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Here is another possible explanation
Here is one more theory...
Because asian culture is so male dominated, asian females don't like it. This may be one reason why asian females seek white guys. White guys find them attractive as they come from submissive culture. Sometimes white guys even prefer russian or romanian women over other white women.
Asian guys prefer asian females as they are "trained" for submissive male dominated culture. Neither white females nor asian females like male dominated culture, so asian guys are screwed. Hobbying may be the only way they can feed their ego.
If women in Saudi Arabia had a choice they would all date non-saudi men. How many white women would prefer to date saudi man -- very few, if any. It is not that white women don't find saudi guys attractive, but it may be the supressive culture that they hate. Same goes for saudi women trying to get out of saudi arabia (by dating non-saudi men); although dating non-saudi men would be impossible in saudi arabia.
We all love our freedoms, we only want our sigificant others to be more understanding and perhaps make sacrifices first before we do.
Here is one more theory...
Because asian culture is so male dominated, asian females don't like it. This may be one reason why asian females seek white guys. White guys find them attractive as they come from submissive culture. Sometimes white guys even prefer russian or romanian women over other white women.
Asian guys prefer asian females as they are "trained" for submissive male dominated culture. Neither white females nor asian females like male dominated culture, so asian guys are screwed. Hobbying may be the only way they can feed their ego.
If women in Saudi Arabia had a choice they would all date non-saudi men. How many white women would prefer to date saudi man -- very few, if any. It is not that white women don't find saudi guys attractive, but it may be the supressive culture that they hate. Same goes for saudi women trying to get out of saudi arabia (by dating non-saudi men); although dating non-saudi men would be impossible in saudi arabia.
We all love our freedoms, we only want our sigificant others to be more understanding and perhaps make sacrifices first before we do.
I agree, this thread is sort of pointless. But before you get agitated at being analyzed for being asian, remeber it was an asian who started this thread.kwong_1978 said:
Whatever. Who cares what the reasons are. We all have the same thing is common - this hobby!
I could swear that TO is more than 50% asian, and that whites are rapidaly becoming the minority.Takeda Shingen said:Asians are just a horny bunch !!!
Look at the population of India, China and Japan !!! If Asians weren't horny, it is impossible to create a population of that size.
When I first hobbied, I asked the SP "have you seen an Asian before?" In which she replied "of course! my every third client is Asian." I was shocked because tha figure is not relative to the demographics of Toronto. Asians do not consist of 1/3 of the population here in Toronto.
50% of asisns in GTA is a gross exaggeration.
Immigration from Asian countires peaked in the late 90s, just prior to the hand-over of HongKong to China. I do notice that more and more recent immigrants are from the middle east If you walk around that Yonge and Finch area, you will know what I mean. That place is getting very coloful and international.
Back to this topic of customer ethnicity, I treat this as social study topic from the very beginning, I do find that many of points posted so far are valid technically, except they may not be politically correct,
If you don't care this kind fo discussion, as someone pointed out, then just ignore this thread and more on. If it is beginning to bother some of the terbites, maybe it is time to close this thread.
And now,Hapkido, where the hell are you ? You started this shit and you have been hiding since. Better come out and make a closing statement
Immigration from Asian countires peaked in the late 90s, just prior to the hand-over of HongKong to China. I do notice that more and more recent immigrants are from the middle east If you walk around that Yonge and Finch area, you will know what I mean. That place is getting very coloful and international.
Back to this topic of customer ethnicity, I treat this as social study topic from the very beginning, I do find that many of points posted so far are valid technically, except they may not be politically correct,
If you don't care this kind fo discussion, as someone pointed out, then just ignore this thread and more on. If it is beginning to bother some of the terbites, maybe it is time to close this thread.
And now,Hapkido, where the hell are you ? You started this shit and you have been hiding since. Better come out and make a closing statement
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Interesting...
I have found this thread to be interesting reading. I myself happen to find certain East-Asian/Oriental women to be very attractive. Though I don't see Escorts, I do frequent Strip Clubs and, when I'm there, I do often tend to show a preference for the more exotic, Asian, dancers. I actually prefer Native Asians to Canadian Born Asians. I think that, for me, this is because these are different looking and different culturally than most of the women I would tend to meet in my daily life.
Immigrant Asians, like most immigrant communities over the years, tend to socialise more within their own cultural (and linguistic) community than with the mainstream population. This makes sense for many who are not as comfortable with Canadian language and culture. As a result, a Canadian born white guy like me is less likely to run into Asian-born women in a social context.
I find the particular appearance (straight long dark hair, slim or petite build, etc.) that is more common among some Asians to be appealing to me. I also find the culture, outlook, and attitudes of many Asian people to be interesting; perhaps because it can be quite different from what I usually encounter. This combination of appearance and personality leads me to seek out dancers that fit these descriptions when I am offered a selection of women from which to choose my "fantasy date". I know that I will always be able to meet Canadian-born women so, if I am paying for a fantasy experience (and that's what a SC is all about), then I will usually select something that is different from what I normally encounter.
I don't have an exclusive Asian-dancer-only policy! There are many other women that I also find appealing and attractive (and there are many Asians who don't do a thing for me). But I guess I follow a tendency to prefer a particular type...and Chinese women are often in that category.
Dating is a whole different story. When you date someone, there is an actual relationship between you and your partner. It's not enough that one finds the other interesting, the feelings have to be mutual. In addition, if dating gets past the casual stage, there has to be some kind of shared image of the future and, in many cases, family acceptance or, at least, tolerance. These factors can tend to mitigate against many inter-cultural relationships.
Besides, a fantasy is supposed to be something different from your every-day life. In real-life, I like to be able to communicate freely with my partner. In a SC encounter, it may be an entertaining challenge to work past the communication barriers of language and culture; but it's not a challenge I'd necessarily want to undertake on a daily basis!
I think this (not uncommon) misconception can be traced to the fact that the Asian poputation in th GTA has grown significantly in the last ten years. Also, many of the younger members of this community, and an increasing population of second generation (Canadian born) Asians, are tending to get more involved in many mainstream activities in this city. These factors have combined to raise the number of Asians that are visible around the city and lead to the assumption that they may be in the majority.
Recently, a study has shown that Cantonese has surpassed Italian as the second most used language in Toronto; English, of course, is still the first.
The Asian community in the GTA certainly has grown in the past decade or so but, for now, they are still far from forming a majority (not that there'd be anything wrong if they did...they just happen not to have done so).
Pyro the Pig.
I have found this thread to be interesting reading. I myself happen to find certain East-Asian/Oriental women to be very attractive. Though I don't see Escorts, I do frequent Strip Clubs and, when I'm there, I do often tend to show a preference for the more exotic, Asian, dancers. I actually prefer Native Asians to Canadian Born Asians. I think that, for me, this is because these are different looking and different culturally than most of the women I would tend to meet in my daily life.
Immigrant Asians, like most immigrant communities over the years, tend to socialise more within their own cultural (and linguistic) community than with the mainstream population. This makes sense for many who are not as comfortable with Canadian language and culture. As a result, a Canadian born white guy like me is less likely to run into Asian-born women in a social context.
I find the particular appearance (straight long dark hair, slim or petite build, etc.) that is more common among some Asians to be appealing to me. I also find the culture, outlook, and attitudes of many Asian people to be interesting; perhaps because it can be quite different from what I usually encounter. This combination of appearance and personality leads me to seek out dancers that fit these descriptions when I am offered a selection of women from which to choose my "fantasy date". I know that I will always be able to meet Canadian-born women so, if I am paying for a fantasy experience (and that's what a SC is all about), then I will usually select something that is different from what I normally encounter.
I don't have an exclusive Asian-dancer-only policy! There are many other women that I also find appealing and attractive (and there are many Asians who don't do a thing for me). But I guess I follow a tendency to prefer a particular type...and Chinese women are often in that category.
Dating is a whole different story. When you date someone, there is an actual relationship between you and your partner. It's not enough that one finds the other interesting, the feelings have to be mutual. In addition, if dating gets past the casual stage, there has to be some kind of shared image of the future and, in many cases, family acceptance or, at least, tolerance. These factors can tend to mitigate against many inter-cultural relationships.
Besides, a fantasy is supposed to be something different from your every-day life. In real-life, I like to be able to communicate freely with my partner. In a SC encounter, it may be an entertaining challenge to work past the communication barriers of language and culture; but it's not a challenge I'd necessarily want to undertake on a daily basis!
If the first part of that statement was true, then whites would already be in the minoity. For better or for worse, this is not the case.
I think this (not uncommon) misconception can be traced to the fact that the Asian poputation in th GTA has grown significantly in the last ten years. Also, many of the younger members of this community, and an increasing population of second generation (Canadian born) Asians, are tending to get more involved in many mainstream activities in this city. These factors have combined to raise the number of Asians that are visible around the city and lead to the assumption that they may be in the majority.
Recently, a study has shown that Cantonese has surpassed Italian as the second most used language in Toronto; English, of course, is still the first.
The Asian community in the GTA certainly has grown in the past decade or so but, for now, they are still far from forming a majority (not that there'd be anything wrong if they did...they just happen not to have done so).
Pyro the Pig.
That's right hehehe !
In our family, it is really my mom who has all the power. And in our extended family, it's my grandmother.
Besides, if Asian culture is as oppressive as you guys say it is, how come Asia has had so many women in positions of power such as Prime Ministers of India, Indonasia, Pakistan, Philippines and Bangledash? If Asians have no respect for their women and treat them like submissive sexual objects, do you think Asian women can obtain such high positions? And to extend the argument, three of the countries listed above happen to be Muslim. But wait, according to Hollywood/media/academics, Muslim women are oppressed because they have to hide their faces behind a headdress and are not permited to wear makeup.
If Westerners still think that Asians and Asia is stagnant and halted, ruled by Sultans, Emperors and Kings ... you don't know shit about Asia or Asians. Just like if Asians still think the West is still dominated by Victorian values, where the monarchy still has power, etc. etc., they don't know shit about the West.
In our family, it is really my mom who has all the power. And in our extended family, it's my grandmother.
Besides, if Asian culture is as oppressive as you guys say it is, how come Asia has had so many women in positions of power such as Prime Ministers of India, Indonasia, Pakistan, Philippines and Bangledash? If Asians have no respect for their women and treat them like submissive sexual objects, do you think Asian women can obtain such high positions? And to extend the argument, three of the countries listed above happen to be Muslim. But wait, according to Hollywood/media/academics, Muslim women are oppressed because they have to hide their faces behind a headdress and are not permited to wear makeup.
If Westerners still think that Asians and Asia is stagnant and halted, ruled by Sultans, Emperors and Kings ... you don't know shit about Asia or Asians. Just like if Asians still think the West is still dominated by Victorian values, where the monarchy still has power, etc. etc., they don't know shit about the West.
I am not trying to sterotype any community. I am just providing theories (untested) to explain that there may be several reasons why asians see SPs or why asians don't date white women.
I am not surprised that people criticized my theories because there is not one rule that can explain all human behavior. Although I believe that some of the things I said are somewhat true.
I am not surprised that people criticized my theories because there is not one rule that can explain all human behavior. Although I believe that some of the things I said are somewhat true.
Not that I want to defend Big Daddy, but his theory does have some basis. I am aware of the changes made in Asia in rercent yers, which allow women to be in high places, like the prime minister of Indonesia and Phillipines, but by and large,women are still way behind men in terms of status and power.
I have been told by some Asian MPAs and SPs that in general, caucasian customers treat them with more respect. One of them was a former star escort with TOG, and this was one of the reasons that she did not see asian customers.
Personally, I believe in North America, such asian males chauvinists are in the minority. If asisn femalesstill have this notion that asian males are chauvinists, then it tough luck for asian males. That is the point I was trying to make.
I have an asian friend in S.F. whose daughter made it quite clear to her father that she does not like asian culture and she does not want to date asian guys period. There is not a damm thing that old man can do .
I have been told by some Asian MPAs and SPs that in general, caucasian customers treat them with more respect. One of them was a former star escort with TOG, and this was one of the reasons that she did not see asian customers.
Personally, I believe in North America, such asian males chauvinists are in the minority. If asisn femalesstill have this notion that asian males are chauvinists, then it tough luck for asian males. That is the point I was trying to make.
I have an asian friend in S.F. whose daughter made it quite clear to her father that she does not like asian culture and she does not want to date asian guys period. There is not a damm thing that old man can do .
Hey Ice Dog. I heard your screams of closure 
. Gee I thought this thread was going to die a fast death and lo and behold it's still up there.
To those who are "sick" of this psycho bable, I believe this discussion is healthy and breaks down perceptions and stereotypes. Perceptions or judgements are based on media and re-enforced by a specific segments and sub-segments of the asian population and culture. I
It still never ceases to amaze me the innocent ignorance of some people. This is maybe due to their lack of meaningful or narrow interaction with asian people. Hopefully through discussions like these it makes these individuals pause, rethink and say hmmmmmmmm. I think what we all learned from this is that "don't paint a group with a broad brush.
. Gee I thought this thread was going to die a fast death and lo and behold it's still up there. To those who are "sick" of this psycho bable, I believe this discussion is healthy and breaks down perceptions and stereotypes. Perceptions or judgements are based on media and re-enforced by a specific segments and sub-segments of the asian population and culture. I
It still never ceases to amaze me the innocent ignorance of some people. This is maybe due to their lack of meaningful or narrow interaction with asian people. Hopefully through discussions like these it makes these individuals pause, rethink and say hmmmmmmmm. I think what we all learned from this is that "don't paint a group with a broad brush.
Submissive asian women? I travelled to china on an extended 3 month trip last year and I can say the women friend and relatives I met were definitely not submissive and were independant, intelligent and career oriented . These women were married to husbands who were in my opinion more submissive. Of course this wasn't a stastically significant sample size . I also found this in japan after living there for years. Caucasin guys I think you been watching tooo much asian porn! hihihiihi.
"I have been told by some Asian MPAs and SPs that in general, caucasian customers treat them with more respect. One of them was a former star escort with TOG, and this was one of the reasons that she did not see asian customers."
Oh really? I have seen all the so called stars at TOG.
"I have an asian friend in S.F. whose daughter made it quite clear to her father that she does not like asian culture and she does not want to date asian guys period. There is not a damm thing that old man can do "
So what's your point? I can list a number of asian females who won't date a white guy because she doesn't find them appealing physically.
. I also found this in japan after living there for years. Caucasin guys I think you been watching tooo much asian porn! hihihiihi. "I have been told by some Asian MPAs and SPs that in general, caucasian customers treat them with more respect. One of them was a former star escort with TOG, and this was one of the reasons that she did not see asian customers."
Oh really? I have seen all the so called stars at TOG.
"I have an asian friend in S.F. whose daughter made it quite clear to her father that she does not like asian culture and she does not want to date asian guys period. There is not a damm thing that old man can do "
So what's your point? I can list a number of asian females who won't date a white guy because she doesn't find them appealing physically.
Ice_Dog,
Let me response to you post with a few pointers of my own.
1) "but by and large,women are still way behind men in terms of status and power..." Shit dude, the statement you just said can be made about any frickin culture on earth.
2)"I have been told by some Asian MPAs and SPs that in general, caucasian customers treat them with more respect..." Really? Interesting, well I've been told by many SPs and MPAs that I treat them with more respect than caucasian customers. They even tell me that all most of their caucasian clients are fat, smelling, bald guys. Do I clump all "white" clients into the "Fat, smelling, balding" category? HELL NO!!!
3) "I have an asian friend in S.F. whose daughter made it quite clear to her father that she does not like asian culture..." Well, I've dated a few Caucasian girls who exclusively go out with Asian guys. Would I make a generalization that all white girls are the same because I have experienced this. HELL NO!!!
You see, that's the reason I am so pissed off at people trying to make generalization based on a few observations. This kind of bullshit just perpetuate stupid stereotypes.
Let me response to you post with a few pointers of my own.
1) "but by and large,women are still way behind men in terms of status and power..." Shit dude, the statement you just said can be made about any frickin culture on earth.
2)"I have been told by some Asian MPAs and SPs that in general, caucasian customers treat them with more respect..." Really? Interesting, well I've been told by many SPs and MPAs that I treat them with more respect than caucasian customers. They even tell me that all most of their caucasian clients are fat, smelling, bald guys. Do I clump all "white" clients into the "Fat, smelling, balding" category? HELL NO!!!
3) "I have an asian friend in S.F. whose daughter made it quite clear to her father that she does not like asian culture..." Well, I've dated a few Caucasian girls who exclusively go out with Asian guys. Would I make a generalization that all white girls are the same because I have experienced this. HELL NO!!!
You see, that's the reason I am so pissed off at people trying to make generalization based on a few observations. This kind of bullshit just perpetuate stupid stereotypes.
People stop fighting. I don't think it is appropriate to denounce any culture or person if you don't like his/her arguments. Ice dog is speaking from his experience, you can share yours, but it seems like a lot of you are getting rebellious on this thing.
First of all, do you know why the Taj Mahal was built? To commemorate a WOMEN!ice_dog said:
Secondly, India, Pakistan and Bangledesh having female Prime Ministers is not "recent".
Thirdly, the oppression and subjugation of women in not uniquely or exclusively Asian (as noted by Kwong). In fact, if you look it up, Qing Dynasty women were allowed to hold property where as the Victorian women were not.
Fourthly, how many Great and powerful women are from the West? One in Queen Victoria. How about the non-Western world? Let me count them for you: 1) Cleopatra of Egypt 2) Catherine the Great of Russia (yes she is White, but Russia has never been labeled part of "the West") 3) Empress Wu of Tang China 4) Empress Cuxi from Qing China. And if you want, I can also include the Sun Goddess of Japan (but she is mythological so I won't).
Lastly, why are the White dudes analyzing us for? I say we do the same for White dudes and disucss why they see Asian SPs/MPAs, or would that be politically incorrect?
PS - this is a good discussion and would like to keep it that way without any personal attacks or flames.
Some facts instead of opinions.
Perhaps we should look at some facts, instead of only stating opinions, and not try to turn those facts into sweeping generalisations.
Here are some facts that I know to be true. They do not represent the "whole truth" (whatever that is) and they do not represent my personal moral perspective; but they are facts none-the-less and it may help the discussion in progress to recognise that they are true statements.
I completely agree with those of you who have defended gainst the use of stereotypes in this thread and I respect your willingness to voice these views. Every individual is unique and it is not only unfair, but also inaccurate, to draw conclusions about him, or her, from the perceived behaviour of an entire population. However, it is also naive (and wrong) to act as though stereotypes don't exist and to make the assumption that people do not respond to them.
I know many men who actively seek Asian women because they expect them to be submissive. I know many Asian women who seek Canadian men because they expect them to be more open-minded. These are actual motivations for actual people. Even if the reasons behind these actions are based on false assumptions, it is still those assumptions that drive the behaviour.
Pyro.
Perhaps we should look at some facts, instead of only stating opinions, and not try to turn those facts into sweeping generalisations.
Here are some facts that I know to be true. They do not represent the "whole truth" (whatever that is) and they do not represent my personal moral perspective; but they are facts none-the-less and it may help the discussion in progress to recognise that they are true statements.
- Regardless of whether it is always, sometimes, or never true, many western males have the perception that Asian females are more submissive than western females. Some western males are attracted to submissive women and, as a result, many seek Asian GFs or wives for this reason.
- Regardless of whether it is always, sometimes, or never true, many Asian women have the perception that western men are more sensitive and egalitarian in their relationships. As some Asian women are attracted to these qualities, they sometimes seek out Western BFs or husbands for this reason.
- Much more so than Canada, China is country where the urban and rural cultures are quite different from each other. Urban Chinese are very modern and, in many respects, reject a majority of their old traditional values in favour of their new modern culture. Rural Chinese tend to be far more traditional and (what we would call) old fashioned. The rural population of China is the overwhelming majority but the news and education we tend to receive about China is primarily derived from the urban environment. As a result, many Urban Chinese women enjoy even greater freedom and independence than many Canadian women. However, the same is not true to the same extent for rural Chinese women.
- A recent study has shown that China leads the world in incidences of spousal physical abuse. Usually it is the wife that is the victim in these crimes. This does not mean that all (or even most) Chinese men are abusive but it does mean that a greater proportion of them are susceptible to violent behaviour toward their spouse or partner than (for example) Canadian men. The Chinese government was sufficiently convinced that this was a problem that they undertook a massive public service campaign starring top Chinese movie and television personalities to try to educate their population that hitting one's spouse was wrong.
- Many Chinese women who were born in Canada refuse to date Chinese born men because they perceive these men to be the sort who want to dominate a woman into serving in a traditional domestic role. Again, this behaviour on the part of many Chinese Canadian women is true, even if their reasons are poorly considered.
I completely agree with those of you who have defended gainst the use of stereotypes in this thread and I respect your willingness to voice these views. Every individual is unique and it is not only unfair, but also inaccurate, to draw conclusions about him, or her, from the perceived behaviour of an entire population. However, it is also naive (and wrong) to act as though stereotypes don't exist and to make the assumption that people do not respond to them.
I know many men who actively seek Asian women because they expect them to be submissive. I know many Asian women who seek Canadian men because they expect them to be more open-minded. These are actual motivations for actual people. Even if the reasons behind these actions are based on false assumptions, it is still those assumptions that drive the behaviour.
Pyro.
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