China: Phony Capital of the World

dajodo2

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At first I resented the fact that a country with a disgusting record of human rights violations, a total disregard for the environment, the safety of the goods it manufactures or anything else that doesn't serve it's best interests such as china had won the bid to host the summer Olympic games.

Now I'm actually glad they won. In their pathetic never ending quest for the image of perfection and success (which hosting the Olympics is all about to them. Portraying to the world an image of success) they are actually showing the world what a bunch of phony assholes they are.

Examples of this are shown here from this article in The National Post...

During Friday's opening ceremonies in Beijing, a 9-year-old girl named Lin Miaoke sang a ballad to a packed stadium and a billion TV viewers. But the voice coming out of our TV sets wasn't hers. It belonged to a 7-year-old girl named Yang Peiyi.

The Communist Party decided Peiyi had the better voice, but Miaoke was better looking -- so they created a phony hybrid of the two. "The reason was for the national interest," said Chen Qigang, general music designer of the opening ceremonies. "The child on camera should be flawless in image, internal feeling and expression."

Only in Communist China is being phony considered a "national interest."

And humiliating children in front of one-sixth of the world's population is just the tip of the iceberg. In the People's Republic of Milli Vanilli, this sort of phoniness goes on all the time.

Gymnasts competing in Beijing are required to be at least 16. The average size on the six-girl Chinese gymnast squad is 4'-9" and 77 pounds -- 30 pounds lighter than the average for the American team. The smallest Chinese girl weighs just 68 pounds.

Does that sounds like a teenager two years away from adulthood? As one former Olympic gymnastics coach put it: "We know what a 16-year-old should look like. They should not look like they are seven and maybe still in diapers."

Oh, and it turns out the lip-sync wasn't the only fraudulent thing about the opening ceremonies. The purportedly spectacular fireworks broadcast for the world's benefit were cobbled together with digital video effects --a cheap Hollywood trick that's as phony as Lin Miaoke's rendition of Ode to the Motherland.

In fact, Beijing itself has been turned into a sort of giant shrine to phoniness.

Three-metre high "culture walls" have been erected in front of shabby neighbourhoods, to block tourists' view of the undesirables. In other cases, crumbling buildings have been hastily covered with phony facades. All of Beijing's female meeters and greeters are pretty things in their 20s. In China's Potemkin world, surrounding tourists with women who are young and hot -- oops, sorry, I mean "flawless in image, internal feeling and expression" -- is very much "in the national interest."

The city was shamelessly phony even before it got the Olympics: When IOC officials came to evaluate the location in 2001, the government sprayed thousands of gallons of green paint on dead brown grass.

You have to be a giant phony to even think about doing something like that.

Phony tykes, phony gymnasts, phony lawns, phony buildings. If the Beijing organizers were looking for a theme, I guess they've found one.

Disgusting.
 

Music_Box

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Oh please, enough of throwing rocks while living in a glass house :mad:

Canada and the US, the most "democratic" nations with the highest moral ground (sarcasm) have hundreds of people blindfolded and with no charges laid languishing in a far-ff prison reminiscent of Alcatraz except worse, even a 15-year-old canadian boy was held there with gaping bullet wounds and we have not lifted a finger in helping him. We betrayed the Kurds in 1991 after inciting them to rise-up against Saddam, and when they did we let them get mauled by Saddam's bulldogs. We have let down Georgia after inciting her to take back land from Russia, we maltreat our native indians, we lied to our people to wage war against Iraq and now Iran, the list goes on and on.

Tibet? How about Iraq? Or Quebec? Child labor in China? How about host-laborers (slaves) we bring (legally) from Mexico and the Caribbean to pick our fruits here in Ontario, and then we kick them in the butt back to their village after we're done with them?

China fooling us with a fake 8-year-old singer? Please! How about Stephen Harper and his cronies fooling us for years and killing people in Afghanistan for no national reason at all?

Underage gymnasts? Please! The only reason why we Canadians don't use them is because we simply do not have young girls with that kind of talent as China does.
 

dajodo2

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Music_Box said:
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Underage gymnasts? Please! The only reason why we Canadians don't use them is because we simply do not have young girls with that kind of talent as China does.
No the reason is we don't have a communist government that snatches these kids at a young age from their parents and sends them off to state run training camps for 24-7.

Barely allowing visits of the parents to their children.

Yet I'm the sick one?

Perhaps you would be happier living in china soap_ box since you seem to have such an admiration for them and harbour such a resentment toward our governing establishments .

It would make me even happier if you could convince the guy above you to go with you.
 

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dajodo2 said:
No the reason is we don't have a communist government that snatches these kids at a young age from their parents and sends them off to state run training camps for 24-7.

Barely allowing visits of the parents to their children.

Yet I'm the sick one?

Perhaps you would be happier living in china soap_ box since you seem to have such an admiration for them and harbour such a resentment toward our governing establishments .

It would make me even happier if you could convince the guy above you to go with you.
Fuck off retard.
 

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Jazz.... little uptight on this subject.

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The only sick in the head ones...

....are the ones that keep making excuses for the moral wasteland that is China...Comparing wrongdoings here in the civilized side to what goes on in China is like comparing jaywalking to mass murder...



N2G
 

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Music_Box said:
Canada and the US, the most "democratic" nations with the highest moral ground (sarcasm) have hundreds of people blindfolded and with no charges laid languishing in a far-ff prison reminiscent of Alcatraz except worse, even a 15-year-old canadian boy was held there with gaping bullet wounds and we have not lifted a finger in helping him. We betrayed the Kurds in 1991 after inciting them to rise-up against Saddam, and when they did we let them get mauled by Saddam's bulldogs. We have let down Georgia after inciting her to take back land from Russia, we maltreat our native indians, we lied to our people to wage war against Iraq and now Iran, the list goes on and on.
Man it must be fun making this stuff up as you go along?

One can agree or disagree with the US effort in Iraq, I certainly disagree, but
Khadr was not skipping stones when he got shot. At the minimum he was indirectly involved in attacking NATO forces in Afghanistan, (guess for all your platitudes you're 'okay' with women being shot in the back of the head at soccer fields on the basis that their husband doesn't want to return the dowry of 3 goats), and given the few trials so far it would actually appear that albeit slow the US system is bending over backwards to be fair.

The Kurds? Difficult issue since they are much like Hamas and refuse to work with NATO AND renounce violence against Turkey. Another example of an issue that no one gets historically or politically.

Georgia? Those Provinces were part of Georgia after they separated but for the most part they are filled with historically based Russians. I am not sure in the end why it is okay for Georgia to say "we don't want to be part of Russia because we are not Russians but it is suddenly evil for Russians within Georgia to have the same desire." The West DID NOT encourage Georgia to do what they did. The little dog bit the big dog and it finally bit back.

They are called Natives or Aboriginals not Indians. Indians live in India. And yes we do not do a good job on this. We were taking a great step forward with the Kelowna Accord but unfortunately Mr. Harper decided that the needs of Calgary outweighed the Natives. Poor comparison though. The Natives are not being systematically exterminated like the Islamics and the Tibetans in China.

Iraq/Iran. Yeah GWB lied.. probably outright. It happens but unlike China his party will suffer a crushing defeat in about 5 months as a result... that can never happen in China.

Music_Box said:
Tibet? How about Iraq? Or Quebec? Child labor in China? How about host-laborers (slaves) we bring (legally) from Mexico and the Caribbean to pick our fruits here in Ontario, and then we kick them in the butt back to their village after we're done with them?
Only an utter moron, and I type knowing full well how incendiary that statement is, would remotely attempt to compare Quebec to Tibet. Even the PQ have resisted that folly. The fruit pickers in Canada are flown here and make around $15 an hour, (I have asked locals in Meaford why they complain they can't find work when they can pick apples... they say the work is beneath them), they are given medical coverage, their living quarters are monitored by the Ministry of Labour, and they make more in 4 months here than they will make in 4 years there. For work our Nationals won't do. Slaves? Do some research.

Music_Box said:
China fooling us with a fake 8-year-old singer? Please! How about Stephen Harper and his cronies fooling us for years and killing people in Afghanistan for no national reason at all?

Underage gymnasts? Please! The only reason why we Canadians don't use them is because we simply do not have young girls with that kind of talent as China does.
See above Afghanistan comment. Jeez do you get your political insight from the All Hillary Duff network? As was said before we do not let the State to take children with potential and body type from their parents at age 4 all in the name of "Tribalism".

Learn at least the basics before posting such total minutia again.
 

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BTW, are there any restrictions imposed by the IOC that lipsyning or digital effects are not allowed for the opening ceremony. If not, I don't see any problem with it as China really did a good show. It's really just a show and most people enjoyed watching it. Besides, we should not apply our own standard (moral, human rights, etc.) on other countries such as China in this case because our history, mentality and culture are totally different. Chinese people are more loyal to their leader and therefore I'm not surprised that there exist a lot of people who would be willing to sacrifice their own benefits for the benefit of their country, such as the 7 years old girl in this case. I agree that this is not acceptable in the western society but this is not the case in a communist country. We cannot expect that a communist country will go democracy within a short period of time. There are still a very large number of senior communists in China who are still alive and that's a main hurdle for democracy. The new generations are more open minded and they now have lots of different resources to see the world. I can see that sooner or later China will become a more democratic country.
 

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Music_Box said:
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Tibet? How about Quebec?
great comparison righteous one! last time i was in Quebec, I saw genocide, too...
 

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blah blah blah, so what......can you fix the problems? If you cant you need to shut the $#@$ up.......
You seemed to have demanded yourself to be quiet?
 

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playw/respect said:
BTW, are there any restrictions imposed by the IOC that lipsyning or digital effects are not allowed for the opening ceremony. If not, I don't see any problem with it as China really did a good show. It's really just a show and most people enjoyed watching it. Besides, we should not apply our own standard (moral, human rights, etc.) on other countries such as China in this case because our history, mentality and culture are totally different. Chinese people are more loyal to their leader and therefore I'm not surprised that there exist a lot of people who would be willing to sacrifice their own benefits for the benefit of their country, such as the 7 years old girl in this case. I agree that this is not acceptable in the western society but this is not the case in a communist country. We cannot expect that a communist country will go democracy within a short period of time. There are still a very large number of senior communists in China who are still alive and that's a main hurdle for democracy. The new generations are more open minded and they now have lots of different resources to see the world. I can see that sooner or later China will become a more democratic country.
Easy to sit back and say "oh well who cares if a few hundred million suffer because in the end it will be okay".

I surmise your whole construct of Chinese society in these terms... While I am personally anti-death penalty I full endorse the US usage of the act while I decry the use by the Chinese. Why? Because if the will of people in the US said executions must end it would democratically end. In China NOTHING ends except at the whim a few hundred thousand bureaucrats who suck off the societal tit and live a life akin to Donald Trump.

The reason why this is an issue and one that everyone seems to forget is that the IOC essentially said "Toronto you can't have these Olympics because for political reasons China has said if they get them they will fix the following 10 issues." They broke their last promise when they started filtering journalists and even arresting them.

So yes it is an issue when they literally have reneged on every action, including human rights and Tibet etc.. Why? Because if we taught them that they can do what they want with the Olympics over their head can you imagine how they will be behaving after the Olympics.
 

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21pro said:
great comparison righteous one! last time i was in Quebec, I saw genocide, too...
I watch the Quebec talk show channels and there was a PQ guy complaining that the Chinese made the family members of a Quebecois athlete put away their Quebecois flag. They demanded that Charest get clarification that in Vancouver a Quebecois flag would be acceptable... YADA YADA YADA.

One could sense that he was desperately wanting to say "Quebec is like Tibet" but luckily the handlers had warned him otherwise.

Btw the Olympic committee said "you are supposedly only allowed to show flags of Olympic countries but rarely do we enforce it."

How utterly arrogant it is to suggest that Quebec in any way remotely mirrors what is happening in Tibet. Even the PQ isn't doing it.. so why is he?
 

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In a big stadium, it takes a little bit of time for sound to travel across the stadium and back. Therefore if that girl was actually singing it there would be a time where she could not hear what she is singing. Its not a long time (maybe 2-3 second) but it is enough that it throws off the flow of singing for inexperienced singers.

Therefore they lip sync beforehand to make it easier. A lot of singers do this at sporting events because there not used to it. So yeah it was fake. Are you forgetting that the majority of the stuff you see on TV is fake. If you watched it and enjoyed it at the time than who cares if its fake.
 

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ig-88

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Sure, it's the phony capital of the world.

Where else do you go to buy knockoff Gucci's, pirated DVDs, etc.?

Besides Pacific Mall, of course. :p
 

Berlin

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Other than P mall...

Now I am not saying the Chinese are the only pirates, but DT C-town is pretty good.





:D
 

Music_Box

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21pro said:
great comparison righteous one! last time i was in Quebec, I saw genocide, too...
There's no genocide or killings in Quebec for the simple reason that Quebecers do not get violent and riot as Tibetans do. Believe me, we would kill Quebecers in a jiminy if they rised up, we sent our army there in 1970, we didn't shoot them because they behaved and toned down. We are killing and pacifying people every day in Afghanistan, what makes you think we won't kill Quebecers also?
 
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