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Canada Man is hilarious with his copy and paste of some real fake articles. Carbon Dioxide during the ice age was around 200 ppm in the atmosphere. In 2013 for the first time it had really doubled in it's atmospheric content. Today it is around 410 ppm. Yes, PURE carbon dioxide has the Gas SG (relative to air) @ 1.528. Obviously, Carbon Dioxide at 400 ppm does not, yes does not have the Gas SG at 1.528. By volume carbon dioxide is approximately 0.03% by volume in dry air. If it is 1.5 times more dense than air and if your Canada Man's hilarious theory was right then we would have the a layer of carbon dioxide layer near the sea level, and there would be no living beings left on earth. At higher elevations the pressure decreases and generally the amount of air content decreases, though the composition of the air itself stays the same. So carbon dioxide content within the air stays the same but as air as a whole content in that atmosphere decreases so will the carbon dioxide. In this scenario, the carbon dioxide in the air itself will still be 0.03%.
The science and politics of climate change Ian Plimer We derive scientific evidence from measurement, observation, and experiment. Evidence must be repeatable and collected over and over again. Computers do not generate evidence: they analyse evidence that should have been repeated and validated. On the basis of the evidence and analysis of evidence, an explanation is given. This explanation is a scientific theory and must be in accord with other validated evidence from diverse sources (this is known as the coherence criterion in science). Unlike in law, there is no inadmissible evidence in science. Science is underpinned by practitioners who must be sceptical of the methodology used to collect evidence, the analysis of evidence, and the conclusions based on the evidence. On the basis of new evidence, scientists must always be prepared to change their opinions. Science bows to no authority, is not based on a consensus, and is in a constant state of flux. No great advance in science has been made by consensus: advances have been made by individuals paddling upstream. If a scientific theory is not in accord with validated evidence, then the theory must be abandoned and reconstructed. It is scepticism that underpins science, not the comfort of consensus. The theory of human-induced global warming is not science because research is based on a pre-ordained conclusion, huge bodies of evidence are ignored, and the analytical procedures are treated as evidence. Furthermore, climate ‘science’ is sustained by government research grants. Funds are not available to investigate theories that are not in accord with government ideology. Many Western governments have a politically popular ideology that argues that:
i. There is an increase in emissions of carbon dioxide ( CO 2 ) by human activities;
ii. The increased CO 2 , a greenhouse gas, will lead to ever increasing global warming; iii. There will be tipping points, sea level rises, extinctions and ocean acidification; iv. Climate change will be irreversible and that human emissions of CO 2 must be reduced or stopped as soon as possible; and v. In order to stop climate change, energy sources need to be shifted from coal, gas and oil to wind, solar, tidal and biomass. i.
There is an increase in emissions of carbon dioxide by human activities Point (i) is correct. These emissions derive mainly from the developing world and the understandable desire of its people to reach the same standard of living as the Western middle class. It was coal in the Industrial Revolution that originally led to the rise of the middle class in the West. Now the new industrial revolution in China, India and East Asia is causing the largest migration of humans that has ever occurred, the rise of the middle class in these nations, and the use of steel and electricity, both of which derive from coal. The very slight increase in atmospheric CO 2 has led to a slight greening of the planet. As all farmers know, CO 2 is plant food and the emission of increasingly large amounts of CO 2 by humans is good for life on Earth. ii. The increased carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, will lead to ever increasing global warming Point (ii) has shown to be invalid on all time scales. There is no doubt that CO 2 is a greenhouse gas. However, the main greenhouse gas is water vapour. The first 100 parts per million (ppm) of CO 2 have a significant effect on atmospheric temperature, whereas any increase from the current 400 ppm will have an insignificant effect. Furthermore, because CO 2 has a short residence time in the atmosphere, it is naturally sequestered into the oceans, life, or rocks in less than a decade. In fact, only one molecule of every 85,000 in the atmosphere is CO 2 of human origin, and yet we are asked to believe that this one molecule drives hugely complex climate change systems. We are also asked to believe that the 32 molecules of CO 2 of natural origin in every 85,000 molecules play no part in driving climate change. Despite a significant increase in industrial emissions of CO 2 , there has been no increase in global atmospheric temperature over the past seventeen years. This shows that the theory that CO 2 emissions of human origin drive global warming (and climate change) must be rejected. But this rejection has not yet taken place. In ice core measurements, the
evidence shows that temperature increase occurs hundreds to thousands of years before there is an increase in atmospheric CO 2 . This again shows that atmospheric CO 2 does not drive atmospheric temperature change. On yet another scale, geology shows that all six of the great ice ages were initiated when atmospheric CO 2 was far higher than at present and, with the first two great ice ages, up to a thousand times higher than the current atmospheric CO 2 content. Furthermore, geology shows that there has been sequestration of atmospheric CO 2 into limey sediments, other rocks and life for 2,500 million years. This process continues. The Earth currently has a very low CO 2 content compared with the past. We actually live in a cold epoch. Ice is a rare rock and has been on Earth for less than twenty per cent of its history. For most of time, planet Earth has been warmer and wetter. In the past, ecosystems thrived when there was a high atmospheric carbon dioxide content—especially if it was warm. This is known by horticulturalists. They pump warm CO 2 into glass houses. The optimum CO 2 content is more than 1,600 ppm (as compared with the current atmospheric content of 400 ppm). History shows that communities thrived when it was warm and there was massive depopulation during cooler times. It is only recently—when Westerners have been very affluent—that people have feared the warmth. In former times, communities feared the cold.
 

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The science and politics of climate change Ian Plimer We derive scientific evidence from measurement, observation, and experiment. Evidence must be repeatable and collected over and over again. Computers do not generate evidence: they analyse evidence that should have been repeated and validated. On the basis of the evidence and analysis of evidence, an explanation is given. This explanation is a scientific theory and must be in accord with other validated evidence from diverse sources (this is known as the coherence criterion in science). Unlike in law, there is no inadmissible evidence in science. Science is underpinned by practitioners who must be sceptical of the methodology used to collect evidence, the analysis of evidence, and the conclusions based on the evidence. On the basis of new evidence, scientists must always be prepared to change their opinions. Science bows to no authority, is not based on a consensus, and is in a constant state of flux. No great advance in science has been made by consensus: advances have been made by individuals paddling upstream. If a scientific theory is not in accord with validated evidence, then the theory must be abandoned and reconstructed. It is scepticism that underpins science, not the comfort of consensus. The theory of human-induced global warming is not science because research is based on a pre-ordained conclusion, huge bodies of evidence are ignored, and the analytical procedures are treated as evidence. Furthermore, climate ‘science’ is sustained by government research grants. Funds are not available to investigate theories that are not in accord with government ideology. Many Western governments have a politically popular ideology that argues that:
i. There is an increase in emissions of carbon dioxide ( CO 2 ) by human activities;
ii. The increased CO 2 , a greenhouse gas, will lead to ever increasing global warming; iii. There will be tipping points, sea level rises, extinctions and ocean acidification; iv. Climate change will be irreversible and that human emissions of CO 2 must be reduced or stopped as soon as possible; and v. In order to stop climate change, energy sources need to be shifted from coal, gas and oil to wind, solar, tidal and biomass. i.
There is an increase in emissions of carbon dioxide by human activities Point (i) is correct. These emissions derive mainly from the developing world and the understandable desire of its people to reach the same standard of living as the Western middle class. It was coal in the Industrial Revolution that originally led to the rise of the middle class in the West. Now the new industrial revolution in China, India and East Asia is causing the largest migration of humans that has ever occurred, the rise of the middle class in these nations, and the use of steel and electricity, both of which derive from coal. The very slight increase in atmospheric CO 2 has led to a slight greening of the planet. As all farmers know, CO 2 is plant food and the emission of increasingly large amounts of CO 2 by humans is good for life on Earth. ii. The increased carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, will lead to ever increasing global warming Point (ii) has shown to be invalid on all time scales. There is no doubt that CO 2 is a greenhouse gas. However, the main greenhouse gas is water vapour. The first 100 parts per million (ppm) of CO 2 have a significant effect on atmospheric temperature, whereas any increase from the current 400 ppm will have an insignificant effect. Furthermore, because CO 2 has a short residence time in the atmosphere, it is naturally sequestered into the oceans, life, or rocks in less than a decade. In fact, only one molecule of every 85,000 in the atmosphere is CO 2 of human origin, and yet we are asked to believe that this one molecule drives hugely complex climate change systems. We are also asked to believe that the 32 molecules of CO 2 of natural origin in every 85,000 molecules play no part in driving climate change. Despite a significant increase in industrial emissions of CO 2 , there has been no increase in global atmospheric temperature over the past seventeen years. This shows that the theory that CO 2 emissions of human origin drive global warming (and climate change) must be rejected. But this rejection has not yet taken place. In ice core measurements, the
evidence shows that temperature increase occurs hundreds to thousands of years before there is an increase in atmospheric CO 2 . This again shows that atmospheric CO 2 does not drive atmospheric temperature change. On yet another scale, geology shows that all six of the great ice ages were initiated when atmospheric CO 2 was far higher than at present and, with the first two great ice ages, up to a thousand times higher than the current atmospheric CO 2 content. Furthermore, geology shows that there has been sequestration of atmospheric CO 2 into limey sediments, other rocks and life for 2,500 million years. This process continues. The Earth currently has a very low CO 2 content compared with the past. We actually live in a cold epoch. Ice is a rare rock and has been on Earth for less than twenty per cent of its history. For most of time, planet Earth has been warmer and wetter. In the past, ecosystems thrived when there was a high atmospheric carbon dioxide content—especially if it was warm. This is known by horticulturalists. They pump warm CO 2 into glass houses. The optimum CO 2 content is more than 1,600 ppm (as compared with the current atmospheric content of 400 ppm). History shows that communities thrived when it was warm and there was massive depopulation during cooler times. It is only recently—when Westerners have been very affluent—that people have feared the warmth. In former times, communities feared the cold.
Posting reams of garbage again?
 

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Canada-Man, if the "Global Warming Hoax" was as simple to disprove as you apparently now claim, every first year university earth sciences geek would have told his parents and his computer gaming buddies that global warming was a crock and it would have been laughed out of existence. The inference is that your article is so fucking silly that only yokels and - it would seem - you are gullible enough to believe it.

“We now know that the hockey stick graph is fraudulent.”

DR MICHAEL R FOX, PHD (1936-2011) Nuclear scientist, Professor of Chemistry at Idaho State University and researcher at the National Engineering Laboratory. Chairman of the American Nuclear Society’s Public Information Committee. In 2008, in evidence submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency, Dr

Fox said the following : The hockey stick is a name given to a graph of reconstructed temperature data… The “handle” of the hockey stick graph is intended to portray rather flat, constant global temperatures extending from about 1000 AD to about 1900. At this time the global temperatures turn sharply upward indicating the “blade”… The overall message is/was that after about a 900 year period of constant temperatures, the global temperatures rose sharply upward beginning around 1900, allegedly. This is often assumed to be the beginning of the industrial age, and therefore the presumed beginning of significant man-made CO 2 emissions. This is incorrect… This hockey stick graph has been featured prominently and globally in a major scientific journal…

It has been given pivotal importance in several of the IPCC assessment reports, and featured prominently in Al Gore’s documentary An Inconvenient Truth , which now is discredited too. This section of Dr Fox’s remarks is a useful précis of how the hockey stick was wafted up on ever wider circles of deceit: It is useful to list some of theapproval processes which led to this global deception . The authors, scientists themselves, obviously approved of their own creation. The peer reviewers assigned by the science journal approved it, the editors of the science journal who reviewed, checked, and approved it, and the reviewers of the IPCC reports, the editors of the IPCC documents. The producers of Gore’s documentary approved it, presumably Mr Gore himself, and the thousands of school teachers around the world who required millions of students to view and analyze it. The extent of global fear inspired by the educational systems around the world is incalculable.

We now know that the hockey stick graph is fraudulent. How should we treat those who approved it? What should the EPA do now proposing to adopt rule making for CO 2 mitigation? To do so they must embrace the underlying fraudulent science , and the terrible harm it will bring. EPA action seems simple: do not proceed with the rule making for greenhouse gas mitigation. Have the courage not to mitigate man-made CO 2 and avoid joining with the scientific deceptions. Close analyses of the hockey stick scandal are essential for policy makers, educators, media, and many scientific institutions and their PhD staffers. All of them played a role in creating and/or spreading the deceptions. It has shaken the pillars of institutional science to its foundation and undermined the public trust science once had. We are either dealing with willful scientific deceptions or woeful and lazy scientific mediocrity from PhDs
 

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“We now know that the hockey stick graph is fraudulent.”

DR MICHAEL R FOX, PHD (1936-2011) Nuclear scientist, Professor of Chemistry at Idaho State University and researcher at the National Engineering Laboratory. Chairman of the American Nuclear Society’s Public Information Committee. In 2008, in evidence submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency, Dr

Fox said the following : The hockey stick is a name given to a graph of reconstructed temperature data… The “handle” of the hockey stick graph is intended to portray rather flat, constant global temperatures extending from about 1000 AD to about 1900. At this time the global temperatures turn sharply upward indicating the “blade”… The overall message is/was that after about a 900 year period of constant temperatures, the global temperatures rose sharply upward beginning around 1900, allegedly. This is often assumed to be the beginning of the industrial age, and therefore the presumed beginning of significant man-made CO 2 emissions. This is incorrect… This hockey stick graph has been featured prominently and globally in a major scientific journal…

It has been given pivotal importance in several of the IPCC assessment reports, and featured prominently in Al Gore’s documentary An Inconvenient Truth , which now is discredited too. This section of Dr Fox’s remarks is a useful précis of how the hockey stick was wafted up on ever wider circles of deceit: It is useful to list some of theapproval processes which led to this global deception . The authors, scientists themselves, obviously approved of their own creation. The peer reviewers assigned by the science journal approved it, the editors of the science journal who reviewed, checked, and approved it, and the reviewers of the IPCC reports, the editors of the IPCC documents. The producers of Gore’s documentary approved it, presumably Mr Gore himself, and the thousands of school teachers around the world who required millions of students to view and analyze it. The extent of global fear inspired by the educational systems around the world is incalculable.

We now know that the hockey stick graph is fraudulent. How should we treat those who approved it? What should the EPA do now proposing to adopt rule making for CO 2 mitigation? To do so they must embrace the underlying fraudulent science , and the terrible harm it will bring. EPA action seems simple: do not proceed with the rule making for greenhouse gas mitigation. Have the courage not to mitigate man-made CO 2 and avoid joining with the scientific deceptions. Close analyses of the hockey stick scandal are essential for policy makers, educators, media, and many scientific institutions and their PhD staffers. All of them played a role in creating and/or spreading the deceptions. It has shaken the pillars of institutional science to its foundation and undermined the public trust science once had. We are either dealing with willful scientific deceptions or woeful and lazy scientific mediocrity from PhDs
All you do is cut and paste absolute bullshit.

Question: What the hell would a nuclear scientist know, at all, about climate change? Decidedly NOT an expert.
 

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High School science and experiments shown that CO2 is a heavy gas which is heavier and denser than air, have a lower hear capacity than air, does not mix will and does not retain heat very well. continue to display your scientific illiteracy.
If you want high school science you can experiment on it yourself. Get two clear 2L pop bottles. Put a thermometer through each lid (sealed). Put standard air in one and increased CO2 in the other. Close the lids. Put both bottles in direct sunlight. Measure the resultant temperatures.
 

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“We now know that the hockey stick graph is fraudulent.”

DR MICHAEL R FOX, PHD (1936-2011) Nuclear scientist, Professor of Chemistry at Idaho State University and researcher at the National Engineering Laboratory. Chairman of the American Nuclear Society’s Public Information Committee. In 2008, in evidence submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency, Dr

Fox said the following : The hockey stick is a name given to a graph of reconstructed temperature data… The “handle” of the hockey stick graph is intended to portray rather flat, constant global temperatures extending from about 1000 AD to about 1900. At this time the global temperatures turn sharply upward indicating the “blade”… The overall message is/was that after about a 900 year period of constant temperatures, the global temperatures rose sharply upward beginning around 1900, allegedly. This is often assumed to be the beginning of the industrial age, and therefore the presumed beginning of significant man-made CO 2 emissions. This is incorrect… This hockey stick graph has been featured prominently and globally in a major scientific journal…

It has been given pivotal importance in several of the IPCC assessment reports, and featured prominently in Al Gore’s documentary An Inconvenient Truth , which now is discredited too. This section of Dr Fox’s remarks is a useful précis of how the hockey stick was wafted up on ever wider circles of deceit: It is useful to list some of theapproval processes which led to this global deception . The authors, scientists themselves, obviously approved of their own creation. The peer reviewers assigned by the science journal approved it, the editors of the science journal who reviewed, checked, and approved it, and the reviewers of the IPCC reports, the editors of the IPCC documents. The producers of Gore’s documentary approved it, presumably Mr Gore himself, and the thousands of school teachers around the world who required millions of students to view and analyze it. The extent of global fear inspired by the educational systems around the world is incalculable.

We now know that the hockey stick graph is fraudulent. How should we treat those who approved it? What should the EPA do now proposing to adopt rule making for CO 2 mitigation? To do so they must embrace the underlying fraudulent science , and the terrible harm it will bring. EPA action seems simple: do not proceed with the rule making for greenhouse gas mitigation. Have the courage not to mitigate man-made CO 2 and avoid joining with the scientific deceptions. Close analyses of the hockey stick scandal are essential for policy makers, educators, media, and many scientific institutions and their PhD staffers. All of them played a role in creating and/or spreading the deceptions. It has shaken the pillars of institutional science to its foundation and undermined the public trust science once had. We are either dealing with willful scientific deceptions or woeful and lazy scientific mediocrity from PhDs
Sadly your unsourced cut and paste from Dr For doesn't include and basis for his claims of fraud.
 

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All you do is cut and paste absolute bullshit.

Question: What the hell would a nuclear scientist know, at all, about climate change? Decidedly NOT an expert.

More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Challenge UN IPCC :panel


More than 1,000 dissenting scientists (updates previous 700 scientist report) from around the globe have now challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 2010 321-page Climate Depot Special Report — updated from the 2007 groundbreaking U.S. Senate Report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” — features the skeptical voices of over 1,000 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated 2010 report includes a dramatic increase of over 300 additional (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the last update in March 2009. This report’s release coincides with the 2010 UN global warming summit in being held in Cancun.

The more than 300 additional scientists added to this report since March 2009 (21 months ago), represents an average of nearly four skeptical scientists a week speaking out publicly. The well over 1,000 dissenting scientists are almost 20 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grew louder in 2010 as the Climategate scandal — which involved the upper echelon of UN IPCC scientists — detonated upon on the international climate movement. “I view Climategate as science fraud, pure and simple,” said noted Princeton Physicist Dr. Robert Austin shortly after the scandal broke. Climategate prompted UN IPCC scientists to turn on each other. UN IPCC scientist Eduardo Zorita publicly declared that his Climategate colleagues Michael Mann and Phil Jones “should be barred from the IPCC process…They are not credible anymore.”

Zorita also noted how insular the IPCC science had become. “By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that a few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication,” Zorita wrote. A UN lead author Richard Tol grew disillusioned with the IPCC and lamented that it had been “captured” and demanded that “the Chair of IPCC and the Chairs of the IPCC Working Groups should be removed.” Tol also publicly called for the “suspension” of IPCC Process in 2010 after being invited by the UN to participate as lead author again in the next IPCC Report. [Note: Zorita and Tol are not included in the count of dissenting scientists in this report.]

Other UN scientists were more blunt. A South African UN scientist declared the UN IPCC a “worthless carcass” and noted IPCC chair Pachauri is in “disgrace”. He also explained that the “fraudulent science continues to be exposed.” Alexander, a former member of the UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters harshly critiqued the UN. “‘I was subjected to vilification tactics at the time. I persisted. Now, at long last, my persistence has been rewarded…There is no believable evidence to support [the IPCC] claims. I rest my case!” See: S. African UN Scientist Calls it! ‘Climate change – RIP: Cause of Death: No scientifically believable evidence…Deliberate manipulation to suit political objectives’ [Also see: New Report: UN Scientists Speak Out On Global Warming -- As Skeptics!] Geologist Dr. Don Easterbrook, a professor of geology at Western Washington University, summed up the scandal on December 3, 2010: “The corruption within the IPCC revealed by the Climategate scandal, the doctoring of data and the refusal to admit mistakes have so severely tainted the IPCC that it is no longer a credible agency.”

Selected Highlights of the Updated 2010 Report featuring over 1,000 international scientists dissenting from man-made climate fears:

“We’re not scientifically there yet. Despite what you may have heard in the media, there is nothing like a consensus of scientific opinion that this is a problem. Because there is natural variability in the weather, you cannot statistically know for another 150 years.”

— UN IPCC’s Tom Tripp, a member of the UN IPCC since 2004 and listed as one of the lead authors and serves as the Director of Technical Services & Development for U.S. Magnesium.

“Any reasonable scientific analysis must conclude the basic theory wrong!!” — NASA Scientist Dr. Leonard Weinstein who worked 35 years at the NASA Langley Research Center and finished his career there as a Senior Research Scientist. Weinstein is presently a Senior Research Fellow at the National Institute of Aerospace.

“Please remain calm: The Earth will heal itself — Climate is beyond our power to control…Earth doesn’t care about governments or their legislation. You can’t find much actual global warming in present-day weather observations. Climate change is a matter of geologic time, something that the earth routinely does on its own without asking anyone’s permission or explaining itself.”

— Nobel Prize-Winning Stanford University Physicist Dr. Robert B. Laughlin, who won the Nobel Prize for physics in 1998, and was formerly a research scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

“In essence, the jig is up. The whole thing is a fraud. And even the fraudsters that fudged data are admitting to temperature history that they used to say didn’t happen…Perhaps what has doomed the Climategate fraudsters the most was their brazenness in fudging the data”

— Dr. Christopher J. Kobus, Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Oakland University, specializes in alternative energy, thermal transport phenomena, two-phase flow and fluid and thermal energy systems.

“The energy mankind generates is so small compared to that overall energy budget that it simply cannot affect the climate…The planet’s climate is doing its own thing, but we cannot pinpoint significant trends in changes to it because it dates back millions of years while the study of it began only recently. We are children of the Sun; we simply lack data to draw the proper conclusions.”

— Russian Scientist Dr. Anatoly Levitin, the head of geomagnetic variations laboratory at the Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radiowave Propagation of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

“Hundreds of billion dollars have been wasted with the attempt of imposing a Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) theory that is not supported by physical world evidences…AGW has been forcefully imposed by means of a barrage of scare stories and indoctrination that begins in the elementary school textbooks.”

— Brazilian Geologist Geraldo Luís Lino, who authored the 2009 book “The Global Warming Fraud: How a Natural Phenomenon Was Converted into a False World Emergency.”

“I am an environmentalist,” but “I must disagree with Mr. Gore” — Chemistry Professor Dr. Mary Mumper, the chair of the Chemistry Department at Frostburg State University in Maryland, during her presentation titled “Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide and Global Warming, the Skeptic’s View.”

“I am ashamed of what climate science has become today.” The science “community is relying on an inadequate model to blame CO2 and innocent citizens for global warming in order to generate funding and to gain attention. If this is what ‘science’ has become today, I, as a scientist, am ashamed.”

— Research Chemist William C. Gilbert published a study in August 2010 in the journal Energy & Environment titled “The thermodynamic relationship between surface temperature and water vapor concentration in the troposphere” and he published a paper in August 2009 titled “Atmospheric Temperature Distribution in a Gravitational Field.” [Update December 9, 2010]

“The dysfunctional nature of the climate sciences is nothing short of a scandal. Science is too important for our society to be misused in the way it has been done within the Climate Science Community.” The global warming establishment “has actively suppressed research results presented by researchers that do not comply with the dogma of the IPCC.”

— Swedish Climatologist Dr. Hans Jelbring, of the Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Unit at Stockholm University. [Updated December 9, 2010. Corrects Jelbring's quote.]

“Those who call themselves ‘Green planet advocates’ should be arguing for a CO2- fertilized atmosphere, not a CO2-starved atmosphere…Diversity increases when the planet was warm AND had high CO2 atmospheric content…Al Gore’s personal behavior supports a green planet – his enormous energy use with his 4 homes and his bizjet, does indeed help make the planet greener. Kudos, Al for doing your part to save the planet.”

— Renowned engineer and aviation/space pioneer Burt Rutan, who was named “100 most influential people in the world, 2004″ by Time Magazine and Newsweek called him “the man responsible for more innovations in modern aviation than any living engineer.”

“Global warming is the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the Resurrection is the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing the new faith…My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a physicist who has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science is. In effect the scientific method has been abandoned in this field.”

— Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research.

“We maintain there is no reason whatsoever to worry about man-made climate change, because there is no evidence whatsoever that such a thing is happening.” — Greek Earth scientists Antonis Christofides and Nikos Mamassis of the National Technical University of Athens’ Department of Water Resources and Environmental Engineering.

“There are clear cycles during which both temperature and salinity rise and fall. These cycles are related to solar activity…In my opinion and that of our institute, the problems connected to the current stage of warming are being exaggerated. What we are dealing with is not a global warming of the atmosphere or of the oceans.”

— Biologist Pavel Makarevich of the Biological Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

“Because the greenhouse effect is temporary rather than permanent, predictions of significant global warming in the 21st century by IPCC are not supported by the data.” — Hebrew University Professor Dr. Michael Beenstock an honorary fellow with Institute for Economic Affairs who published a study challenging man-made global warming claims titled “Polynomial Cointegration Tests of the Anthropogenic Theory of Global Warming.”

“The whole idea of anthropogenic global warming is completely unfounded. There appears to have been money gained by Michael Mann, Al Gore and UN IPCC’s Rajendra Pachauri as a consequence of this deception, so it’s fraud.” — South African astrophysicist Hilton Ratcliffe, a member of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa (ASSA) and the Astronomical Society of the Pacific and a Fellow of the British Institute of Physics.
 

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Sadly your unsourced cut and paste from Dr For doesn't include and basis for his claims of fraud.
We need to remember what science is it is not a compilation of facts. Rather it is a set of processes used to gather relatively reliable information about the world we live in, our societies and ourselves. It is the formality of these processes that gives science its privilege and validity over other claims to knowledge about our world that can only come from belief, received wisdom, or anecdote. When this formality is broken whether by unsupported claims , hidden biases , lack of reproducibility , and inadequate peer review public trust in science is harmed and its privilege is undermined.

PROFESSOR SIR PETER GLUCKMAN, ONZ, KNZM, FRS, FMEDSCI, FRSNZ ARTHUR E MILLS MEMORIAL ORATION TO THE ROYAL AUSTRALASIAN COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS, MAY 18TH 2014 P ETER GLUCKMAN is the Chief Scientific Advisor to the Government of New Zealand, and broadly supportive of the general line on "climate change”. His emphasis on the formality of scientific processes is not contentious, and his list of breaches in that formality and their harm to public trust is worth considering with respect to Michael E Mann and his work:

1) Unsupported claims In the Summary for Policy Makers of its Third Assessment Review, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change made the single most dramatic assertion in the history of the global-warming movement: The increase in temperature in the 20th century is likely to have been the largest of any century during the past 1,000 years. It is also likely that, in the Northern Hemisphere, the 1990s was the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year. The only evidence offered in support of this statement was Michael Mann’s hockey stick. Does it, indeed, support such a claim? Not according to many of the scientists in these pages. The Danish climatologist Bo Christiansen examined nine Mann “hockey sticks” and says it is “almost impossible to conclude” from any of them that “the present period is warmer than any period in the reconstructed period”. Professor David Legates writes that “one can have no confidence in the claim that the 1990s are the warmest decade of the last two millennia” (by then Mann had extended his flexi-shaft back another millennium.) Almost every other serious reconstruction shows much greater natural climate variability, and the 1990s within the bounds of that. And, as Professors McShane and Wyner point out, most of these reconstructions look nothing like hockey sticks. Indeed, it remains an open question whether what his oeuvre purports to divine a “global temperature” is in a scientific sense “supportable”. In the absence of reliable tropical data, says Dr David Rind, “we have no way of knowing how cold (or warm) the globe actually got”. So unsupported claims: yes.

2) Hidden biases Later in this book, Nobel Prize winner Ivar Giaever reminds us that “in pseudoscience you begin with a hypothesis which is very appealing to you, and then you only look for things which confirm the hypothesis”. Mann began with a hypothesis that the global temperature record had been pretty stable for 900 years and then in the 20th century it soared up and out the roof. And so he looked for “things which confirm the hypothesis”: As Mann put it, “one set of tree-ring records” was “of critical importance” in conjuring his stick .So his hypothesis that it looks like a hockey stick is confirmed only because a tree ring that produces a hockey-stick shape is given 390 times the weight of a tree ring that does not. That tells you nothing about what the temperature was in the 15th century, but a lot about Mann’s biases. He chose a statistical method that, as the US National Research Council noted rather primly, “tends to bias the shape of the reconstructions”. Furthermore, the scientists who actually collected the tree-ring data that Mann cannibalized insist they’re primarily an indicator of CO 2 fertilization, not temperature. At the IPCC level, he maintained his bias against anything that contradicted his hypothesis. As Professor John Christy testified to Congress, Mann “misrepresented the temperature record of the past thousand years by (a) promoting his own result as the best estimate, (b) neglecting studies that contradicted his, and (c) amputating another’s result so as to eliminate conflicting data”. Hidden biases: yes.

3) Lack of reproducibility Is Mann’s work “reproducible”? They gave it a go in Berlin. “She came to the conclusion that she cannot reproduce his diagram,” says Professor Ulrich Cubasch. “The real problem in this case, in my view, is that Michael Mann does not disclose his data.” Except for a small trusted coterie, Mann declined for years to release the elements needed to reproduce his stick. In evidence before the House of Commons in London, Professor Darrel Ince noted Mann’s refusal to cough up his computer code, and said that he would “regard any papers based on the software as null and void”. His stick could be neither proved nor disproved and, as Professor Vincent Courtillot reminded European climatologists, if “it’s not falsifiable, it’s not science”. Lack of reproducibility: yup. So three strikes, he’s out. No, wait, that’s another sport entirely.

For hockey, you need four.

4) Inadequate peer review “The hockey stick is an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence,” wrote Oxford physicist Jonathan Jones. Nature never asked for any and, when it fell to others to demonstrate the flaws of the stick, the journal declined to share their findings with its readers. Mann and a few close allies controlled the fora that mattered, and banished any dissidents. “It’s a completely rigged peer-review system,” concluded CalTech’s Dr David Rutledge. Fourth strike. The unsupported claims, hidden biases, lack of reproducibility and inadequate peer review of Mann have surely harmed “public trust in science”. What follows is one scientist and his science, by those who know both the work and the man.
 

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According to Fuji, that leads to man-made global "cooling." :thumb:

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There is still no conclusive evidence of what occurred first,...did the globes temp rise naturaly,...as it has for 30 years in the past from 1900, for some unknown reason ,...and therefor increase water vapour,...or did CO2 increase to raise the globes temp that subsequently raised water vapour.

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According to Fuji, that leads to man-made global "cooling." :thumb:

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You really have reading comprehension issues. You don't know the difference between the stratosphere and the troposphere and therefore make an ass of yourself. The stratosphere DOES cool as a result of heat not making it out if the troposphere.. TS gets warmer, SS gets cooler.

You really don't understand fuck all about this topic.
 

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There is still no conclusive evidence of what occurred first,...did the globes temp rise naturaly,...as it has for 30 years in the past from 1900, for some unknown reason ,...and therefor increase water vapour,...or did CO2 increase to raise the globes temp that subsequently raised water vapour.

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Yes there is conclusive proof, and you've seen it, which makes you a liar.
 

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There is still no conclusive evidence of what occurred first,...did the globes temp rise naturaly,...as it has for 30 years in the past from 1900, for some unknown reason ,...and therefor increase water vapour,...or did CO2 increase to raise the globes temp that subsequently raised water vapour.

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Our resident climate "expert's" response,...another childish insult and NOTHING more,...but to be expected.


Yes there is conclusive proof, and you've seen it, which makes you a liar.


Contribution
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Water vapor and clouds H2O 10–50,000(A) 36–72%
Carbon dioxide CO2 ~400 9–26%

Per NASA

"•Water vapor. The most abundant greenhouse gas, but importantly, it acts as a feedback to the climate. Water vapor increases as the Earth's atmosphere warms, but so does the possibility of clouds and precipitation, making these some of the most important feedback mechanisms to the greenhouse effect."

Does NOT confirm,... the "chicken or the egg".

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The science and politics of climate change Ian Plimer We derive scientific evidence from measurement, observation, and experiment. Evidence must be repeatable and collected over and over again. Computers do not generate evidence: they analyse evidence that should have been repeated and validated. On the basis of the evidence and analysis of evidence, an explanation is given. This explanation is a scientific theory and must be in accord with other validated evidence from diverse sources (this is known as the coherence criterion in science). Unlike in law, there is no inadmissible evidence in science. Science is underpinned by practitioners who must be sceptical of the methodology used to collect evidence, the analysis of evidence, and the conclusions based on the evidence. On the basis of new evidence, scientists must always be prepared to change their opinions. Science bows to no authority, is not based on a consensus, and is in a constant state of flux. No great advance in science has been made by consensus: advances have been made by individuals paddling upstream. If a scientific theory is not in accord with validated evidence, then the theory must be abandoned and reconstructed. It is scepticism that underpins science, not the comfort of consensus. The theory of human-induced global warming is not science because research is based on a pre-ordained conclusion, huge bodies of evidence are ignored, and the analytical procedures are treated as evidence. Furthermore, climate ‘science’ is sustained by government research grants. Funds are not available to investigate theories that are not in accord with government ideology. Many Western governments have a politically popular ideology that argues that:
i. There is an increase in emissions of carbon dioxide ( CO 2 ) by human activities;
ii. The increased CO 2 , a greenhouse gas, will lead to ever increasing global warming; iii. There will be tipping points, sea level rises, extinctions and ocean acidification; iv. Climate change will be irreversible and that human emissions of CO 2 must be reduced or stopped as soon as possible; and v. In order to stop climate change, energy sources need to be shifted from coal, gas and oil to wind, solar, tidal and biomass. i.
There is an increase in emissions of carbon dioxide by human activities Point (i) is correct. These emissions derive mainly from the developing world and the understandable desire of its people to reach the same standard of living as the Western middle class. It was coal in the Industrial Revolution that originally led to the rise of the middle class in the West. Now the new industrial revolution in China, India and East Asia is causing the largest migration of humans that has ever occurred, the rise of the middle class in these nations, and the use of steel and electricity, both of which derive from coal. The very slight increase in atmospheric CO 2 has led to a slight greening of the planet. As all farmers know, CO 2 is plant food and the emission of increasingly large amounts of CO 2 by humans is good for life on Earth. ii. The increased carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, will lead to ever increasing global warming Point (ii) has shown to be invalid on all time scales. There is no doubt that CO 2 is a greenhouse gas. However, the main greenhouse gas is water vapour. The first 100 parts per million (ppm) of CO 2 have a significant effect on atmospheric temperature, whereas any increase from the current 400 ppm will have an insignificant effect. Furthermore, because CO 2 has a short residence time in the atmosphere, it is naturally sequestered into the oceans, life, or rocks in less than a decade. In fact, only one molecule of every 85,000 in the atmosphere is CO 2 of human origin, and yet we are asked to believe that this one molecule drives hugely complex climate change systems. We are also asked to believe that the 32 molecules of CO 2 of natural origin in every 85,000 molecules play no part in driving climate change. Despite a significant increase in industrial emissions of CO 2 , there has been no increase in global atmospheric temperature over the past seventeen years. This shows that the theory that CO 2 emissions of human origin drive global warming (and climate change) must be rejected. But this rejection has not yet taken place. In ice core measurements, the
evidence shows that temperature increase occurs hundreds to thousands of years before there is an increase in atmospheric CO 2 . This again shows that atmospheric CO 2 does not drive atmospheric temperature change. On yet another scale, geology shows that all six of the great ice ages were initiated when atmospheric CO 2 was far higher than at present and, with the first two great ice ages, up to a thousand times higher than the current atmospheric CO 2 content. Furthermore, geology shows that there has been sequestration of atmospheric CO 2 into limey sediments, other rocks and life for 2,500 million years. This process continues. The Earth currently has a very low CO 2 content compared with the past. We actually live in a cold epoch. Ice is a rare rock and has been on Earth for less than twenty per cent of its history. For most of time, planet Earth has been warmer and wetter. In the past, ecosystems thrived when there was a high atmospheric carbon dioxide content—especially if it was warm. This is known by horticulturalists. They pump warm CO 2 into glass houses. The optimum CO 2 content is more than 1,600 ppm (as compared with the current atmospheric content of 400 ppm). History shows that communities thrived when it was warm and there was massive depopulation during cooler times. It is only recently—when Westerners have been very affluent—that people have feared the warmth. In former times, communities feared the cold.
Irrespective about what theories you want to believe, tell me one fundamental fact about what this thread is all about:
Carbon Dioxide does not Rise Up as it is denser than air. So there is no CO2 or very limited amounts of carbon dioxide in air at elevated levels compared to the carbon dioxide in air at sea level. Due you say it is true? If it is true then it "does not trap and retain heat", is what this thread is trying to say.
Now do not answer it with some copy and paste bs, just answer this question.
 
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