Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh

[basketcase]

Seems like much of the discussion just ignores the FBI's assessment...

Not at all. They have been pretty clear that they can not confirm the view but all US government groups thinking the lab leak hypothesis is more likely has said that with only low/moderate confidence.

More significantly in this context, the information they based their decision on has not been released so it is down to what level of trust you have in the FBI telling you the truth. I'm pretty sure that in the mess of GOP/Democrat/Trump threads, I can find plenty of people saying the FBI is untrustworthy.

As I said before, my conclusions are based on the evidence available, not on what some person speculates other groups with long histories of suspicious statements base their decisions on.


p.s. Don't know why you are talking about proof because no one in this discussion (other than Butler and lomotil) is talking about proof as we are all quite aware that science doesn't 'prove' things. We have all been quite clear that based on the evidence available, a lab leak seems less likely.

 

[Butler1000]

It is. But it is still evidence as compared to your claims that it must have been a lab leak because we can't trust the Chinese government.

I don't vonsider it evidence. Seriously. I think they lied.

 

[WyattEarp]

There is likely no possible way to completely rule out the possibility of a lab leak but that's not much different from our ability to completely rule in/out the existence of Dark Matter.

Perhaps we can agree that the origin of the COVID virus is Dark Matter.

 

[basketcase]

I don't vonsider it evidence. Seriously. I think they lied.

Yes we know. That is why we are ridiculing your conclusions based solely on your gut feeling.

 

[basketcase]

Perhaps we can agree that the origin of the COVID virus is Dark Matter.

As in continuously studied and conclusions based on our best evidence or because you have a feeling what the truth is and are sticking with your faith?

And the concept of dark matter doesn't sit well with me but I accept that it is currently the best supported theory despite the strong cases being put forward by MOND and related theories.

 

[Valcazar]

So where's the disagreement.

The disagreement is that Butler is saying that any information gathered in China is fraudulent.
Not that information provided by the Chinese government should be treated cautiously.
(Which also appeared to be your position, since you said every piece of information supporting zoonosis should be thrown out.)

That's an insane position which at least you both seem to be backing off from.

 

[Valcazar]

Holy fuck, we know about those things because IT WAS LEAKED from China. Why do you think Google is banned there?!?

Holy fuck, biggest gaslight ever!

And considering they won't even tell the world their actual death toll, yes I can say everything that would cause futher blame to them is being lied about with confidence. That is an even easier concept.

Oh.
So now you've changed your tune and it isn't everything that comes out of China is fraudulent.
Good.
Glad you've backed off the insane position.

 

[Valcazar]

Seems like much of the discussion just ignores the FBI's assessment. I don't view them as the definitive authority on this, but one might suspect they have information they won't share. It's a conundrum that likely means we will never truly know the answer. But that is what some scientists have been saying for awhile now.

It's what everyone except the lab leak fans have been saying for a while now.

And the FBI assessment is something to be kept in mind, of course.
As I have pointed out repeatedly, the FBI thinks it may have been leaked from the WIV, the DOE thinks it may have been leaked from the Wuhan CDC, and four other agencies think it was most likely zoonosis. (The others couldn't decide).

You can't prove the lab leak!

Why do I have to prove the lab leak to say there isn't enough direct and timely evidence to validate the wet market as the origin? The wet market is just a good guess based on the history of viral outbreaks.

Yes.
Which is what the wet market people keep saying.

It's the most parsimonious explanation and the lab leak can't be completely excluded due to lack of evidence.

That people like Butler keep insisting that this proves the lab leak is true is the problem.

 

[Butler1000]

Oh.
So now you've changed your tune and it isn't everything that comes out of China is fraudulent.
Good.
Glad you've backed off the insane position.

You want to play stupud little myopic internet semantics games? Thats what losers of arguments do.

 

[Butler1000]

The disagreement is that Butler is saying that any information gathered in China is fraudulent.
Not that information provided by the Chinese government should be treated cautiously.
(Which also appeared to be your position, since you said every piece of information supporting zoonosis should be thrown out.)

That's an insane position which at least you both seem to be backing off from.

Cautiously? It should be held as false unless proven true.

 

[lomotil]

This is because you have a feeling in your gut and that for you is proof enough eh? LMAO

Yes we know. That is why we are ridiculing your conclusions based solely on your gut feeling.

You really are a piece of work…and a real piece of &$# !!! You continue to conveniently ignore the obvious and glaring ambiance and the smell of death all around..whatever you are..
Basketcase is an unflushed obtuse, blocked toilet bowl of an entity.

 

[squeezer]

You really are a piece of work…and a real piece of &$# !!! You continue to conveniently ignore the obvious and glaring ambiance and the smell of death all around..whatever you are..
Basketcase is an unflushed obtuse, blocked toilet bowl of an entity.

You've really snapped eh?? A little warm milk before bed will calm you down bud. Stress is bad, causes havoc with your immune system and makes you susceptible to COVID.

 

[lomotil]

You've really snapped eh?? A little warm milk before bed will calm you down bud. Stress is bad, causes havoc with your immune system and makes you susceptible to COVID.

I am “up to date” on my vaccines, never tested positive for Covid-19 and have twice ate the ass of a lady from Hubei province who consumed wet market Pangolian testicles on her two trips back home since the pandemic.

 

[Valcazar]

Cautiously? It should be held as false unless proven true.

That's inane.

 

[squeezer]

I am “up to date” on my vaccines, never tested positive for Covid-19 and have twice ate the ass of a lady from Hubei province who consumed wet market Pangolian testicles on her two trips back home since the pandemic.

Congrats on being "up to date" on your vax but they are recommending a booster for this fall. Also, if you are going to continue to eat Hubei ass I also suggest a hepatitis shot and to perhaps eat some bull testicles so you will be able to keep up with your Hubei date.

 

[basketcase]

You really are a piece of work…and a real piece of &$# !!! You continue to conveniently ignore the obvious and glaring ambiance and the smell of death all around..whatever you are..
Basketcase is an unflushed obtuse, blocked toilet bowl of an entity.

You must have a very different definition of "obvious" than me because the only thing obvious to me is that you saw some internet meme a couple years ago and decided it must be true.

 

[basketcase]

That's inane.

You forgot the 's'.

 

[lomotil]

You must have a very different definition of "obvious" than me because the only thing obvious to me is that you saw some internet meme a couple years ago and decided it must be true.

You head is so far up your obtuse constipated ass to notice obvious clues at the scene of the crime, namely the asinine and orchestrated cover up of the fabrication of Covid-19 by the PRC with the necessary destruction of much scientific data, obstruction of cooperation with the international scientific community and the silencing of key actors.

 

[basketcase]

You head is so far up your obtuse constipated ass to notice obvious clues at the scene of the crime, namely the asinine and orchestrated cover up of the fabrication of Covid-19 by the PRC with the necessary destruction of much scientific data, obstruction of cooperation with the international scientific community and the silencing of key actors.

Is someone getting a bit triggered by having it pointed out that you have no idea what evidence means?

BTW. Even most of the lab leak backers think it is stupid to pretend that covid was created by China; just the Q people looking for a new cause other than space lasers causing fires.

 

[lomotil]

Is someone getting a bit triggered by having it pointed out that you have no idea what evidence means?

BTW. Even most of the lab leak backers think it is stupid to pretend that covid was created by China; just the Q people looking for a new cause other than space lasers causing fires.

You repeatedly from the beginning continue to fail to address and circumvent the issue of the PRC finding it necessary to suddenly destroy much “evidence “ on their egregious work on infecting human cells with coronavirus at labs less than five kilometres from where “zoonotic transfer” in a market supposedly occurred. You are an abomination to the scientific community and a jerk off to the global community. The destruction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s research and lethal gag orders on their scientific researchers and attending physicians at the beginning of the pandemic in ground zero Wuhan doesn’t mean that there was a definitely a lab leak resulting in Covid-19 but implies a ruthless attempt at a cover up..

The PRC and their scientists know far more about the origins of the pandemic that your zoonotic cabal but they have decided not to return phone calls.

The nations around the world see that the zoonotic transfer bullshit science has been heavily tainted by political science
Governments around the world do not want to call the PRC a liar but also do not want anyone to think that they believe a word that the PRC is saying.