Civil War: MAGA in Turmoil
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Your post was well written even if it is the same old and often repeated arguments attempting to legitimize illegal immigration.
I am curious. Did you find it difficult to insert "millions" to make this statement above truly accurate?
You said racist, but I said, in an earlier post:
So let us not water down Trump's administration's fascism, to simply calling them racist.
And no, my argument isn't murky.
Having a brown guy in the administration means nothing.
Hitler partnered with captured Indian POWs during WW2.
You know Savitri Devi? She was a French born Greek Nazi, who moved to India, converted to Hinduism and married an Indian Nazi (platonically) and published Nazi newspapers there.
Doesn't make the argument that Hitler or Savitri were fascist and racist murky.
The leader of the German neo-Nazi party, AfD, is a Lesbian.
I said in an earlier post somewhere that today's far right are diverse and not necessarily white.
Your argument therefore relies on tokenism and that is not going to hold up to scrutiny.
Ehh, testosterone-charged alpha males are everywhere especially business. They have just become very careful of the audience around them in public. They tend to be comfortable talking to me because I don't try to judge them or culturally correct them.
Frankly, you should realize some of them will show up at a website like TERB.
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No you are misreading my post.
Like it or not, Trump has good relations with many groups and countries of color. He might wrongly go overboard on Somalis. Then immediately express support for Nigerian Christians. And then speak highly of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. In the next breath, he might put down Europeans.
Trump is very transactional. His rhetoric is over the top and often insulting. As far as clearly seeing a consistent pattern of racism, you can see racism if that is your concern.
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This is how you understand the Trump presidency, Earp.
First of all, it's not a real presidency in the sense that it has real, genuine policy goals or any desire to actually run the country. It's a "reality show presidency".
Instead of policy goals or administrative initiatives, it has weekly plot points and gimmicks to gain viewers. Sending the army into Chicago does nothing to solve crime; but it's a juicy plot device to boost viewer involvement for a couple of weeks. It generates video shots, photo ops and plot tension from the inevitable opposition from Pritzker and the Dems. And at the end of 2 or 3 weeks, the plot device gets boring and we move on to the next plot device - bombing Venezuelan fishermen. And so on.
The cabinet members aren't people who have actual ability. They are 2-dimensional caricatures. There's the drunken frat boy, Hegseth. The weirdo anti vax guy who's also - and this is bonus points! - a Kennedy. The blonde hottie, Bondi. The Manhattan businessman, Witkoff. The fact that they are distinct, uncomplicated and predictably dumbass makes them a scriptwriter's dream. And it makes it easy for the dumbass MAGA audience to identify which is which and cheer for their favourites.
And of course, there is the comical, subservient non white character - sort of like a modern day Tonto to Trump's Lone Ranger. And yes - you guessed it! - that's Patel. He's brown and goofy with starey eyes and a fat, dumpy little body and he does comic character stuff like use the FBI's plane to fly his hottie white girlfriend around the US. That's what a non white goofball character is supposed to do. So he works perfectly in the overall plot.
You just miss 90% of what's going on around you, Earp.
You still wanna dispute it was a drug boat or not lmao
It was a drug boat lmao...you can't identify between a man or a woman yet somehow you can identify a drug boat? Lmao
Trump just renamed the US Institute of Peace after himself
President Donald Trump’s administration has rebranded the U.S. Institute of Peace to include his own name — after seizing control of the agency and slashing its funding.
On Wednesday, the State Department announced that the institute, a non-profit independent think tank, had been renamed the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace in order “to reflect the greatest dealmaker in our nation's history.”
Photos taken of the building, located a stone’s throw from the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C., show the president’s name placed prominently above the entrance.
“President Trump will be remembered by history as the President of Peace,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote in a post on X. “It's time our State Department display that.”
The name change comes amid a protracted legal struggle to determine who controls the agency, which was established by President Ronald Reagan in 1985 to promote conflict resolution. While financed by Congress, the institute operates independently and owns its headquarters, according to CNN.
Earlier this year, officials with the Department of Government Efficiency tried to forcibly enter the building and later returned with a police escort.
In March, over 200 employees were fired and most of the board was replaced, per NPR.
Since then, control of the institute has changed hands several times following lawsuits and court rulings. Former board members have argued the institute stands outside the president’s authority, while the Trump administration contends it is firmly within the purview of the executive branch.
A final ruling is expected from a federal appeals court, according to The Associated Press.
The institute faces an uncertain financial future. The president’s latest budget proposal for the coming fiscal year seeks to eliminate all of its funding.
“It’s pretty ironic that he put his name on an institution he destroyed,” a former official told CNN.
George Foote, an attorney representing the institute’s former leadership, said the rebranding “adds insult to injury.”
“A federal judge has already ruled that the government’s armed takeover was illegal,” he told The Associated Press. “That judgment is stayed while the government appeals, which is the only reason the government continues to control the building.”
The Trump administration is locked in a legal battle over control of the U.S. Institute of Peace, a nonprofit think tank in Washington, D.C. (AFP via Getty Images)
First lady Melania Trump participated in a discussion about ending cyberbullying at the U.S. Institute of Peace in 2018 (Getty Images)
The Trump administration, though, has defended the steep cuts — and applauded the recent rebranding.
White House Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly told CNN that the institute “was once a bloated, useless entity that blew $50 million per year while delivering no peace. Now, the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace, which is both beautifully and aptly named after a President who ended eight wars in less than a year, will stand as a powerful reminder of what strong leadership can accomplish for global stability.”
Since returning to office in January, Trump has sought to cast himself as a peacemaker on the global stage, pointing to the ceasefire he helped broker in Gaza and his repeated attempts to end the Ukraine War.
He spent months actively campaigning for the Nobel Peace Prize, a coveted honor he did not win this year. In making his case, he claimed credit for ending eight foreign conflicts — a claim that is "exaggerated," according to the AP.
President Donald Trump’s administration has rebranded the U.S. Institute of Peace to include his own name — after seizing control of the agency and slashing its funding.
On Wednesday, the State Department announced that the institute, a non-profit independent think tank, had been renamed the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace in order “to reflect the greatest dealmaker in our nation's history.”
Photos taken of the building, located a stone’s throw from the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C., show the president’s name placed prominently above the entrance.
“President Trump will be remembered by history as the President of Peace,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote in a post on X. “It's time our State Department display that.”
The name change comes amid a protracted legal struggle to determine who controls the agency, which was established by President Ronald Reagan in 1985 to promote conflict resolution. While financed by Congress, the institute operates independently and owns its headquarters, according to CNN.
Earlier this year, officials with the Department of Government Efficiency tried to forcibly enter the building and later returned with a police escort.
In March, over 200 employees were fired and most of the board was replaced, per NPR.
Since then, control of the institute has changed hands several times following lawsuits and court rulings. Former board members have argued the institute stands outside the president’s authority, while the Trump administration contends it is firmly within the purview of the executive branch.
A final ruling is expected from a federal appeals court, according to The Associated Press.
The institute faces an uncertain financial future. The president’s latest budget proposal for the coming fiscal year seeks to eliminate all of its funding.
“It’s pretty ironic that he put his name on an institution he destroyed,” a former official told CNN.
George Foote, an attorney representing the institute’s former leadership, said the rebranding “adds insult to injury.”
“A federal judge has already ruled that the government’s armed takeover was illegal,” he told The Associated Press. “That judgment is stayed while the government appeals, which is the only reason the government continues to control the building.”
The Trump administration is locked in a legal battle over control of the U.S. Institute of Peace, a nonprofit think tank in Washington, D.C. (AFP via Getty Images)
First lady Melania Trump participated in a discussion about ending cyberbullying at the U.S. Institute of Peace in 2018 (Getty Images)
The Trump administration, though, has defended the steep cuts — and applauded the recent rebranding.
White House Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly told CNN that the institute “was once a bloated, useless entity that blew $50 million per year while delivering no peace. Now, the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace, which is both beautifully and aptly named after a President who ended eight wars in less than a year, will stand as a powerful reminder of what strong leadership can accomplish for global stability.”
Since returning to office in January, Trump has sought to cast himself as a peacemaker on the global stage, pointing to the ceasefire he helped broker in Gaza and his repeated attempts to end the Ukraine War.
He spent months actively campaigning for the Nobel Peace Prize, a coveted honor he did not win this year. In making his case, he claimed credit for ending eight foreign conflicts — a claim that is "exaggerated," according to the AP.
The View's Sunny Hostin mocks 'clown' Donald Trump for running a 'circus' filled with 'unqualified' cabinet members
The co-hosts of The View once again took aim at Pete Hegseth and his boss on the ABC talk show.
On the Thursday, December 4, installment, the ladies agreed that they don't think Donald Trump will ever fire the United States Secretary of War despite him being involved in multiple controversies since he was appointed the position.
Sunny Hostin likened Donald Trump to a 'clown' running a 'circus' on 'The View.'@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
"He's not gonna get rid of him, I don't think so," stated Joy Behar.
Sunny Hostin explained her opinion by noting, "I think it would be admitting that [Trump] put forth the wrong person and he supposedly surrounds himself with the best people."
Sunny Hostin Calls Donald Trump a 'Clown'
Hostin believes Trump's Cabinet members are 'unqualified.'@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
"They’re so unqualified, I’m telling you. When you hire a clown, you get a circus," she declared, prompting applause from the live audience. "That’s what happens."
"There’s no real leadership at the top. It’s a circus," the former prosecutor emphasized.
'They're All Playing Dress Up'
'The View' stars slammed Pete Hegseth's deadly boat strikes on alleged Venezuelan drug traffickers.mega© OK Magazine (CA)
"Think about it: everyone’s playing dress up," Whoopi Goldberg chimed in. "From Kristi Noem to Pete Hegseth and Kash Patel – they’re all playing dress up. It’s like they think they’re in a movie."
"Hegseth, he found on television," Behar pointed out.
"Yes, but he wasn't in a movie!" the EGOT winner quipped, to which Behar replied, "Picky, picky, picky!"
Whoopi Goldberg joked Trump's colleagues are 'playing dress up.'@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
Hegseth's latest controversy has been a hot topic on the show due to the controversial boat strikes on alleged Venezuelan drug traffickers.
The politician denied claims that he was the one who gave the order for a second blow and kill anyone aboard, including initial survivors.
The stars agreed the second boat strike could be considered a war crime.@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
On the December 2 episode, the TV stars discussed how White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt revealed Hegseth "authorized Admiral Bradley" to conduct the second strike.
"I do believe we said yesterday that this is exactly what they were gonna do," said Goldberg in reaction. "Blame the folks who worked in that plane, because they knew that Pete, he's going to get a pardon, so he's not going to be held accountable [for actions that could be considered war crimes]."
"The lack of accountability from the top is despicable, it's disgusting," Hostin shared. "Everyone knows that when you work in the government, there's a hierarchy. If a warcrime was committed, everyone's responsible. Pete Hegseth is, that admiral is, whoever pulled the trigger is."
Meanwhile, Sara Haines went as far as to say she would consider the second strike "flat out murder."
The co-hosts of The View once again took aim at Pete Hegseth and his boss on the ABC talk show.
On the Thursday, December 4, installment, the ladies agreed that they don't think Donald Trump will ever fire the United States Secretary of War despite him being involved in multiple controversies since he was appointed the position.
Sunny Hostin likened Donald Trump to a 'clown' running a 'circus' on 'The View.'@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
"He's not gonna get rid of him, I don't think so," stated Joy Behar.
Sunny Hostin explained her opinion by noting, "I think it would be admitting that [Trump] put forth the wrong person and he supposedly surrounds himself with the best people."
Sunny Hostin Calls Donald Trump a 'Clown'
Hostin believes Trump's Cabinet members are 'unqualified.'@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
"They’re so unqualified, I’m telling you. When you hire a clown, you get a circus," she declared, prompting applause from the live audience. "That’s what happens."
"There’s no real leadership at the top. It’s a circus," the former prosecutor emphasized.
'They're All Playing Dress Up'
'The View' stars slammed Pete Hegseth's deadly boat strikes on alleged Venezuelan drug traffickers.mega© OK Magazine (CA)
"Think about it: everyone’s playing dress up," Whoopi Goldberg chimed in. "From Kristi Noem to Pete Hegseth and Kash Patel – they’re all playing dress up. It’s like they think they’re in a movie."
"Hegseth, he found on television," Behar pointed out.
"Yes, but he wasn't in a movie!" the EGOT winner quipped, to which Behar replied, "Picky, picky, picky!"
Whoopi Goldberg joked Trump's colleagues are 'playing dress up.'@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
Hegseth's latest controversy has been a hot topic on the show due to the controversial boat strikes on alleged Venezuelan drug traffickers.
The politician denied claims that he was the one who gave the order for a second blow and kill anyone aboard, including initial survivors.
The stars agreed the second boat strike could be considered a war crime.@theview/x© OK Magazine (CA)
On the December 2 episode, the TV stars discussed how White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt revealed Hegseth "authorized Admiral Bradley" to conduct the second strike.
"I do believe we said yesterday that this is exactly what they were gonna do," said Goldberg in reaction. "Blame the folks who worked in that plane, because they knew that Pete, he's going to get a pardon, so he's not going to be held accountable [for actions that could be considered war crimes]."
"The lack of accountability from the top is despicable, it's disgusting," Hostin shared. "Everyone knows that when you work in the government, there's a hierarchy. If a warcrime was committed, everyone's responsible. Pete Hegseth is, that admiral is, whoever pulled the trigger is."
Meanwhile, Sara Haines went as far as to say she would consider the second strike "flat out murder."
Hmmm......very interesting comment to interject into a discussion regarding racism.
No, I see a consistent pattern of fascism. Not just racism.
Racism is a sub-set. The issue here is fascism.
His transactional nature or the the fact that he has relations, to the extent you can even call them that, are not surprising.
As I highlighted in my previous post, fascists can and do work with others.
It doesn't take away from the fact that his administration is fascist.
Also, it is not just Trump but also people he surrounds himself with.
Stephen Miller for example, an avowed white supremacist and neo-Nazi and architect of his deportation policies.
There is nothing called an alpha human male.
They don't exist.
This is along debunked concept.
The appropriate replacement would be "assholes". lmfao.
He wrote a comic book The Plot Against the King.
He takes sycophantic cringe to a new level lmfao.
You are being naive about the world. There are telltale signs when transacting or interacting with illegal immigrants.
You don't know who I am and never will, but I know some Spanish essentially from dealing with people in my community.
I can make them feel more comfortable in many ways. However, that doesn't mean I want illegal immigration.
This is a direct contradiction with your argument that 95% of Americans will never encounter an illegal immigrant.
I don't know if you are attempting to bullshit us or you are bullshitting yourself. Nothing wrong with impassioned posts, but you have to keep your wits about you and resist kitchen sink arguments. Some of your points have merit, but volume of points don't necessarily make for a better overall argument.
PS- Valcazar and other Americans here are probably laughing to themselves re: your naive ideas above. Don't worry. More informed American progressives here will never contradict your ideas. They will just sit back and let you ride on your misinformation. You've been on the board long enough to know they will allow you speak out of turn.
Again, you are being naive or uninformed. Some services are mandated by law to be provided to anyone in the U.S.
Per Google AI:
Yes, children of undocumented immigrants can register for public school because federal law, upheld by the Supreme Court case Plyler v. Doe, requires all children in the United States to have access to a free public education regardless of immigration status. School districts cannot deny enrollment based on a child's or parent's immigration status, and they are generally prohibited from asking about it, although they can require proof of residency within the school district.
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA), a federal law, requires almost all hospitals with emergency departments (which are those participating in Medicare) to provide a medical screening and necessary stabilizing treatment to any individual who presents with an emergency medical condition, regardless of their immigration status, insurance status, or ability to pay.
Pray tell what these tell tale signs are. lmfao.
I did correct it to 75% in a subsequent posts, which I see you have ignored, which is in line with polls, where about 20 to 25% of Americans say that they know someone who is undocumented.
Not sure what Valcazar and other progressive Americans have anything at all to do with this, but you sound upset.
I think you didn't read my post carefully.
I said they do not qualify for most social services, which they don't. Which means they do qualify for some.
If I thought they do not qualify for any social services, I would have said so.
But the larger point remains that they are not an economic burden, but an overall asset.
You're exchanging words with a guy who claims a guy with a Nazi flag, with the Canadian flag, a Trudeau flag and the Gadsden flag protesting the mandates by the government wanted to live in a Nazi state, save the energy and let him play in the sandbox alone.
