Clarity...

Don Draper

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Sunday evening with my S.O.

Cooking dinner, having drinks, watching film. Always enjoyable.

I've always been been very clear with her: "I'm not the marrying kind". Marriage!?!?!? It's not going to happen. It's been three years now.

Who validates this: Government? Church? What a fucking joke! Hypocritical, duplicitous, archaic entities. Clarity between two people is gospel.

So, we're in bed, hot and heavy and I'm ready to enter her and she puts her hand on my chest and pushes me back, says: "When are you going to marry me?"

I say: "We're clear on this, aren't we" I've always been up front and honest with you". Lush meals, weekends in NYC, Quebec City, Montreal.

Trips to Europe, Caribbean, Asia. Except when she treats on my B-day, she's never paid for a meal in her life. I can easily afford this. She's spoiled.

Theatre, Films, Opera, Broadway shows, dinner with friends. It's a good life. Quite a good life. Most would envy.

She says: "I thought you were going to change your mind. You were supposed to change your mind."

I say: "after three years, you know the deal. I've been honest and clear. I've never lied to you".

She sulks and says: "I'm not in the mood".

I get up, put her things in a small duffel bag and call a Uber to go back to her place.

I come back to the bedroom: "I'm not in the mood either. Your Uber is here. Have a good night."

What a great feeling to say those simple words.

She's gobsmacked. Gets dressed. Out she goes. Good night. The look in her eyes is absolute "deer in the headlights".

I got to say, it's a good feeling she left. I was always up front with her. No regrets. I've been here before.


What good is being clear with women if they don't want to listen?

There will be another woman. There's always another one. As sure as the sun rises, God knows.

I know this from experience. I have other options. I'll follow up on them now.

I write this for all those brothers and colleagues who've gone through this before.

...and the beat goes on...
 

tastingyou

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No I am not a misogynist. But sometimes women do not realize how good their have it.

Occasionally women overplay their hand and think that "their" special
pussy puts them in the driver's seat.

I say if you enjoyed each other give her another chance if she asks. She is probably wondering today why she behaved as she did.
 
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jcpro

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I don't say it often nor lightly: Don you're a mensch.
 
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spraggamuffin

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Women want access to the whole hog,, I mean wallet/bank account.
Spoiling her is just not enough,
She might be insecure thinking after three years, some other woman can move in and enjoy all this
 
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contact

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Give her another go but ask her to never bring it up again If she does then end it. That is if you enjoy having her around
 

chodge

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Sunday evening with my S.O.

Cooking dinner, having drinks, watching film. Always enjoyable.

I've always been been very clear with her: "I'm not the marrying kind". Marriage!?!?!? It's not going to happen. It's been three years now.

Who validates this: Government? Church? What a fucking joke! Hypocritical, duplicitous, archaic entities. Clarity between two people is gospel.

So, we're in bed, hot and heavy and I'm ready to enter her and she puts her hand on my chest and pushes me back, says: "When are you going to marry me?"

I say: "We're clear on this, aren't we" I've always been up front and honest with you". Lush meals, weekends in NYC, Quebec City, Montreal.

Trips to Europe, Caribbean, Asia. Except when she treats on my B-day, she's never paid for a meal in her life. I can easily afford this. She's spoiled.

Theatre, Films, Opera, Broadway shows, dinner with friends. It's a good life. Quite a good life. Most would envy.

She says: "I thought you were going to change your mind. You were supposed to change your mind."

I say: "after three years, you know the deal. I've been honest and clear. I've never lied to you".

She sulks and says: "I'm not in the mood".

I get up, put her things in a small duffel bag and call a Uber to go back to her place.

I come back to the bedroom: "I'm not in the mood either. Your Uber is here. Have a good night."

What a great feeling to say those simple words.

She's gobsmacked. Gets dressed. Out she goes. Good night. The look in her eyes is absolute "deer in the headlights".

I got to say, it's a good feeling she left. I was always up front with her. No regrets. I've been here before.


What good is being clear with women if they don't want to listen?

There will be another woman. There's always another one. As sure as the sun rises, God knows.

I know this from experience. I have other options. I'll follow up on them now.

I write this for all those brothers and colleagues who've gone through this before.

...and the beat goes on...
Good thing is was pre nut clarity
 
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Kobeisking

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"In the poker game of life, women are the rake....they are the fucking rake!"

Worm- (Rounders 1998)
 
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xmontrealer

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Women want security. Especially old age security.

Don's lady lived in hope that, despite his oft-repeated statements that he would never marry her, he would one day realize her value and secure the relationship through marriage.

She may worry that at some point Don will leave her for a younger woman. In any case she hears the clock ticking and gets more fearful as time passes.

Don has been upfront and is blameless here. She may come crawling back, but she'll bring her fears with her...

In truth as I read Don's post I sense that he's kind of happy she's gone, the hard part of breaking up is over, and he's free to seek new female adventures!

On the other hand, in the "you don't miss your water until it's gone department", he may actually miss her to the extent that he'll want to resume the relationship and actually consider marriage...
 
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Tomoreno

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For those who believe it's a legit story: Was it 3 years of dating or living together???

3 years of dating at our age seems stupid and no one would expect marriage if it's more of a casual relationship.

If it's 3 years of living together then OP and his SO are commom law and he just fckd himself royally because there's going to be legal trouble.

Either way, there's plenty of fish out there.

Yours Trully,
Penthouse
 
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Don Draper

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Seems to me there is a lot of resentment towards women on this board.
Like the natural order of things, there will always be resentment towards women who have been duplicitous and calculating towards men.

Likewise, there will always be resentment towards men from women who have been cheated on, lied to and even been (despicably) beaten.

A good woman is just as hard to find as a good man. It's a two way street.

When a woman uses sex as a 'negotiating tactic', she sinks to the lowest level of reprehensible and despicable. The vagina is not "in charge of things".

If a man is dumb and whipped enough to fall for it and perpetuate it (for himself and others), then he deserves what he gets. To eat his own shit.

When a woman plays that card, the man must walk away. Always.
 
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MuffDiver

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I have to agree with Don Draper. As I've aged, I've grown intolerant of these sorts of games an will move on as well. It is incredibly difficult to tell someone to gather up their stuff and show them the door, but I have done it twice in the last 6 years.

While not a legal expert, I don't give them a key and they have their own primary residence. Hopefully that is sufficient protection to avoid any common law claims.
 

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Spoken from a woman's point of view...

I rest my case! (as detailed in my post #10 above)
Seriously. There is always one isn’t there. LOL


She wasted those years because she wanted something more then he was willing to give.

That is on her. He was upfront. I agree with him.

She shouldn’t have wasted 3 years of her life hoping for something that wasn’t going to happen.

How is that “spoken from a woman’s point of view.?” That is everyone’s point of view In this thread, is it not???
 
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