Crooked Cops?

[dj1470]

It's well known that the deadliest jobs in the world are the crab fisherman around Alaska. Nothing even comes close.

Actually, no.

Alaskan "Ohpelio" Crab Fishermen are only #3 (King crabbers don't make the top 20)

The top 2 deadliest jobs in the world are. . . . . .

#2 Working on the deck of an aircraft carrier during the day

#1 Working on the deck of an aircraft carrier during the night

 

[dj1470]

I'd be interested to know how they figured that one. It can't be more people die doing that job cause that would just screw up the recruiting something fierce. Be careful with numbers. Last year, an elephant trainer died on the job. There are 600 registered trainers in the US. That would make a fatality rate of 333 per 100,000; 68 times higher than the average worker. See what I mean.

Don't argue with me, argue with the Discovery channel.

 

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At least the time has come where judges and jurors actually accept that it is possible that the cop may not be telling the truth on the stand.

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America’s Deadliest Jobs:

- Fisher People

Formerly known as fishermen, fishers have the deadliest job of all. (142/100,000 deaths.)

The runners-up:

- Pilots and Flight Engineers
(88/100,000)

- Loggers
(82/100,000)

- Iron and Steel Workers
(61/100,000)

- Refuse Collectors
(42/100,000)

- Farmers and Ranchers
(38/100,000)

- Electrical Power Line Workers
(35/100,000)

- Roofers
(34/100,000)

- Drivers
(27/100,000)

During the period of 1980-1993, active duty Navy personnel suffered 4,607 deaths attributable to unintentional injuries (59.4 deaths per 100,000 population), with an all-cause mortality total of 7,485 (96.5 deaths per 100,000 population). Unintentional injuries include disease, illness, suicide, homicide, deaths attributable to hostile action, and miscellaneous causes

 

[preciate it]

Back to the cops, I don't know if their corrupt, but most of them seem to yearn for violence.
I saw them take down an old man who had shoplifted. He didn't resist, in fact held out his hands to be cuffed, but they rammed him to the ground anyway and sat on his back. There was blood all over the place from his nose and forehead.
Reminds me of bouncers at clubs, just itching to deck someone.

 

[Aardvark154]

Back to the cops, I don't know if their corrupt, but most of them seem to yearn for violence.

Some no doubt are overly physical. At the same time, a certain willingness to use force is essential to the job. Most of us in situations where we really need the police don't want someone arriving who is indecisive or afraid to “take someone down” or use a weapon.

 

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Some no doubt are overly physical. At the same time, a certain willingness to use force is essential to the job. Most of us in situations where we really need the police don't want someone arriving who is indecisive or afraid to “take someone down” or use a weapon.

yeah- like if there was a guy who was recovering from heart surgery and was causing a fuss- we don't want the cops pausing to think that through- just taser the guy.

 

[nottyboi]

I work in a bank, and I deal with a lot of cops.

All the ones I deal with seem to be half decent, and I doubt that they're corrupt (I have access to their financial records! ). There are always going to be a few bad apples that spoil the bunch. In the past there were probably more, but now there's probably less? Why? One word: youtube.

I doubt any corrupt cops would be dumb enough to deposit ill gotten gains into a bank....

 

[Aardvark154]

yeah- like if there was a guy who was recovering from heart surgery and was causing a fuss- we don't want the cops pausing to think that through- just taser the guy.

For purposes of argumentation you bring up the extreme. Hopefully you will never really need the police to turn up "gun's blazing."

Quite frankly, but perhaps not surprisingly given (despite Canadian law) the somewhat anti-authoritarian nature of TERB, I'm rather surprised by the anti-police nature of this thread.

 

[Jade4u]

I'm not sure how crooked they are in the means of deliberatly charging or setting up innocent people but I do believe that they will stick together like icing to a cake. If one cop did mess up or do something I believe they would under report something or over report against someone else, hide details if they could to defend another cop.

But who knows to what extent really they would go to in making convictions for certain things to meet quotas. I am sure they all want to stay employed and/or make as much money as they can.

So to call them crooked I guess to me it would depend on what area you are talking about in relation to thier job.

 

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For purposes of argumentation you bring up the extreme. Hopefully you will never really need the police to turn up "gun's blazing."
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i agree its extreme. its too bad it actually happened.

 

[fuji]

i agree its extreme. its too bad it actually happened.

There are FAR more situations to which the cops are called that demand restraint, than demand blazing guns. More lives are saved by police following cool-headed protocols and aiming to manage a situation rather than aiming for a quick take-down. I believe that police in Toronto at least are reasonably good at this--their first idea is NOT to pull a gun and start shooting.

So I am not sure that I agree that you want police who are prone to using violence. Quite the opposite.

In terms of the event that started this thread, the police get extensive training on how to manage public protests ina cool-headed way. The rookie cop in the video is PLAINLY putting the lives of many officers in danger by intentionall escalating the level of violence at a protest. That sort of quick move to violence does not ensure officer safety, it puts it at great risk. What if, seeing that, the other cyclists nearby had responded with violence too? An otherwise peaceful protest has then been turned into a brawl at which no doubt several officers would be injured, maybe even killed, even worse--a brawl where the protestors greatly outnumber the officers. Not good. Not good at all.

You want police who show courage but restraint under violent and tense situations, not officers who further escalate the level of violence at in already bad situation. An officers job is to RESTORE PEACE, not further escalate conflict.

In some cases the only way to restore peace is to take down the source of the problem--but in many, many more situations the way to restore peace is to calmly engage the troublemaker in a way that lowers the violence inherent in the situation.

 

[futurelegend]

yeah- like if there was a guy who was recovering from heart surgery and was causing a fuss- we don`t want the cops pausing to think that through- just taser the guy.

Is `the guy` walking around with a sign on his chest that reads, "Just had heart surgery. Please don`t taser me if I act like an asshole."?

Do you really want officers hesitating in a situation where they might NEED to use excessive force? If so, I would suggest that you read this current thread https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=200375 and then look a bit further into that story, where the suspect was acting completely normal and then just snapped.

It may seem to some that they use excessive force at will, but they go through extensive training that teaches them when to use force and how much to apply. There are many times that we only catch the tail end of a situation where it looks like someone is being taken down hard, but did we miss the part 1 minute earlier where the cop (or someone else) was threatened?

 

[futurelegend]

I recall seeing some stats in the paper a while ago, the deadly jobs are not being a pig, its the truckdrivers and lumberjacks.

I figure it might be as low as 1% of pigs who are actually rotten, however the rest know about it and shut their mouth, and as far as I am concerned are therefore just as guilty.

I know one pig who was bragging about getting off on a speeding ticket on the 417, and by a pig of a different force.

That being said, I've been pulled over a few times in the past 15 to 20 years, and I pretty much always get off with a warning, even when I really shouldn't have, its great being white.

...I don't know...I've eaten a lot of pork chops and roasts...seems being a pig is pretty dangerous to me. I would also agree that less then 1% of pigs are rotten. Usually those are slaughtered and the various parts are then used for other products...not for consumption. However, I would hope that if the other pigs knew about one rotten pig, that they would tell somebody...for the sake of the quality of our meat. We all no the bad rap that cows got when none of them spoke up about the one that started behaving quite madly.

And lastly, if I was an officer I would also likely let a pig go if I caught him speeding.....I mean, THAT is a talent!! I would impressed enough that he could reach the pedals, let alone control the speed he was doing.

 

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Is `the guy` walking around with a sign on his chest that reads, "Just had heart surgery. Please don`t taser me if I act like an asshole."?

Do you really want officers hesitating in a situation where they might NEED to use excessive force? If so, I would suggest that you read this current thread https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=200375 and then look a bit further into that story, where the suspect was acting completely normal and then just snapped.

It may seem to some that they use excessive force at will, but they go through extensive training that teaches them when to use force and how much to apply. There are many times that we only catch the tail end of a situation where it looks like someone is being taken down hard, but did we miss the part 1 minute earlier where the cop (or someone else) was threatened?

no he wasn`t walking around with a sign but he was an old guy in a hospital bed and hooked up to a heart monitor.

yes I want officers to hesitate when using force.

 

[futurelegend]

no he wasn't walking around with a sign but he was an old guy in a hospital bed and hooked up to a heart monitor.

yes I want officers to hesitate when using force.

There is ALWAYS going to be the occasional jerk in any profession. Those few don't represent the group. The point is that (to get back to the basis of this forum) that a very small percentage of cops, overall, are bad. Most of them try to do their best to not f up their jobs and live, while staying sane JUST long enough to collect that WONDERFUL government pension.

 

[fuji]

Do you really want officers hesitating in a situation where they might NEED to use excessive force?

Yes, most of the time. In almost all situations that call for the use of force there is ample time to hesitate and assess what the minimum amount of force necessary is, and whether there are alternatives to using it.

There are indeed situations where an officer has only a split second to make a decision, but those situations are far, far rarer than the situations in which they have ample time to contemplate the approach they will take.

This is even true under MOST (but not all) situations in which the suspect has a gun and has fired some shots already.

So yes I would prefer cool headed officers who are willing to use force, but only after assessing the situation.

For example you cited a scenario where someone had already been murdered, and there was a psychotic suspect roaming about with a knife, presumably looking for someone else to kill. As I understand that situation the officers were able to spend hours figuring out how to get him out of the bus. As it turns out they were able to capture him without having to shoot him in that case.

 

[Aardvark154]

There are FAR more situations to which the cops are called that demand restraint, than demand blazing guns. More lives are saved by police following cool-headed protocols and aiming to manage a situation rather than aiming for a quick take-down. I believe that police in Toronto at least are reasonably good at this--their first idea is NOT to pull a gun and start shooting.

So I am not sure that I agree that you want police who are prone to using violence. Quite the opposite.

In terms of the event that started this thread, the police get extensive training on how to manage public protests ina cool-headed way. The rookie cop in the video is PLAINLY putting the lives of many officers in danger by intentionall escalating the level of violence at a protest. That sort of quick move to violence does not ensure officer safety, it puts it at great risk. What if, seeing that, the other cyclists nearby had responded with violence too? An otherwise peaceful protest has then been turned into a brawl at which no doubt several officers would be injured, maybe even killed, even worse--a brawl where the protestors greatly outnumber the officers. Not good. Not good at all.

You want police who show courage but restraint under violent and tense situations, not officers who further escalate the level of violence at in already bad situation. An officers job is to RESTORE PEACE, not further escalate conflict.

In some cases the only way to restore peace is to take down the source of the problem--but in many, many more situations the way to restore peace is to calmly engage the troublemaker in a way that lowers the violence inherent in the situation.

Well said Fuji!

All I was trying to (poorly) say is that one doesn't want constables who when the situation calls for it are afraid to use force. However, definitely one does want constables, who first attempt to defuse a situation rather than deliberately try to escalate it.

 

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Even good cops

Here is an article about how police officers, even good ones, typically lie in court to secure a conviction and/or to cover up on improper arrests, breaching constitutional rights etc....

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/471623

 

[tboy]

This happened in NYC when a NYPD cop almost kills a cyclist for no reason and then charges him with disorderly conduct and assaulting an officer until a video was posted on YouTube showing what really happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkRweEQxxI

My question is this: How crooked are cops? Especially here in Toronto. How many times does this type of thing happen and the "law" takes the word of a cop over a citizen no matter what. When I was a teen I was pulled over for speeding and charged with 40km over when I did not do it. I was doing 75 in the 60 but he (cop) really did lie about what had happened. I took a court date but lost due to what the judge deemed, "due to lack of contrary evidence we take the word of the law officer over that of a citizen"

1) That cop did NOT "almost kill a cyclist"....lol....that's funny!
2) As for charging him, I don't know what that "event" was, but with 2 cops standing in the middle of the road I don't think it was authorized.
3) If the cop pointed at him or gave indication for the bicyclist to stop, the biker should have stopped.
4) Alluding back to the thread about dangerous bicyclists, that is what my buddy and I did to a punk who was zipping along the sidewalk narrowly missing 2 other buddies in front.

As for cops being "crooked" are you calling a cop crooked who lets a driver off with a warning or one that takes a free coffee from tim hortons?