Climate Change
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I live in this society and want to change it for the better.
You want the oil companies to make more money making your own life worse.
Your argument is tired and wrongheaded.
Branding climate activists hypocrites for wanting to decrease fossil fuel consumption while at the same time burning them is, therefore, a logical fallacy.
Branding climate activists hypocrites for wanting to decrease fossil fuel consumption while at the same time burning them is, therefore, a logical fallacy.
Abolitionists who opposed slavery in the United States, for instance, wore clothes that were spun from the cotton harvested by slaves.
"But that did not make them hypocrites," Harvard historian Naomi Oreskes told The Nation in 2015.
"It just meant that they were also part of the slave economy, and they knew it. That is why they acted to change the system, not just their clothes."
The hypocrite argument also falls apart because it ignores big structural factors.
Personal decisions or forced decisions?
Sure, some people do live off the grid, or walk and ride their bikes everywhere. But, for most of us, it's nearly impossible to escape creating greenhouse gases.
Fossil fuels don't just heat our homes and fuel our vehicles, they are also the foundation of almost everything from electronics to painkillers.
"Our whole society is structured around fossil fuels," says Duncan Kenyon of the Pembina Institute.
"It's the backbone of our society, our economy."
It's, therefore, nonsensical to suggest that having a carbon footprint means you can't legitimately raise concerns about climate change and its potentially dire ramifications.
Protestors demonstrating cuts to the health-care system wouldn't likely forgo lifesaving treatment at a hospital if they needed it.
i don't read government funded and elite family funded propaganda from the CBC, the nation and other related sources
So are you telling us that you don't know the difference between burning oil into the atmosphere and converting oil into other products, not the concept of amounts.
Good to know.
In order for those products to be made and transported by trucks into stores, gasoline had to have been burnt and CO2 had to have been created
You posted the global temperature map, gloating that the Antarctic was below average temperature yet you ignored the huge swathe of the world that was well above. I guess all you have left is random excuses now.
Grossly over simplified.
tar sands. West Texas crude.
shipped ( piped )to the US refineries on the coast at a significant discount. Refined and sold to the world as by products at significant profits…
www.oilsandsmagazine.com
And if it were actually all about saving the environment…..we got bigger things to worry about.
tar sands. West Texas crude.
shipped ( piped )to the US refineries on the coast at a significant discount. Refined and sold to the world as by products at significant profits…
Products from the Oil Sands: Dilbit, Synbit and Synthetic Crude Explained | Oil Sands Magazine
Oil sands facilities produce one of two products: either a heavy marketable (non-upgraded) diluted bitumen, or a light upgraded synthetic crude oil. Both can be sold to refineries for conversion into final consumer products.
www.oilsandsmagazine.com
And if it were actually all about saving the environment…..we got bigger things to worry about.
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those products are transported by trucks from factories to warehouses and to stores and shops that sell them
I know, you only read hate sources and right wing disinformation.
That's why you think Amnesty International is 'terrorist 'propaganda'.
Your mind is filled with the hate the right wing sells you to keep you doing what they want.
What Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán Understand About Your Brain
Why do some people who support Trump also wind up believing conspiracy theories? There’s a scientific explanation for that.
www.politico.com
Grossly over simplified.
tar sands. West Texas crude.
shipped ( piped )to the US refineries on the coast at a significant discount. Refined and sold to the world as by products at significant profits…
Products from the Oil Sands: Dilbit, Synbit and Synthetic Crude Explained | Oil Sands Magazine
Oil sands facilities produce one of two products: either a heavy marketable (non-upgraded) diluted bitumen, or a light upgraded synthetic crude oil. Both can be sold to refineries for conversion into final consumer products.
And if it were actually all about saving the environment…..we got bigger things to worry about.
Most of the 667 fires that have erupted across Greece in recent weeks were started “by human hand”, the country’s senior climate crisis official has said.
As the Mediterranean country emerges from an unprecedented, 15-day period of heatwave-induced infernos, the scale of the destruction is finally being laid bare.
While weather conditions have been different from any other year – with experts calling the first three weeks of July the hottest on record – most of the fires could have been prevented, the government claimed on Friday.
Vassilis Kikilias, the Greek minister of climate crisis and civil protection, told reporters: “During this time 667 fires erupted, that is more than 60 fires a day, almost all over the country. Unfortunately, the majority were ignited by human hand, either by criminal negligence or intent.
Most fires in Greece were started ‘by human hand’, government says | Greece | The Guardian
Algeria: arson suspects arrested over deadly forest fires
The Public Prosecutor of the Judicial Council of Algeria's Bejaia Province announced yesterday that 14 suspected arsonists have been arrested in connection with deadly forest fires that have killed 34 people. The suspects will be charged with committing criminal acts and put on trial. The death toll includes ten army personnel and 24 civilians.
Algeria's civil defence teams continue to try to extinguish the fires in 13 areas across seven provinces. The areas where the fires have been extinguished remain under surveillance by the authorities in case they reignite.
According to the interior ministry, 80 per cent of the forest fires that have been raging for days in the country have been extinguished.
Algeria: arson suspects arrested over deadly forest fires – Middle East Monitor
As the Mediterranean country emerges from an unprecedented, 15-day period of heatwave-induced infernos, the scale of the destruction is finally being laid bare.
While weather conditions have been different from any other year – with experts calling the first three weeks of July the hottest on record – most of the fires could have been prevented, the government claimed on Friday.
Vassilis Kikilias, the Greek minister of climate crisis and civil protection, told reporters: “During this time 667 fires erupted, that is more than 60 fires a day, almost all over the country. Unfortunately, the majority were ignited by human hand, either by criminal negligence or intent.
Most fires in Greece were started ‘by human hand’, government says | Greece | The Guardian
Algeria: arson suspects arrested over deadly forest fires
The Public Prosecutor of the Judicial Council of Algeria's Bejaia Province announced yesterday that 14 suspected arsonists have been arrested in connection with deadly forest fires that have killed 34 people. The suspects will be charged with committing criminal acts and put on trial. The death toll includes ten army personnel and 24 civilians.
Algeria's civil defence teams continue to try to extinguish the fires in 13 areas across seven provinces. The areas where the fires have been extinguished remain under surveillance by the authorities in case they reignite.
According to the interior ministry, 80 per cent of the forest fires that have been raging for days in the country have been extinguished.
Algeria: arson suspects arrested over deadly forest fires – Middle East Monitor
previous wildfires in Algeria set by Arsonists
By Reuters • Updated: 11/08/2021
ALGIERS – Algeria’s government on Tuesday said arsonists were responsible for dozens of forest fires that have killed six people and destroyed homes east of the capital.
Plumes of smoke rose from pockets of fire in the forest in Tizi Ouzou region on Tuesday, while residents used tree branches and hurled water from plastic containers in an attempt to put out the flames however they could.
Several houses were burnt and families were escaping to hotels and youth hostels, witnesses said, as the dense smoke hampered the visibility of fire crews.
“We had a horror night. My house is completely burnt,” said Mohamed Kaci, who had fled from Azazga village to a hotel with his family.
Interior Minister Kamel Beldjoud said an investigation would be launched to identify those behind the blazes as he put the death toll at six.
“Only criminal hands can be behind the simultaneous outbreak of about 50 fires across several localities of the province,” he said on state television.
Algeria blames forest fires on arson, death toll rises to six | Euronews
ALGERIA: Forest fires, authorities suspect arsonists
By Boris Ngounou - Published on August 22 2022 / Modified on August 22 2022
By Reuters • Updated: 11/08/2021
ALGIERS – Algeria’s government on Tuesday said arsonists were responsible for dozens of forest fires that have killed six people and destroyed homes east of the capital.
Plumes of smoke rose from pockets of fire in the forest in Tizi Ouzou region on Tuesday, while residents used tree branches and hurled water from plastic containers in an attempt to put out the flames however they could.
Several houses were burnt and families were escaping to hotels and youth hostels, witnesses said, as the dense smoke hampered the visibility of fire crews.
“We had a horror night. My house is completely burnt,” said Mohamed Kaci, who had fled from Azazga village to a hotel with his family.
Interior Minister Kamel Beldjoud said an investigation would be launched to identify those behind the blazes as he put the death toll at six.
“Only criminal hands can be behind the simultaneous outbreak of about 50 fires across several localities of the province,” he said on state television.
Algeria blames forest fires on arson, death toll rises to six | Euronews
ALGERIA: Forest fires, authorities suspect arsonists
By Boris Ngounou - Published on August 22 2022 / Modified on August 22 2022
in order for a great many products to be made, they requite heat from energy i.e most plastic parts
e.g. cement has to be heated to 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit
a lot of metal parts are heated/ formed, multiple times
the lonnies have no idea how energy intensive their lives are
No, only 23% were started by humans.
Greece wildfires: how climate change is involved, and what we can do about it
Climate change promotes ideal conditions for catastrophic fires, but the most drastic changes can still be avoided.
theconversation.com
Regardless, the only reason that they are turning into major fires is drought/dryness from climate change making everything ready to burn.
No, most forest fires started by humans are done so out of carelessness, not intentionally.
You're spreading disinformation again.
How Canada’s wildfires start: climate misinformation explained | The Narwhal
How are wildfire conspiracies like arson and space lasers spreading? How bad are Canada’s wildfires? An explainer
thenarwhal.ca
The right wing marks are so behind the times.
Pot meets kettle you NEVER read sources that disagree with you. All you do is post elite funded and terrorist linked sources and regurgitate their propagandaI know, you only read hate sources and right wing disinformation.
That's why you think Amnesty International is 'terrorist 'propaganda'.
Your mind is filled with the hate the right wing sells you to keep you doing what they want.
What Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán Understand About Your Brain
Why do some people who support Trump also wind up believing conspiracy theories? There’s a scientific explanation for that.
If you bother to read the sources I linked quoting Government of both countries all saying arsonists are setting fires. and if you did high school geography you will learn that Algeria near the coast and Greece all have climates with hot dry summers and cool rainy winters aka the Mediterranean climate.No, most forest fires started by humans are done so out of carelessness, not intentionally.
You're spreading disinformation again.
How Canada’s wildfires start: climate misinformation explained | The Narwhal
How are wildfire conspiracies like arson and space lasers spreading? How bad are Canada’s wildfires? An explainer
They love to preach, but they dont practice any of it themselves. Guys like Bill gates and DiCaprio fly around in private planes which create more CO2's in 1 flight then an entire family does in 1 year driving their cars. They are the ultimate hypocrites.
Tell me LaRue, do you agree with my following points:
- Earth is warming SLIGHTLY but its no big concern. I estimate its only warming by about 0.1 C degrees per decade.
- We have been burning fossil fuels for about 100 years and sea levels havent risen dramatically.
- We have been burning fossil fuels for about 100 years and earth hasnt warmed significantly.
- Even in worst case scenarios the North pole, South pole, and Greenland ice sheet arent going to melt and flood the world.
- We have only 45 years of oil left, so we have no choice but to switch to electric cars anyways.
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Reserve life of known oil resources depends on which of these
classifications you base your estimates on:
1) Proven producing reserves
2) Proven reserves
3) Proven + probable reserves
4) Proven + probable + unproven reserves
1+2 will not last longer than 45 years without Infill drilling required to
arrest aggressive production decline within its producing lifetime. 3
should continue producing beyond 45 years from now provided
that its natural decline rate is properly managed. 4 could continue
producing anywhere from near the end of this century to anywhere
within the 22nd century depending on how crazy the world will be
scrambling to deplete Earth's most precious energy resources
to the last drop.
In the near term oil production volume will be very much a function
of oil prices. If oil prices are high enough like $200 you could see
production rising above or staying around its all time peak for several
more years. Of course oil prices that high could also collapse the economy
and demand for oil as well.
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