CNN: Russia producing 3x the number of shells of Europe and USA combined.

[nottyboi]

What I said was based on them taking the entire country which seems to be what they want. If they just wanted a piece, they would have stopped by now.
They can obviously hold a piece of it but they have no chance of holding all of it. I thought original post was easy to understand.

They did stop after taking a piece (Crimea) and that did not work, so the goal is to drive to force capitualtion of Ukraine and impose conditions to ensure Russias secruity. Russia believes they have no other option. They are not kidding when they say they believe this war is existential

 

[Frankfooter]

They did stop after taking a piece (Crimea) and that did not work, so the goal is to drive to force capitualtion of Ukraine and impose conditions to ensure Russias secruity. Russia believes they have no other option. They are not kidding when they say they believe this war is existential

Existential?

Its hardly changed anything, Russia has about as much of Ukraine as they did before the war.

 

[nottyboi]

Existential?

Its hardly changed anything, Russia has about as much of Ukraine as they did before the war.

Its not about possession. Its about demiliteization. Would you say the AFU is intact or eevn stronger?

 

[Frankfooter]

Its not about possession. Its about demiliteization. Would you say the AFU is intact or eevn stronger?

Both sides are weaker now.
They've changed tactics but neither side is growing any more.
The war is just eating them both.

 

[nottyboi]

Both sides are weaker now.
They've changed tactics but neither side is growing any more.
The war is just eating them both.

Many obaervers say the russian military is stronger then its been in decades. In manpower, tech and production

 

[mandrill]

Many obaervers say the russian military is stronger then its been in decades. In manpower, tech and production

"Experts" like Max Blumenthal, Aron Mate, Jackson Hinkle and the entire editorial staff of RT and 10,000 Krem trolls on Twitter?..... Da, Komrad Nottsky.

 

[mandrill]

They did stop after taking a piece (Crimea) and that did not work, so the goal is to drive to force capitualtion of Ukraine and impose conditions to ensure Russias secruity. Russia believes they have no other option. They are not kidding when they say they believe this war is existential

Except they don't actually say this, do they?.... Not in Russia, they don't. In Russia, the pitch is that Ukraine is integrally part of Holy Mother Russia and must be returned by force to the parent country. Russian internal discourse says fuck-all about NATO or security because these are non issues for Russians.

Western Kremtrolls say this shit in English to Westerners, so guys like you can rant about the stuff you love whining over like "US imperialism" and "NATO expansion", but it's fake horseshit. Russians don't care because part of the "Glorious Holy Motherland" bullshit is that Russia can nuke the fuck out of the entire west any time it wants and only refrains from so doing out of unwarranted generosity.

So this is just another nonsense post of yours.

 

[mandrill]

Like a new Manigot line? Defences like that don't really work in all cases. You can see how the war is evolving. In Mariupol and Bakmut, the fortifications were defeated at high cost and took a long time. Russia flailed away at Avdiivka for a while and eventually the tactic that won the day was hammering strong points with 1500 KG glide bombs. No fortification can survive these weapons. Anyone who survives is seriously fucked up. Typically there is a massive crater where the bomb is left. you hit a few strong points with this and resistance will collapse. rapidly

Except Avdiivka didn't really collapse rapidly, did it?

It took the Russians 30k dead to eventually grind it out after 2 years of trench warfare. Sort of like the Battle of the Somme.

 

[toguy5252]

Many obaervers say the russian military is stronger then its been in decades. In manpower, tech and production

if true all the more reason to insure they are not successful in Ukraine. That will not be the end.

 

[oil&gas]

The end will see 80% of what was pre-war Ukraine
standing on guard as a deterrence to future intrusion
of Russia into Europe. That is worth all the aid money
sent to Ukraine.

 

[SchlongConery]

Like a new Manigot line? Defences like that don't really work in all cases. You can see how the war is evolving. In Mariupol and Bakmut, the fortifications were defeated at high cost and took a long time.

Russia flailed away at Avdiivka for a while and eventually the tactic that won the day was hammering strong points with 1500 KG glide bombs. No fortification can survive these weapons. Anyone who survives is seriously fucked up. Typically there is a massive crater where the bomb is left. you hit a few strong points with this and resistance will collapse. rapidly

You tell things through such Soviet Red propaganda it is almost comical. Glide bombs won the day but you, again, refuse to recognize the deliberate, primitive Russian commanded meat waves that paid for a few acres of a now useless, destroyed rural village with Russian citizens forced to act as targets in a turkey shoot.

Ukraine left Avdivka for one reason only... they ran out of ammo after using it to knock down 5 million pounds* of Russian meat waves.

Many more of those primitive Russian planes carrying those bombs would have been shot down before releasing their glide bombs tens of miles away in Russia if Ukraine had received the allocated air defense missiles the United States broke their promise over. Even with limited missiles, Ukraine shot down enough of those Russian cropdusters to make Russian pilots refuse to take on these manned Kamakaze missions.

If Kompromat Komrade Trump didn't interfere with the will of the democratically elected GOP and Dem Senators and Congressmen, there would have been more millions of pounds of Russian carrion east of Avdivka.

Soon, the animal blood of the Orc invaders will just contribute to Rasputitza a few km westward. Maybe it will slow down more after the fake Putin erection.



* 30,000 russian soldiers at 165 lbs each

 

[SchlongConery]

if true all the more reason to insure they are not successful in Ukraine. That will not be the end.

This is what the basement dwellers and MAGA rally tourists don't get. They have not been anywhere in the world nor have they any real global experience with how others live.

Nothing matters to them until it affects their county. Not even country...just county.

Bullies need to keep moving forward just to survive. They never stop, until they are stopped.

All these near-sighted right wing cultists scream about stopping gangs and crime in their own little bubble by 'getting tough on crime'. Gotta carry a gun. Police aughta shoot first ask questions later.

But when it comes to someone else protecting themselves from illegal, homicidal criminals a ten hour plane ride away.... well they aughta just surrender and all will be fine.


For whatever reason, they ignore the EXPLICIT STATEMENTS by Putin himself and the current Russian government that this is not just a war against Ukraine, IT IS A WAR AGAINST WESTERN SOCIETY AND WESTERN COUNTRIES!!!

Everyone, even including the western right wing extremists, knows that Russia is present and actively working in our own countries to destabilize our countries and western society in general. Nobody is better than Russia in hacking, espionage, destabilizing propaganda, compromising politicians with kompromat etc etc. Make no mistake, present-day Russian government is an extremely powerful force in our own countries. And their presence here has a proven negative effect.

We here in Canada, the USA and Europe will derive no positive benefit if Russia succeeds in Ukraine. None

 

[kherg007]

This is what the basement dwellers and MAGA rally tourists don't get. They have not been anywhere in the world nor have they any real global experience with how others live.

Nothing matters to them until it affects their county. Not even country...just county.

Bullies need to keep moving forward just to survive. They never stop, until they are stopped.

All these near-sighted right wing cultists scream about stopping gangs and crime in their own little bubble by 'getting tough on crime'. Gotta carry a gun. Police aughta shoot first ask questions later.

But when it comes to someone else protecting themselves from illegal, homicidal criminals a ten hour plane ride away.... well they aughta just surrender and all will be fine.


For whatever reason, they ignore the EXPLICIT STATEMENTS by Putin himself and the current Russian government that this is not just a war against Ukraine, IT IS A WAR AGAINST WESTERN SOCIETY AND WESTERN COUNTRIES!!!

Everyone, even including the western right wing extremists, knows that Russia is present and actively working in our own countries to destabilize our countries and western society in general. Nobody is better than Russia in hacking, espionage, destabilizing propaganda, compromising politicians with kompromat etc etc. Make no mistake, present-day Russian government is an extremely powerful force in our own countries. And their presence here has a proven negative effect.

We here in Canada, the USA and Europe will derive no positive benefit if Russia succeeds in Ukraine. None

In the intel world you find gaps between groups of individuals and step in to make it worse. Thats what the Russians are doing in all democracies.
They're turbo charging Maga and white supremacist groups, whom worship putin asthe last great hope for white christian domination.

 

[nottyboi]

You tell things through such Soviet Red propaganda it is almost comical. Glide bombs won the day but you, again, refuse to recognize the deliberate, primitive Russian commanded meat waves that paid for a few acres of a now useless, destroyed rural village with Russian citizens forced to act as targets in a turkey shoot.

Ukraine left Avdivka for one reason only... they ran out of ammo after using it to knock down 5 million pounds* of Russian meat waves.

Many more of those primitive Russian planes carrying those bombs would have been shot down before releasing their glide bombs tens of miles away in Russia if Ukraine had received the allocated air defense missiles the United States broke their promise over. Even with limited missiles, Ukraine shot down enough of those Russian cropdusters to make Russian pilots refuse to take on these manned Kamakaze missions.

If Kompromat Komrade Trump didn't interfere with the will of the democratically elected GOP and Dem Senators and Congressmen, there would have been more millions of pounds of Russian carrion east of Avdivka.

Soon, the animal blood of the Orc invaders will just contribute to Rasputitza a few km westward. Maybe it will slow down more after the fake Putin erection.



* 30,000 russian soldiers at 165 lbs each

BBC says Russia has lost about 50k men KIA Ukraine are the ones using meat waves. Show me a video of a Russian meat wave. Everyone has drones and cameras so there should be wave of thousands of men being mowed down and lots of vids ass such. Not seen one. there have been clusters of bodies. not a field full of bodies. Ukraine has lost betweem 400 and 700K (kia and missing)

 

[nottyboi]

The end will see 80% of what was pre-war Ukraine
standing on guard as a deterrence to future intrusion
of Russia into Europe. That is worth all the aid money
sent to Ukraine.

With a mop as the wonderwaff?

 

[nottyboi]

Except Avdiivka didn't really collapse rapidly, did it?

It took the Russians 30k dead to eventually grind it out after 2 years of trench warfare. Sort of like the Battle of the Somme.

It did when they changed tactics, and ukrainians fled in panic. I doubt they lost 30K It was mostly artillery and bombing that did the job.

 

[toguy5252]

This is what the basement dwellers and MAGA rally tourists don't get. They have not been anywhere in the world nor have they any real global experience with how others live.

Nothing matters to them until it affects their county. Not even country...just county.

Bullies need to keep moving forward just to survive. They never stop, until they are stopped.

All these near-sighted right wing cultists scream about stopping gangs and crime in their own little bubble by 'getting tough on crime'. Gotta carry a gun. Police aughta shoot first ask questions later.

But when it comes to someone else protecting themselves from illegal, homicidal criminals a ten hour plane ride away.... well they aughta just surrender and all will be fine.


For whatever reason, they ignore the EXPLICIT STATEMENTS by Putin himself and the current Russian government that this is not just a war against Ukraine, IT IS A WAR AGAINST WESTERN SOCIETY AND WESTERN COUNTRIES!!!

Everyone, even including the western right wing extremists, knows that Russia is present and actively working in our own countries to destabilize our countries and western society in general. Nobody is better than Russia in hacking, espionage, destabilizing propaganda, compromising politicians with kompromat etc etc. Make no mistake, present-day Russian government is an extremely powerful force in our own countries. And their presence here has a proven negative effect.

We here in Canada, the USA and Europe will derive no positive benefit if Russia succeeds in Ukraine. None

The sad part is that the gop has always been in favour of a sting defence and vet Russia containment. Then they got tir new order from the stable genius and did a 180. Amazing but not surprising from the guy and party who no longer feels bound by article 5 of the nato treaty.

 

[SchlongConery]

It did when they changed tactics, and ukrainians fled in panic. I doubt they lost 30K It was mostly artillery and bombing that did the job.

Yeah, yeah.... they ran out of ammunition. The glide bombs had been going on for some time.

And unlike the poor fucking Orc's the Ukrainian leadership knows when to actually strategically retreat. Nothing panicked about it. Why keep staying in Avdivka when they run out of lead to cut down more Russian bullet catchers? It's not like they have a psychopathic megalomaniacal dictator trying to buffer his own inevitable death with his citizens corpses. Especially on the eve of the Russian People's Choice Awards ceremonies!

 

[nottyboi]

"Experts" like Max Blumenthal, Aron Mate, Jackson Hinkle and the entire editorial staff of RT and 10,000 Krem trolls on Twitter?..... Da, Komrad Nottsky.

And US news ? https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/strong-military

 

[nottyboi]

Yeah, yeah.... they ran out of ammunition. The glide bombs had been going on for some time.

And unlike the poor fucking Orc's the Ukrainian leadership knows when to actually strategically retreat. Nothing panicked about it. Why keep staying in Avdivka when they run out of lead to cut down more Russian bullet catchers? It's not like they have a psychopathic megalomaniacal dictator trying to buffer his own inevitable death with his citizens corpses. Especially on the eve of the Russian People's Choice Awards ceremonies!

Lol the Russian withdrawal from Khakov was a sstrategic withdrawal. The AFU was given the order to withdraw when they were already a fleeing rabble. Lots of vis of troops running on foot. Getting picked off by drones and arty