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Butler1000

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1962 was not about Cuba threatening the USA, it was about the USSR using Cuba to do that. Having such a country in a close proximity is a threat.
Dude, right now it is essentially a medieval siege of the island. No oil means no power, no water, no food, and let things break down to starvation.

Do you support this?
 

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I was surprised once to see a pumpjack from the bus on a trip from Varadaro to Havana once.
I knew that Cuba had little or no oil.
 

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Dude, right now it is essentially a medieval siege of the island. No oil means no power, no water, no food, and let things break down to starvation.

Do you support this?
Actually, yes. Or do you prefer airstrikes or boots on the ground? Any alternative way to take down the Cuban government?
 

Butler1000

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Actually, yes. Or do you prefer airstrikes or boots on the ground? Any alternative way to take down the Cuban government?
Why is it the USA's business who is in charge? I thought Trimp was elected on less wars?

You are framing this as it must happen this way. That Cuban deaths must happen at the hands of the USA.

Why are you supporting killing Cubans?
 

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Why is it the USA's business who is in charge? I thought Trimp was elected on less wars?

You are framing this as it must happen this way. That Cuban deaths must happen at the hands of the USA.

Why are you supporting killing Cubans?
For the same reasons why it is Israel's business who is in charge in Iran and Palestine or Europe's business who is in charge in Russia: security. Early intervention saves lots of lives and money in the future.
 

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Cuba has been good for the past how many decades now?
Define good. For Cubans? Definitely no (why so many die trying to boat to the USA?). For USA: after USSR collapse, Cuba was not a threat anymore, but with what Russia is doing now, Cuba may as well be in the future. For Canadians? It was a vacation and sex-tourism paradise. So, yes, Canadians will suffer, especially the TERB male population.
 
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Butler1000

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For the same reasons why it is Israel's business who is in charge in Iran and Palestine or Europe's business who is in charge in Russia: security. Early intervention saves lots of lives and money in the future.
In other words, it isn't. This imperialism at its finest.

Btw "security" is the same excuse Trimp is using for annexing Greenland and Canada.

Do you really think they will be greeted as liberators?
 

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For the same reasons why it is Israel's business who is in charge in Iran and Palestine or Europe's business who is in charge in Russia: security. Early intervention saves lots of lives and money in the future.
So if the rest of us thought you were a security concern we could also practice 'early intervention', whatever that means?
Isn't that the political equivalent of a sucker punch cuz you don't like the way someone looks?
 

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That was my first thought, Russia is already in a mess because of the war. maybe China but do they want to challenge Trump?
The Chinese navy is a loooooong way from Cuba.
 
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princekwekua

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In other words, it isn't. This imperialism at its finest.

Btw "security" is the same excuse Trimp is using for annexing Greenland and Canada.

Do you really think they will be greeted as liberators?

Looks like you haven't read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell. And if you have, then you did not understand the practicality.

What is happening in Cuba is a classic illustration of what he wrote: All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.
Cuba is supposed to be an egalitarian communist country. But the elite of the Communist Party have looted resources of the country and live like kings while the teeming majority are left with crumbs.
With the weather suitable for year round farming and plenty of rainfall, Cuba should be a bread basket. Yet, it is woefully short of producing enough food for domestic consumption. And that is why people are starving.
The Eastern Region of Cuba has resources like the Nickel Belt of Sudbury. Nickel, cobalt, chromium, iron ore, gold, etc. are found in abundance. I have attached an article for your reference.
But production is led by the corrupt elite so they can steal and live in the lap of luxury. If it was opened to private investment, mining will boom to the benefit of more Cubans. And the government will be able to import petroleum products.

The embargo imposed by the US only applies to US products. There is no general embargo. Which means, if the economy was managed efficiently, Cuba can purchase what it wants from anywhere outside the US.
The US thinks applying pressure will cause the population to rise up and overthrow the corrupt elite. Unfortunately, its not going to work.
The corrupt elite have an elite defence force with monopoly on heavy weaponry.
Any attempt at an insurrection will lead to as much slaughter as is necessary for suppression. And the world will sit and watch in silence. Ask the Iranians
 
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Butler1000

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Looks like you haven't read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell. And if you have, then you did not understand the practicality.

What is happening in Cuba is a classic illustration of what he wrote: All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.
Cuba is supposed to be an egalitarian communist country. But the elite of the Communist Party have looted resources of the country and live like kings while the teeming majority are left with crumbs.
With the weather suitable for year round farming and plenty of rainfall, Cuba should be a bread basket. Yet, it is woefully short of producing enough food for domestic consumption. And that is why people are starving.
The Eastern Region of Cuba has resources like the Nickel Belt of Sudbury. Nickel, cobalt, chromium, iron ore, gold, etc. are found in abundance. I have attached an article for your reference.
But production is led by the corrupt elite so they can steal and live in the lap of luxury. If it was opened to private investment, mining will boom to the benefit of more Cubans. And the government will be able to import petroleum products.

The embargo imposed by the US only applies to US products. There is no general embargo. Which means, if the economy was managed efficiently, Cuba can purchase what it wants from anywhere outside the US.
The US thinks applying pressure will cause the population to rise up and overthrow the corrupt elite. Unfortunately, its not going to work.
The corrupt elite have an elite defence force with monopoly on heavy weaponry.
Any attempt at an insurrection will lead to as much slaughter as is necessary for suppression. And the world will sit and watch in silence. Ask the Iranians
Except now there is a blockade. No fuel means no sewage treatment means no clean water. Leads to disease. No food imports means starvation.

How many need to die? What number is acceptable losses to you?
 

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Looks like you haven't read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell. And if you have, then you did not understand the practicality.
I have read Animal Farm. As I recall, when the humans tried to take back the farm, the animals banded together to drive them off.

Regardless of how bad the ruling pigs were, the outside humans weren't helping the animals on the farm. In this case, they could start by letting the fuel through.
 

princekwekua

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Except now there is a blockade. No fuel means no sewage treatment means no clean water. Leads to disease. No food imports means starvation.

How many need to die? What number is acceptable losses to you?
Your level of comprehension is very low. The fucking US blockage only applies to US goods. Cuba is free to import goods from other countries if not for the corrupt elite
 

Butler1000

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Your level of comprehension is very low. The fucking US blockage only applies to US goods. Cuba is free to import goods from other countries if not for the corrupt elite
Dude. They are fully blockading now.

In Cuba, people go without foo...

So who isn't comprehending now? They have shut down all oil tankers. Which again means no fuel. No power. No clean water, no food coming in.

Care to re assess your opinion. Feel free to look up the latest news first.
 
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princekwekua

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Dude. They are fully blockading now.

In Cuba, people go without foo...

So who isn't comprehending now? They have shut down all oil tankers. Which again means no fuel. No power. No clean water, no food coming in.

Care to re assess your opinion. Feel free to look up the latest news first.
Cuba was receiving oil free of charge from Venezuela. That has been terminated.
If they had money, they could purchase oil from the black market very easily. They dont have money.
Iran and Russia are supposed to be under sanctions by US and other countries.
Trump threatened sanctions against countries buying oil from those countries.
They are still doing brisk business internationally
 

Butler1000

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Cuba was receiving oil free of charge from Venezuela. That has been terminated.
If they had money, they could purchase oil from the black market very easily. They dont have money.
Iran and Russia are supposed to be under sanctions by US and other countries.
Trump threatened sanctions against countries buying oil from those countries.
They are still doing brisk business internationally
Dude. They US navy already turned back a black market Russian oil tanker. It's a BLOCKADE. Not sanctions or just an embargo.

It's why they ran out of fuel
 

Frankfooter

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Cuba was receiving oil free of charge from Venezuela. That has been terminated.
If they had money, they could purchase oil from the black market very easily. They dont have money.
Iran and Russia are supposed to be under sanctions by US and other countries.
Trump threatened sanctions against countries buying oil from those countries.
They are still doing brisk business internationally
Cuba's biggest problem is american sanctions.
Now their biggest problem is still american sanctions.

america is the problem, not Cuba.

 
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