B in 2019.
 

jalimon

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Trump did not inherit a great economy. Rate of growth in 2016 was 1.67%. The economy was hindered with high regulations, high taxes, low productivity and high deficits and debt. Trump increased the growth rate to 2.25%, 2.95% and 2.29% in 2017-2019 before Covid19 hit in early 2020. He did however raise the deficit each year of office going from 665B in 2017 to 984B in 2019.
Trump gave a trillion tax cut to the rich. Then recently he promised them to give even more if they raise a billion for him. End of story. The US will continue to decay into a slum. There is nothing else to it.
 
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jalimon

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Sorry It was divided before he came along. That's why he won. Omama was a great divider. A pretty good President but did nothing to bring the country together. The country was doing great until COVID. Could he have handled it better, Absolutely. Every country suffered during COVID and may i remind you more people died from COVID under Biden's watch then Trump's. The vaccines were also developed under Trump's Presidency. Project Warp speed. The Democrats tout the recovery of the most jobs gained ever. This is bullshit. Most of those jobs were jobs that people lost during COVID and getting them back. The inflation rate when Trump left was 1.4% under Biden it was over 9% because of his bad policies of spending money.
Project Warp speed did fuck all.

The vaccine was developed in Germany under the guidance of European scientist (among them a great woman scientist from Turkey). Trump took credit because the US quickly bought a billion dose to make sure to bypass other countries. Which is kind of crazy because maga does not believe in vaccines ;)

The inflation is worldwide. You know shit about global economy if you associate that to Biden.
 
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Knuckle Ball

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Why do you think that is? Could it be that the left fucked things up so badly that people would prefer a facist?
I dunno. Fascists always have lots of reasons to explain why they’re fascists. It doesn’t mitigate the fact that they have chosen fascism.
 
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Knuckle Ball

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Its called arrogance and stubbornness. But there is no doubt in my mind he will be forced to step down by the party elite, led by Obama coalition. It will happen sometime this month.
Unfortunately, I think it’s too late.
 

dirtydaveiii

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Really? The majority of people think their life was better under Trump than Biden, at least that's what the polls tell you. You want a team making decisions? Who is the one he trusts the most. We don't know any of the people making the decisions then do we? I guess you are for a shadow government because the guy you're voting for is not making the decisions. People we know nothing about are. Sorry that's just ridiculous.
Therein lies the problem. People see the American President's as kings. In reality they
have very little power. Their teams construct bills but they need to be passed by a majority which includes both parties. The power of a president is their ability to form a cabinet which can construct bills which gain support from both sides. This is why Trump was rates the worst president in history. He could not get support from his own side let alone from the opposition. His only two pieces of legislation which passed were disasters - his tax cuts cost 8.2 trillion dollars and did not create any new business or jobs. His tariffs crippled farmers and was a precursor to inflation - once again this brought no new industry to America and just ended up costing more to American families.

If an American president can't get anything done because the opposition won't let him then he must resort to executive action like Obama did. Even it has its issues as trump found out with his travel ban and failure to build a wall. Trump is a failure because he didn't hire anyone capable of forming good legislation and he lacked the charisma to get votes from his own party let alone the opposition. A good president does not pick fights but rather wins over their opposition and the leaders of their allies. Trump did the opposite of this and everyone with any knowledge of politics can see this quite clearly. Unfortunately a vast number of Americans have no idea and think a vote for Trump will magically change their lives for the better but it won't.
 

Gooseifur

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Project Warp speed did fuck all.

The vaccine was developed in Germany under the guidance of European scientist (among them a great woman scientist from Turkey). Trump took credit because the US quickly bought a billion dose to make sure to bypass other countries. Which is kind of crazy because maga does not believe in vaccines ;)

The inflation is worldwide. You know shit about global economy if you associate that to Biden.
Yes inflation is world wide, so was COVID but you seem to blame Trump for that. His build better plan raised inflation because of all the spending. You don't know shit about the economy.

You're also wrong about project Warp speed
 
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Gooseifur

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Therein lies the problem. People see the American President's as kings. In reality they
have very little power. Their teams construct bills but they need to be passed by a majority which includes both parties. The power of a president is their ability to form a cabinet which can construct bills which gain support from both sides. This is why Trump was rates the worst president in history. He could not get support from his own side let alone from the opposition. His only two pieces of legislation which passed were disasters - his tax cuts cost 8.2 trillion dollars and did not create any new business or jobs. His tariffs crippled farmers and was a precursor to inflation - once again this brought no new industry to America and just ended up costing more to American families.

If an American president can't get anything done because the opposition won't let him then he must resort to executive action like Obama did. Even it has its issues as trump found out with his travel ban and failure to build a wall. Trump is a failure because he didn't hire anyone capable of forming good legislation and he lacked the charisma to get votes from his own party let alone the opposition. A good president does not pick fights but rather wins over their opposition and the leaders of their allies. Trump did the opposite of this and everyone with any knowledge of politics can see this quite clearly. Unfortunately a vast number of Americans have no idea and think a vote for Trump will magically change their lives for the better but it won't.
If what you say is true then nobody should be afraid of Trump being President again because he doesn't have power to do much of anything let alone overthrow the government, Right? The he isn't really a threat to democracy. That's just a talking point, Correct?
 

jalimon

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Yes inflation is world wide, so was COVID but you seem to blame Trump for that. His build better plan raised inflation because of all the spending. You don't know shit about the economy.

You're also wrong about project Warp speed
Inflation would have happened under Trump just as it happened under Biden. If the cost of receiving a shipment of junk from China suddenly cost 200% more all other players are affected.

Trump administration had to give farmers 30 billion package to overcome his stupid tariff... He won politically on that because people are stupid but economically it was a disaster.

And crazy to say Covid vaccine was mainly develop by immigrants, mostly in Europe and US.
 
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