Crooked Cops?

[syn]

thank goodness for the increase in use of camera phones to tape such incidents. i am sure that the guy on the bike must have been able to sue for a large sum of money for such an unprovoked assault. i hope the officer was fired immediately after the video surfaced. and i hope his previous cases are reviewed to determine if there have been any miscarriages of justice.

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[Esco!]

i hope the officer was fired immediately after the video surfaced.

Yeah good luck with that, he was placed on desk duty afterwards (probably with pay).
Then on foxnews it says he was "stripped of his badge", which could mean just temporary suspension till it blows over.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392901,00.html

But here's the real kicker, Christopher Long the cyclist who got knocked over was himself arrested because he was obstructing traffic in the heart of Times Square, the complaint said. He was also charged with attempted assault, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.

The complaint said Long deliberately steered his bicycle into the officer, causing both to fall to the ground.

Rriiiggghhttttt

It was a full-fledged attack on the cop, who was merely acting in self-defense

 

[tboy]

Now I will admit, them exaggerating to make the charges stick was definitely not cool but may you all can come up with a better way for a cop on foot to stop a bicyclist? (especially if the cop yells for you to stop on you don't).....

 

[Esco!]

but may you all can come up with a better way for a cop on foot to stop a bicyclist? (especially if the cop yells for you to stop on you don't).....

Tboy, I'm not anti-police at all. I am anti-corrupt police though.
Do I mind if the cops give some fuckhead a beating after he robbed and beat up some old lady, absolutely not. I'd prolly do the same.

But there's a limit and a line you shouldnt cross, that cop there crossed that line.
And whats worse he charged the victim with assault on him, a complete flip-flop of what really happened.

Makes me wonder who else he falsely imprisoned

 

[tboy]

Still, you didn't answer the question: how is a cop supposed to stop a bicyclist breaking the law and not voluntarily stopping?

As I said, falsifying the facts to make the charges stick wasn't cool but considering if you poke a cop in the chest to make a point, that's assault. I can see buddy on the bike taking a swing at the cop for knocking him off and again, that is assault as well. In addition, if a cop tries to put you in cuffs and you resist at all, that is resisting arrest (whether the arrest was warranted or not).

I know some cops abuse their authority but really, how dumb does one have to be to fight with a guy who has a) a gun and b) the authority to use it?

 

[Esco!]

Oh FFS, I cant believe Tboy is making me type this much

Still, you didn't answer the question: how is a cop supposed to stop a cyclist breaking the law and not voluntarily stopping?

Oh gee Tboy, cyclists move at over 300 miles an hour, you're right its very hard to stop a cyclist.

As I said, falsifying the facts to make the charges stick wasn't cool but

Wasnt cool Tboy??? Smart cars arent cool, what he did was totally illegal!

but considering if you poke a cop in the chest to make a point, that's assault

Where did the cyclist poke the cop????? (and please dont say in the police report)

In addition, if a cop tries to put you in cuffs and you resist at all, that is resisting arrest (whether the arrest was warranted or not).

Err again, where was the "putting in handcuffs" part???
You mean when he was lying on the pavement???

I know some cops abuse their authority but really

No way Tboy, they would never do that.

how dumb does one have to be to fight with a guy who has a) a gun and b) the authority to use it?

Pretty dumb, which is exactly why he didnt do that, at least on the video he didnt.


Seriously, why do I even bother with these threads???!!!

 

[tboy]

Oh FFS, I cant believe Tboy is making me type this much


Oh gee Tboy, cyclists move at over 300 miles an hour, you're right its very hard to stop a cyclist.

Ok, so I'm still waiting for your suggestions as to a better way to stop him.....


Wasnt cool Tboy??? Smart cars arent cool, what he did was totally illegal!

You say toMATo I say TOmato, in the end it's the same thing....

Where did the cyclist poke the cop????? (and please dont say in the police report)

Example to prove the point that anytime you even "touch a cop, that's assault".....

Err again, where was the "putting in handcuffs" part???
You mean when he was lying on the pavement???

See above......

No way Tboy, they would never do that.

And your point is what? That you like to type?


Pretty dumb, which is exactly why he didnt do that, at least on the video he didnt.

Again, the statement was yet another example of how one can be charged with resisting.......

Seriously, why do I even bother with these threads???!!!

So, the cop stopped a cyclist, arrested him, and falsified (possibly) reports.

So let's send him to the pen for 45 yrs....or better yet, execute him. I mean hell, they already put him on desk duty and took his badge, what more to you want? Blood? Will that be enough?

Again, I wholeheartedly support the police for doing a shit job with most people just itching to shoot them down. Considering all the crap that they put up with and all the arrests they make only to have the arrestees released before the paperwork is filled out by lienient judges if a cop pushes someone off a bike who is taking part in an illegal protest then I agree, execute the fucker......

 

[Esco!]

Goodnight Tboy,

I'm off to the Rail soon

 

[fuji]

1) That cop did NOT "almost kill a cyclist"....lol....that's funny!

In point of fact he put the cyclists life in danger.

2) As for charging him, I don't know what that "event" was, but with 2 cops standing in the middle of the road I don't think it was authorized.

Cyclists have a right to ride on the road. Do you have any indication the cyclist who was assaulted by the officer was doing anything illegal? It looked legal to me.

3) If the cop pointed at him or gave indication for the bicyclist to stop, the biker should have stopped.

The video shows no such thing, nor is a violent takedown proper police protocol for a minor traffic violation.

4) Alluding back to the thread about dangerous bicyclists, that is what my buddy and I did to a punk who was zipping along the sidewalk narrowly missing 2 other buddies in front.

Too bad no-one had a video, so that you too could be charged with the criminal assault you are guilty of.

 

[fuji]

As I said, falsifying the facts to make the charges stick wasn't cool but considering if you poke a cop in the chest to make a point, that's assault.

In Canada poking someone in the chest to make a point is not assault. I don't know about New York, I assume that it would not be assault there either.

Don't confuse this with something like spitting where harm of some form is done.

I can see buddy on the bike taking a swing at the cop for knocking him off and again, that is assault as well.

Depends. If the cop continued to assault him it could easily be self defense. Still not a smart thing to do, but if the officer was committing criminal assault on him hitting back is not going to result in a charge against thim that sticks.

It depends on context.

Of course I agree with your point though--you are better off arguing with a judge than fighting with a cop.

 

[Esco!]

As much as I hate to say it, I'm starting to like Fuji
It's a scary thing though!



*cracks open beer number 15, dammit*

 

[Aardvark154]

In Canada poking someone in the chest to make a point is not assault. I don't know about New York, I assume that it would not be assault there either.

I'm not sure about New York, but in a fair number of U.S. States that very much is assault (or battery in those that still make the distinction).

 

[fuji]

I'm not sure about New York, but in a fair number of U.S. States that very much is assault (or battery in those that still make the distinction).

For it to be criminal assault there usually has to be injury or at least the perceived threat of injury, or it has to somehow be offensive. I guess it depends on how it's done, whether it's done in an insulting or threatening way.

 

[S.C. Joe]

People need to keep their hands off other people--I hate being poke in the chest. A pat on the back is cool but thats about it.

Some of these cyclists seem to be real jerks. I don't know if its cause they get very tried riding their bikes--then some guys in cars are real jerks as well. We had one jerk riding his bike on the freeway here--say Toronto had a whole group of them a few months ago. Not trying to stick up for a cop but I can see how some cyclists can get people upset and act like a jerk as well.

 

[basketcase]

While looking for something on for the thread on lawsuits in Canada, I came across this case which shows the 'equal treatment' police receive..

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...6/officer-who-assaulted-man-loses-appeal.aspx

Police officer arrests Somali youth for assaulting and officer, youth faces deportation over it. Video comes out of the incident showing a completely different story and charges are dropped. Police officer charged and convicted of assault - 30 days in jail. He is allowed to serve on weekends of which he served 4 before being granted bail. Case goes to appeal which the cop loses again. All the while, he continues to receive his paychecks.

A cop who instead of being in jail continues to be payed by the police for sitting at home even though he filed a false report which would have seen the kid deported, was convicted and lost an appeal.

On the positive side, the kid received an undisclosed settlement.

 

[Jade4u]

I would not consider someone poking someone to get attention or to make a point to be assault. But, I must admit I hate it and feel it rude when someone even pokes me on my shoulder to get my attention. I would not mind them laying thier hand on my shoulder to get my attention however. I just hate that tap tap tapping. My Mother even taught me never to tap on people and told me this is rude and I must admit now I find it annoying myself. People that do that to me I may stay pleasant with but it makes me angry feeling inside. Myself I just speak someones name or put my hand on them lightly etc...

 

[Aardvark154]

For it to be criminal assault there usually has to be injury or at least the perceived threat of injury, or it has to somehow be offensive. I guess it depends on how it's done, whether it's done in an insulting or threatening way.

I’m quite familiar with a jurisdiction where “intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing offensive physical contact” is sufficient. Now whether the police will summons or arrest some someone or the prosecutor pursue the charges is of course a horse of a different colour being open to discretion. As Fuji implies lightly touching someone on the shoulder or arm to get their attention is entirely different from poking your finger into their chest, the former is extremely unlikely to result in prosecution, however, jabbing your finger into a constable’s chest will almost certainly clear the bar for prosecution.