construction on the damn highways..

[paradise_escort]

forget the useless retard drivers (thanks DATYdude,excellent topic), lets talk about the garbage roads..like the 401 east and west on the bridge i thinks its on the express between younge and the 404, right by the huge condos by Daniels. OMG its like your offroading with the additional thrill of potholes the size of a swimming pool, you can actually get air if your going 150...
and how many times can they fix a road, what are they stupid, years of study and they cant build a road that lasts over 6 months
c'mon i know salt kills the roads but..

 

[Goober Mcfly]

but I stick to the 407 thank you very much)

Farking rich bastards....

 

[Meesh]

It would be interesting to do some research and find out how many times governments have implemented a new tax for the express purpose of building and maintaining roads.

Seems after a couple of years, the money gets rolled into general coffers and they introduce ANOTHER new tax for building and maintaining roads.

And so on...and so on...

 

[Meesh]

Hey Meesh, don't you remember the canada income tax was supposed to be a temporary tax to fund the war back in 1917?

http://canadianeconomy.gc.ca/english/economy/1917income_tax.html

I'm surprised that the gvt still has that info up *lol*

*Ahem*

Thanks Sheik...I acknowledge the fact, but I'm not QUITE old enough to 'remember'

Of course, sometimes I don't remember back as far as this morning either...

 

[Goober Mcfly]

It would be interesting to do some research and find out how many times governments have implemented a new tax for the express purpose of building and maintaining roads.

Seems after a couple of years, the money gets rolled into general coffers and they introduce ANOTHER new tax for building and maintaining roads.

And so on...and so on...

Quebec has nice roads. *cough*

 

[Speedo]

You'll forget about all the problems on our roads after experiencing the jackhammer-smooth glide over any of Detroit's freeways. Auto repair shops in the Motor City must do a booming business...

 

[paradise_escort]

wow rubmeister100, you know youre shit..
but its true, its all about who you know and who youre paying..

 

[papasmerf]

The problem with the roads, wait for it , is consultants.

There are so many consultants and engineers using up sooooo much money consulting, reporting and inspecting that a lot of the money never finds its way into gravel and concrete and asphalt.

These consultants get in REALLY tight with the MTO clique and in with the Milelr Paving/Warren B/Beamish mafia. There is no chance for anyone to get into the industry and provide some alternative competition. As a result, the overhead of these jobs goes sky high, with less tricking down into the road bed and top.

Really simple to build a good road up here. Anywhere.

For the 401, dig down eight to ten feet and pour a 12" bed of dry 20mpa concrete. Fill with granular fill (sand and stones ONLY. nothing organic) Compact in 12" lifts (layers) and top with 24" thick 25mp concrete with fibremesh reinforcement and 6% air. Roughen the surface with grooves. Top that with 4" of rubberized asphalt. You have to use and asphalt "primer" to bond the asphalt to the concrete.

It will not heave, crack or otherwise break down. Every five years (on a high use road like the 401) you'd have to grind off the asphalt and retop it.

Expensive, but it works.

Trouble is
Your writing this just cost an additional 32 dollars per Kilometer. Can you immangine the additional cost if they did it?

 

[xix]

how to fix potholes

I learned from experience about our pot holes roads.

You have to contact the MTO web site/office and tell them about the hole. You must be detailed. I say you must be off by 1 metre from the pot hole you want covered up. This apply to municipalities also. But city hall have their own people doing it.

Then they contact their contractor. ( city hall doesn't they have their own crew .)

Now here is the kicker.

The contrator or road crew never seem to find these holes even if you tagged the hole with a GPS system.

Then MTO contacts you back ( maybe) and they say it's not there. After the third complaint you file they actually find it and not let you now. Even if they find it on the first try, the contractor will tell MTO it's not there. Also if the highway goes into toronto or any city both governemetns will play tennis with you. It's their road, not it's their road. Get the picture. No responsibility.

This also applies to City hall. But I fixed my city hall.

I complain about a hole for 5 years, then I had enough. I went to a dollar store bought a toy shovel for the beach. Got black magic permanent marker. Wrote to The Mayor. Believe it or not ( I won't say what I wrote to him on the shovel ) that hole was covered by the end of the week.

 

[james t kirk]

The problem with the roads, wait for it , is consultants.

There are so many consultants and engineers using up sooooo much money consulting, reporting and inspecting that a lot of the money never finds its way into gravel and concrete and asphalt.

These consultants get in REALLY tight with the MTO clique and in with the Milelr Paving/Warren B/Beamish mafia. There is no chance for anyone to get into the industry and provide some alternative competition. As a result, the overhead of these jobs goes sky high, with less tricking down into the road bed and top.

Really simple to build a good road up here. Anywhere.

For the 401, dig down eight to ten feet and pour a 12" bed of dry 20mpa concrete. Fill with granular fill (sand and stones ONLY. nothing organic) Compact in 12" lifts (layers) and top with 24" thick 25mp concrete with fibremesh reinforcement and 6% air. Roughen the surface with grooves. Top that with 4" of rubberized asphalt. You have to use and asphalt "primer" to bond the asphalt to the concrete.

It will not heave, crack or otherwise break down. Every five years (on a high use road like the 401) you'd have to grind off the asphalt and retop it.

Expensive, but it works.

Actually, consulting engineering fees for highway design usually amount to be about 2% of construction costs. Hardly significant.

Your design is flawed for the following reasons:

1. I don't understand why you would want a 20 MPA layer of concrete about 8 or 10' down when the frost level in Ontario is only about 4' down.

2. What about water that becomes trapped? Which will cause frost heaves.

3. No-one uses 20 MPA concrete ever.

4. 12" layers, try 100 mm lifts compacted to 98 SPD.

5. Fibremesh reinforcement - dunno, I don't think that would be suitable in this application.

6. I am not sure exactly what "rubberized asphalt" is MTO typically uses DFC or OFC on its highways to aid in drainage.

7. If you did a life cycle analysis you would find that for the cost of your design, you could probably build a new highway every 5 years and still be more cost effective.

The thing that kicks the hell out of highways is trucks.

One truck does as much damage to a highway as 20,000 car passes.

 

[shack]

I remember joking about the U.S. toll roads and how lousy their highways were compared to our wonderful 401. Well guess what? Wherever I drive in the States now, the roads seem to be in better shape than here. From Buffalo to Myrtle Beach the roads are smooth and in good repair.

In deference to Speedo, I haven't been through Detroit lately.

 

[Keebler Elf]

The only way to make a highway that will last is to either use concrete or ban trucks. Neither is going to happen. Canadian weather is brutal on roads and there's nothing we can do about it.

The real reason why roads are so bad is that we've never spent sufficient money to keep them in a decent state of repair. Now the chickens are coming home to roost (?) and we're screwed b/c there's no way to pay for all the needed repairs/reconstruction.

Who is to blame? Every one of us . No, not the politicians, not the consultants, not the truck drivers. Us. We are. Our priority has never been highway repair; it's been health care, education, tax cuts, etc. etc.

We made our bed and now we can lie in it.

 

[Speedo]

In deference to Speedo, I haven't been through Detroit lately.

Think "off-roading" Shackster....