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james t kirk

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To me, the worst thing would be:

1. Hot down there - 35 to 40 degrees
2. Stink - unless they have a large cavern down there, they are going to be wallowing in their own shit and piss (think about that).
3. Dealing with each other - some of them are going to crack up.
 

nottyboi

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True!
Fortunately none of the miners are Yanks....:)
I doubt many Canadians would be able to get out either....but hey, if they are too fat, just send water down and no food... in a week or two they will be able to get out.. lol
 

fmahovalich

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No..they are very organized. All shit and piss is being bagged and handed back up the hole.

Seems rather good at the moment!!!
 

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Goal: 35-inch waists
Even though the miners have undoubtedly lost a significant amount of weight, Chilean officials are trying to ensure they don't bulk up before their rescue. They say the miners will have to be no more than 35 inches (90 centimeters) around the waist to make it out of the tunnel.

The escape tunnel will be about 26 inches (66 centimeters) wide — the diameter of a typical bike tire — and stretch for more than 2,200 feet (688 meters) through solid rock. That's more than 80 inches (207 centimeters) in circumference, but rescuers also have to account for the space of the basket that will be used to pull the miners to safety.

Most Americans couldn't meet the 35-inch limit. The average U.S. waistline is 39.7 inches for men and 37 inches for women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7172225.html
I still think that this just can't be right. There is a hell of a lot of difference between 35 inches and 81.6 inches.

It wouldn't surprise if the media got this very wrong. The stories I have read so far are totally inconsistent has to how the accident happened, how many cave-ins occurred to close the mine and where in the mine the rock falls occurred. Some of the stories have said these guys are stuck in a little room the size of a one bedroom apartment when in fact they have access to lots of tunnels and ramps and have recovered some mobile equipment to use the batteries in them. The schematic cartoons I've seen in the news are also full of errors in nomenclature.
 

fmahovalich

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AS I said...Consdiering the circumstances...they are lucky to have the access they do.

And 60 cm....is just over 2 feet.

That is ample room for a guy to squeeze into a bullet like caGE AND BE PULLED UP.

tHINK ABOUT IT...24"..ACROSS THE SHOULDERS. iT IS A HUGE MAN WHO IS TWO FEET ACROSS AT THE SHOULDERS.

And don;t forget..when you are 'squeezing' into the hoist unit to come up..you can get pretty small for the 3 minute ride up!
 

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AS I said...Consdiering the circumstances...they are lucky to have the access they do.

And 60 cm....is just over 2 feet.

That is ample room for a guy to squeeze into a bullet like caGE AND BE PULLED UP.

tHINK ABOUT IT...24"..ACROSS THE SHOULDERS. iT IS A HUGE MAN WHO IS TWO FEET ACROSS AT THE SHOULDERS.

And don;t forget..when you are 'squeezing' into the hoist unit to come up..you can get pretty small for the 3 minute ride up!
A three minute ride to cover nearly 700 metres? That would be about 14 km/hr. They aren't going to hoist at anything near that speed. This is going to be more like 10 or 15 minutes. For me that would be the worst part, stuck in a 66 cm diameter drill hole for more than 10 minutes.
 

fmahovalich

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WHATEVER...


I did not do the math...what is with you insecure lads that always have to correct on here!!!!

I was simply stating that a guy...boarding a cart with 24" wide opening...would be happy to squeeze in and take the ride to the top..no matter how far it is!!!!

and NO...no need to respond.. I get it!!!
 

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WHATEVER...


I did not do the math...what is with you insecure lads that always have to correct on here!!!!

I was simply stating that a guy...boarding a cart with 24" wide opening...would be happy to squeeze in and take the ride to the top..no matter how far it is!!!!

and NO...no need to respond.. I get it!!!
I think a fair bit of the confusion is arising out of the difference between circumference and diameter. Look it up. And as far as the ride up in the cage goes - I would be happy to get one as well, although I suspect I would have to be more a little sedated to take that ride!
 

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I think a fair bit of the confusion is arising out of the difference between circumference and diameter. Look it up. And as far as the ride up in the cage goes - I would be happy to get one as well, although I suspect I would have to be more a little sedated to take that ride!
I think that I know the difference between circumference and diameter and I know what pi is. That is grade school math after all. I am not trying to start a fight with anyone. My point is that this just doesn't make sense.

For most people the limiting factor for fitting into the hole is going to be the width across their shoulders, not the waist size. The maximum width of most men's bodies is across the shoulders unless they have a very big belly.

I am a big guy, much, much larger than the 35-inch waist they are talking about. I wear a size 50 extra tall jacket and the circumference around my shoulders is 53.5". If I roll my shoulders forward to try to minimize my width I am about 18" wide. Why can't that fit up a 26-inch wide hole even allowing for the cage I'm riding in. I suspect that this is just more media babble or uninformed speculation and has no basis in fact. If the media have been so wrong on so many things in this incident what can you believe about what they say.

I agree that I would probably need to be sedated to go up that hole as well.
 

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I think that I know the difference between circumference and diameter and I know what pi is. That is grade school math after all. I am not trying to start a fight with anyone. My point is that this just doesn't make sense.

For most people the limiting factor for fitting into the hole is going to be the width across their shoulders, not the waist size. The maximum width of most men's bodies is across the shoulders unless they have a very big belly.

I am a big guy, much, much larger than the 35-inch waist they are talking about. I wear a size 50 extra tall jacket and the circumference around my shoulders is 53.5". If I roll my shoulders forward to try to minimize my width I am about 18" wide. Why can't that fit up a 26-inch wide hole even allowing for the cage I'm riding in. I suspect that this is just more media babble or uninformed speculation and has no basis in fact. If the media have been so wrong on so many things in this incident what can you believe about what they say.

I agree that I would probably need to be sedated to go up that hole as well.
As they are bringing the person up in a cage, the cage will eat up a fair amount of the space to fit into the opening. When they are drilling/boring for the rescue shaft, it will not be perfectly straight as the bit may sometimes be redirected by hard rocks etc. If that is the case, the person`s body would be forced forward into a diminishing opening thereby causing the restriction. 66cm is the max opening, but I know from experience being in a circular opening is awkward and claustrophobic.

I imagine most miners would be in decent shape to begin with, and this story is just something the media has thrown out as a hook to grab a hold of people`s imagination. The concern might be that they would gain weight as a result of four months of lack of activity, however I`m sure every last one of them will be slim enough to leave when the opportunity arises. There have been other rescues performed and I have never heard of a miner being too round to fit into the rescue cage.
 

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Trapped Chilean Miners Receive Sony PSPs

To cope with the isolation, trapped Chilean miners received Sony's PSP and other gadgets to keep entertained.

Monday Chilean officials said that they would begin drilling a rescue shaft to retrieve 33 miners trapped more than 2,300 feet below the earth's surface. The miners have been stuck underground since an August 5 cave-in, and are living off food, water and other supplies funneled in through a four-inch-wide tube snaked down to their position.

Despite the current rescue effort, Chilean officials said that it could take up to three or four months to extract the trapped miners. In the meantime, a four-person team from NASA will be shuttled in to provide behavioral health and physical support to the miners. NASA believes that isolated environments such as space and underground caves are no different, thus will apply its knowledge and experience.

To help alleviate the mental stress, Chilean officials have sent down Sony's PlayStation Portable handheld gaming device. Each miner will receive the unit along with his daily necessities. There was no indication on how the device will be recharged, as the PSP battery holds a charge of around six hours. Currently the miners are using vehicle batteries to power the bulbs in their helmets.

In addition to the PSP units, the miners will also receive flashlights, playing cards, MP3 players, speakers, a mini-TV projector, movies, recording of soccer games in addition to bed frames, shampoo, towels and other needed items. A cable to provide electrical power and fiber optic communications may also be dropped down into the mines.

"We have to make sure the miners are physically and psychologically fit," said Minister of Health Jaime Mañalich. "If they lose their mental balance, it could create panic and violence down there, and that would be a huge catastrophe."

A diagram of the mine can be found here. Currently the miners are unaware of the possible three to four month stay underground.
 

james t kirk

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No..they are very organized. All shit and piss is being bagged and handed back up the hole.

Seems rather good at the moment!!!
Not according to the above link - they piss and shit in a remote area of the tunnel.....

Not fucking pretty after 4 days, let alone 4 months.
 

fmahovalich

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JAmes JAmes JAmes...

Don;t believe everything you read!

I also read the story about the guys sending it up in a bag.

So whos right??

If they can send playstations down...Im sure they can send a Kitchen catcher up!

Lets let common sense prevail here in the shit department!!

AS for pulling the guys out....the car..on a cable will be quite long....shaped like a suppository. It will be lighted......

So as the cable pulls upwards..the bullet like object will always be centred in the hole......and the sides will be constructed of smooth steel,,WITH NOTHING TO CATCH ON A JAGGED rock

The real worry is if something caves in to this hole ..OUCH..then what..another hole and 3 -4 months!!!

Specially if the cable gets locked in by falling debris and the car is left dangling in the hole...Arghhhhhh
 

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Wow, 3 or more months down there. When does the homosexual activity start?
 

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How do they decide who goes first, second, third, etc. when the escape shaft is ready?
I suspect something as simple as lots - perhaps preference for family men etc. Whatever, they've got lots of time to figure something out (or kill each other off ;) ).
 

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A three minute ride to cover nearly 700 metres? That would be about 14 km/hr. They aren't going to hoist at anything near that speed. This is going to be more like 10 or 15 minutes. For me that would be the worst part, stuck in a 66 cm diameter drill hole for more than 10 minutes.
When my brother goes underground, the cage is moving at 1100/ft per minute. Having said that, I agree (and he does as well) there is no way they can pull those poor bastards up that fast.
 

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When my brother goes underground, the cage is moving at 1100/ft per minute. Having said that, I agree (and he does as well) there is no way they can pull those poor bastards up that fast.
A cage has rubber guide wheels which follow wooden shaft guides mounted to the side of the shaft. It is fixed in place so that it can't spin or move left/right or forwards backwards. This will be a circular object free to spin and bang around against the side of the hole. It will also need some free space so that it doesn't hang up should the hole shift or a piece of rock come loose. There is no way they can hoist it at anything even close to 1,100 ft/min.
 
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