Covid19 data Ontario

[K Douglas]

The Ontario government's Covid19 website has provided data on hospitalizations and vaccination status of patients for about 2 or 3 months now. One of my biggest gripes with its reporting was the consistent omission of vaccination status for a sizeable portion of the ICU patients. As of today its 40% (60/149)
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations#vaccine-status-data

Here is the disclaimer as to why this is apparently

Data on patients in ICU are being collected from two different data sources with different extraction times and public reporting cycles. The existing data source (Critical Care Information System, CCIS) does not have vaccination status.

Which begs the questions
Why don't they add a data field into the CCIS to enter vaccination status? Or at the very least have someone who is gathering the data follow up with the hospitals to obtain the vaccination status of their ICU patients? They've had over 2 months to figure this shit out. We pay these info systems folks very good salaries/contract fees you'd think someone would have gotten a working solution already.

Now the cynic in me sees this from a different perspective. What if they don't want the public to see this information because it doesn't support the narrative that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It would look pretty bad if out of 149 patients in the ICU half of them are fully vaccinated, wouldn't it?

 

[HungSowel]

Suppose the data is that exactly half of the 149 in the ICU are fully vaxxed, why would that look bad?

 

[Micber]

Doug Ford does not want to upset his voting base.

 

[Valcazar]

Now the cynic in me sees this from a different perspective. What if they don't want the public to see this information because it doesn't support the narrative that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It would look pretty bad if out of 149 patients in the ICU half of them are fully vaccinated, wouldn't it?

Depends on the baseline.
How many vaccinated people are in Ontario now?

 

[basketcase]

...

Which begs the questions
Why don't they add a data field into the CCIS to enter vaccination status? ...

Would it matter to people like you? You would have ignored it anyways and still tried to pretend that there is a conspiracy to hide the vaccinated people overflowing the ICUs.

They do show this though


Vaccinated rate 1.49:100,000
Unvaccinated rate 8.64:100,000

 

[K Douglas]

Would it matter to people like you? You would have ignored it anyways and still tried to pretend that there is a conspiracy to hide the vaccinated people overflowing the ICUs.

They do show this though
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Vaccinated rate 1.49:100,000
Unvaccinated rate 8.64:100,000

OK so the unvaccinated are 5.8 times more likely to get an infection. There are many factors that go into that differential, not just whether you have been vaccinated or not. Those who are unvaccinated tend to be younger and more sociable and carefree and are driving the majority of the infections. For example for the 5 weeks ending Oct 8 those in age groups from 0-29 represented 57% of all the infections in Canada.

Regardless I will concede that the vaccinations do have some level of short term effectiveness for those 60+

 

[basketcase]

OK so the unvaccinated are 5.8 times more likely to get an infection. There are many factors that go into that differential, not just whether you have been vaccinated or not. Those who are unvaccinated tend to be younger and more sociable and carefree and are driving the majority of the infections. For example for the 5 weeks ending Oct 8 those in age groups from 0-29 represented 57% of all the infections in Canada.

Regardless I will concede that the vaccinations do have some level of short term effectiveness for those 60+

So you now don't like the data and are trying to worm your way out of it. Nice.

Yes, young people are more likely to get exposed but those infection rates are also posted and for every age group, unvaccinated people are infected at a much higher rate.

From the same source,
18-39 Year olds
Vaccinated rate 1.72:100,000
Unvaccinated rate 9.71:100,000

 

[K Douglas]

So you now don't like the data and are trying to worm your way out of it. Nice.

Yes, young people are more likely to get exposed but those infection rates are also posted and for every age group, unvaccinated people are infected at a much higher rate.

From the same source,
18-39 Year olds
Vaccinated rate 1.72:100,000
Unvaccinated rate 9.71:100,000

I'm not sure WTF you are on about I'm not trying to worm my way out of anything. Not to mention you took the focus of the discussion off topic - we were discussing vaccination status of those hospitalized.

 

[K Douglas]

Suppose the data is that exactly half of the 149 in the ICU are fully vaxxed, why would that look bad?

Because for months they have been trying to show that the vast majority of the people hospitalized are unvaccinated and you know its those damn 'anti vaxxers' that are prolonging this pandemic.

 

[HungSowel]

Because for months they have been trying to show that the vast majority of the people hospitalized are unvaccinated and you know its those damn 'anti vaxxers' that are prolonging this pandemic.

You are setting up a strawman. Nobody is dumb enough to argue over a number that is not adjusted for the population.

 

[basketcase]

I'm not sure WTF you are on about I'm not trying to worm my way out of anything. Not to mention you took the focus of the discussion off topic - we were discussing vaccination status of those hospitalized.

Data shows that unvaccinated people in Ontario are getting covid at a much higher rate in every age group. Data shows that the vast majority of people in the hospital and ICU are unvaccinated. Considering the most at risk age groups have a very high vaccination rate (over 90%), unvaccinated people are hospitalized at more than 30 times the rate of the vaccinated.

Is that what you were trying to prove?

 

[K Douglas]

Data shows that unvaccinated people in Ontario are getting covid at a much higher rate in every age group. Data shows that the vast majority of people in the hospital and ICU are unvaccinated. Considering the most at risk age groups have a very high vaccination rate (over 90%), unvaccinated people are hospitalized at more than 30 times the rate of the vaccinated.

Is that what you were trying to prove?

Data is not showing that at all. Today's numbers in Ontario
Total ICU patients: 164
Unvaccinated 76
Partially vaccinated 3
Fully vaccinated 18
Status unknown 67

 

[basketcase]

Data is not showing that at all. Today's numbers in Ontario
Total ICU patients: 164
Unvaccinated 76
Partially vaccinated 3
Fully vaccinated 18
Status unknown 67

So you're still pushing this conspiracy theory even though you answered your own question? The ICU cases ARE NOT unknown vaccination status but simply an issue of collating data.

BTW. the biggest discrepancy in data is that people put in the ICU for covid and are still there but no longer covid+ are listed in one database but not the other.

Sorry but on every data source you can find around the world, vaccinated people are getting infected at a lower rate and hospitalized at a much lower rate than unvaccinated.

 

[K Douglas]

So you're still pushing this conspiracy theory even though you answered your own question? The ICU cases ARE NOT unknown vaccination status but simply an issue of collating data.
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BTW. the biggest discrepancy in data is that people put in the ICU for covid and are still there but no longer covid+ are listed in one database but not the other.

Sorry but on every data source you can find around the world, vaccinated people are getting infected at a lower rate and hospitalized at a much lower rate than unvaccinated.

Everything is a bloody conspiracy theory to you. As taxpayers and residents of this province we have a right to full transparency from our government officials. Making excuses because of multiple data sources doesn't cut the mustard. Not knowing the vaccination status of 40% of those in our ICU's is unacceptable. I will be contacting my local MPP to press why we can't see this data.

BTW. the biggest discrepancy in data is that people put in the ICU for covid and are still there but no longer covid+ are listed in one database but not the other.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

[K Douglas]

Data is not showing that at all. Today's numbers in Ontario
Total ICU patients: 164
Unvaccinated 76
Partially vaccinated 3
Fully vaccinated 18
Status unknown 67

Oct 23 numbers (1 week later)
Total ICU patients: 136
Unvaccinated 75
Partially vaccinated 6
Fully vaccinated 16
Status unknown 39
Interesting to note that total patients dropped by 13 since yesterday. Haven't seen that much of a drop in one day for quite some time.

 

[kyleb899]

Ontario looking good, hopefully the cases stay very low

 

[basketcase]

...Haven't seen that much of a drop in one day for quite some time.

Either you are now admitting that medical staff know what they're doing or you're pretending this is proof of your conspiracy.

But in your data mining, I'm sure you've noticed that unvaccinated people are still getting infected at almost 6 times the rate as vaccinated and hospitalized at 30 times the rate.

 

[bver_hunter]

Oct 23 numbers (1 week later)
Total ICU patients: 136
Unvaccinated 75
Partially vaccinated 6
Fully vaccinated 16
Status unknown 39
Interesting to note that total patients dropped by 13 since yesterday. Haven't seen that much of a drop in one day for quite some time.

So the fully unvaccinated are around 15% of the Ontario population but along with the "Status Unknown" patients make up over 80% of the patients in ICU. The only reason that the number dropping is due to more and more residents of Ontario opting to be fully vaccinated!!

 

[K Douglas]

So the fully unvaccinated are around 15% of the Ontario population but along with the "Status Unknown" patients make up over 80% of the patients in ICU. The only reason that the number dropping is due to more and more residents of Ontario opting to be fully vaccinated!!

I think its disingenuous to lump in the 'status unknown' with the unvaccinated. News outlets do this too. All for a narrative.
Today (Oct 26 at 10:30am) numbers as follows:
Total ICU 138
Unvaccinated 62
Partially 5
Fully 17
Unknown 54
Inexcusable that our government cannot give us the vaccination status of 39% of the patients in our ICU.

 

[squeezer]

I think its disingenuous to lump in the 'status unknown' with the unvaccinated. News outlets do this too. All for a narrative.
Today (Oct 26 at 10:30am) numbers as follows:
Total ICU 138
Unvaccinated 62
Partially 5
Fully 17
Unknown 54
Inexcusable that our government cannot give us the vaccination status of 39% of the patients in our ICU.

Hey, the cracks are showing at Fox. You are going to have to stick to Newsmax for your news. LMAO