David Miller and the Propane Explosion

[james t kirk]

Did anyone else see the National last night?

First they were interviewing a pile of local residents around the Propane disaster who stated that they had complained to their councillors at the City of Toronto about a propane fueling facility being located in a residential neighbourhood. (In the photos you could see houses RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD from the propane facility.) Apparently our good councillors basically ignored the concerns of the local residents. Didnt' even bother to respond back to them.

Anyway, the CBC gets Miller on there last night to be interviewed by Mansbridge.

Mansbridge immediately asks Miller about the claims of the local residents about having their concerns expressed to the councillors IGNORED.

And Miller side steps the question!!

Never even remotely came close to answering it. He just started to bray on about how "it's a provincial issue" and how he would like to commend the local residents for their behaviour given the circumsances.

Miller looked like a complete tool.

Mansbridge ended the interview after about 2 minutes when it was obvious that Miller was just going to dance around the issue and climb up on a soap box. I'm surprised Miller didn't say that we need to get to the "root causes" of such issues.

I can't express well enough how much of a complete useless idiot our mayor is. We'd have been better served if Mel Lastman was on the CBC with a fridge behind him than with Miller (who didn't even come back to town until a day after the incident.)

Here's a link to the interview on the CBC.

It's right at the start of the video:

The background starts at Minute 4:00

The hemming and hawing starts at about Minute 6:27

http://www.cbc.ca/national/latestbroadcast.html

 

[Mia.Colpa]

What did you expect him, or any mayor, would say in that situation???? The liability exposure would be big if there was any admission by any government official ignoring the issue.

Bottom line, it would be hard to pin anything on city council if there's nothing in writing from the residents and back from council members. They will skating for as long as they can and passing this hot potato.

 

[james t kirk]

I'd expect him to cut the political crap and answer the question honestly.

To be straight forward and to the point.

To be a leader and not an avoider.

To stop blaming the province. (Sure, they regulate propane fueling facilities, but Toronto regulates the zoning where the damn things can be built - not the province.) He's just avoiding the issue as usual. Always crying this guy.

The local residents have claimed that they expressed their concerns to the councillors and MPs and were ignored and I believe them 100%. That's how these jack asses behave. The ignore, they avoid, they use the process to string things out for years until hopefully the issue just fades away, or they get try to get more people involved who are on the other side of the fence in order to preserve the status quo.

I only hope that the residents have it in an email.

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

I had the same reaction when I saw the interview. Miller was a joke. I couldn't believe how stupidly evasive he was.

 

[Mia.Colpa]

I'd expect him to cut the political crap and answer the question honestly.

Those words are an oxymoron. Remember, this is politics. The words politics and honest, or any derivative thereof, don't belong in the same sentence.

btw, he did the same thing, being an elusive butterfly, when he was challenged by Gord Martineau on City TV.

 

[landscaper]

miller will not accept the blame for anything he is always right , just ask him. The zoneing point is relevant to a point. The previous North York zoning allowed that property use. That was supposed to be fixed by the amalgamation ten years ago when zoning was standardized. It was not and considering how log his worship has been in office a lot of that lands on him or rather the people who embarased him by not getting this done before he had to explain how its all someone elses fault because he is of course perfect.

 

[Sasha Jones]

Anytime Miller is asked a question, a serious question he wont answer it.

He did the same thing with the gun issue, instead of dealing with the problem which are the criminals, he targets the lawful owners and forces 2 clubs to shut down. He forgets that the sportsmens show features guns, he forgets that the pan am games feature shooting sports and neatly grants them exemptions....

He has done it with just about every serious issue that confronts him, sideskirts it and tries to put the focus on something else. Why people voted for this idiot is beyond my comprehension, he is slowly killing this city with his inability to deal with serious issues. Mr David "It's someone else's fault not mine" Miller.

Thank the lord!!!!!!!
I was beginning to wonder if ANYONE actually thought this of Mr.Miller
I seriously thought they must be putting something in the water down there to brainwash everyone into thinking that Davey boy is as good as royalty.

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Miller looked like a complete tool.
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See post above and............

ummmmm when DOESN'T David Miller look like a complete tool?

 

[The Crunge]

Of course politicans "skate" around issues. No news in that.

But come on now, how often do you do the same thing at work, for instance? Politics is not just played in government...it's played EVERYWHERE.

 

[chiller_boy]

. Why people voted for this idiot is beyond my comprehension.

They voted for him because of the alternatives and a generally dishonest mayoral campaign(ignoring issues that mattered). Dont forget Jacobek and Jane(forget her last name).

These are not good times for sensible political leaders in all areas of the political spectrum.

 

[bait&switch]

They just found a body...
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080810/to_explo_080811/20080811?hub=TopStories

 

[ogibowt]

this thread only serves the purpose to afford all the Miller haters to continue with the bashing....please...any mayor,being a politician will take exactly the same stance as Miller..ie..shirking responsibility,not answering direct questions,etc ect, so Sheik and JTK, take a valium, and listen to some mood music to settle you down...

 

[Mikehorn]

this thread only serves the purpose to afford all the Miller haters to continue with the bashing....please...any mayor,being a politician will take exactly the same stance as Miller..ie..shirking responsibility,not answering direct questions,etc ect, so Sheik and JTK, take a valium, and listen to some mood music to settle you down...

That's what they're hoping we'll all do. Every time I see Miller on tv I think "thank god I don't live in Toronto anymore".

 

[landscaper]

this thread only serves the purpose to afford all the Miller haters to continue with the bashing....please...any mayor,being a politician will take exactly the same stance as Miller..ie..shirking responsibility,not answering direct questions,etc ect, so Sheik and JTK, take a valium, and listen to some mood music to settle you down...

A real leader would have had some of the answer to the questions he knew would be comming. A real leader would have had a responce to the situation not try to shift the blame away from himself.

For example The zoning bylaws are being harmonized at this time this property use is allowed. We will be changing that immediatly and ensuring that the TSSA inspections were up to date .

That answer would have had the impression that his worship was not trying to shift the blame elswhere.

 

[ogibowt]

i guess all you guys are part of the 30%that actually vote municipally..politicians are what they are..we have no one else to blame but ourselves...PS..do y,all think that a piece of...like Jacobek would be any different?

 

[Larry_Fyne]

I agree that Miller is a tool, however let's be realistic.

The event happening early Sunday morning. Most of Sunday was taken up by putting out the fires and making the place safe from more explosions. Monday is the first opportunity to get into the area to have a look around.

The Fire Marshall is still investigating.

Technically, the place was zoned properly and the proper permits were issued when the business moved there. The zoning is a municipal issue.

TSSA is a Provincial body. They inspected it 3 years ago.

Who is to blame? We won't know were to start until the investigation is complete. I think Miller really can't say too much more than what he has said, because to say something else would be premature.

 

[train]

Who is to blame? We won't know were to start until the investigation is complete. I think Miller really can't say too much more than what he has said, because to say something else would be premature.

Ok let's look at this another way then.

How many of you feel that Miller will deal with what seems to be an obvious issue so that steps are taken to prevent something similar in the future ?

How many think that he will be content to point fingers at the Province ( secretly regretting that he can't blame Harper ) while banning propane barbeques

How many of you think that Hazel would have handled it this way ?

 

[OddSox]

....while banning propane barbeques

LOL!

 

[Fireflint]

He should've been a real man and just blamed it on hand-guns.

 

[Shades]

Did anyone else see the National last night?.....


Miller looked like a complete tool.



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I'm sorry, I don't agree. Tools are useful things. How could you suggest that someone that is so useless looks like something that is useful?

Please...let someone half decent, even a quarter decent, run against Miller next time.

 

[ogibowt]

Have you even seen what Miller has been up to in city council?

He's been mayor here now for 6 years and in those 6 years I've seen spending go out of control. Did you know that Mayor Miller wanted to subvert the laws concerning how city hall is run? He actually wanted to have the executive committee meet in secret instead of public, that he wanted more power as Mayor in order to be able to fire the city manager?

I'm sorry but what I see what Miller doing is dangerous. I did not vote for him and I have never missed an election. I tend to pay attention to reality and everyone knows that you cannot operate any kind of business at a loss and expect to keep going. You yourself know that you cannot spend more than you have coming in otherwise you will get yourself into a financial mess.

So until Miller gets his spending problems under control (city hall has a spending problem not a revenue problem) and starts offering REALISTIC solutions instead of passing the blame then perhaps I will stop complaining about him.

The amount of money he is wasting is incredious, all that money spent on those plastic bins while the infrastructure is crumbling, all that money spent on new timers for the traffic lights wasted while the infrastructure is crumbling. TWO FREAKING PLOWS, one following the other to do the residential streets. All that money spent on these new buses that I see constantly breaking down on the streets while the infrastructure is crumbling. Play sets at parks and schools being torn down and replaced with fancy new equipment that doesnt last as long as the original stuff being torn out all the while, the infrastructure is screaming for help. Wasting money on consultants to tear down the gardiner between the DVP and Jarvis when common sense could tell you what can happen.

I'm sorry, but there is a serious problem at city hall and while the propane incident is a major issue..... he should step up to the plate and yes we know there were complaints and they were forwarded to the appropriate authorities, the facility had been inspected and was properly insured etc etc etc. But instead he's pointing the fingers at others and saying blame them when there is no blaming required. We want to know what happened and how do we prevent it from happening again. Thats what we want to hear, not knee jerk reactions.

you are proving my point..you have an obsessive hatred for Miller and what ever he does won,t be good enough for you