Changes to industry??
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I know, I don't think I've ever seen you say an unkind word to/about anyone. All the more reason why it appears to be out of character for you, especially as it relates directly to the potential increased safety of other ladies.
It's completely understandable for you to have such strong feelings after being betrayed by those you trusted. I've heard other SP's say they've had regulars turn on them as well. Your scenarios sound particularly horrific, I'm very sorry to hear this happened to you.
But it still has no correlation to pre-screening. Just because you didn't have any negative/scary FIRST time encounters does not negate the fact that other ladies DO. All the time. Thefts, aggressive assholes, guys running w/o paying, secretly recording them, etc.
So IF and when they have vengeful regulars, then unfortunately they will have to deal with that too.
Again, I'm so sorry some AH hurt you like that. But yet again, it has nothing to do with some ladies trying to minimize their risk WRT new clients.
It goes without saying most would agree the FB, birthday, real name/occupation stuff is over-the-top. However even Juno stated it's a SMALL handful of escorts that mandate this type of information. So maybe 3-5 in all of Toronto and the OP had the blind/dumb luck to stumble onto one of them and now wants to make a federal case of it? Seriously?
He's seems to be batting zero. A slew of negative events all associated with well known indies, presumably in a very short time since he "returned to the hobby". Yet when some have tried to give him advice, he cracks off like a smart ass. My advice to people like him, as others have said in this thread: stick with the agencies. No references required, no first-born info, nada. Just pick up the phone and book.
I'm not so sure it's the "younger, newer SPs" that are requesting references. The majority seem to be the more savvy ladies that have been around for a bit. When reading their posts on the topic, I have never - not ever, seen one state that requiring a couple referrals or a legit board handle "guarantees their safety". I give them (and their intelligence) benefit of the doubt that they are just MINIMIZING RISK. To that end, I would never begrudge an escort who values her well being enough to forgo the masses in order to see the few. And anyone who does object (not referring to you) has a few loose screws.
Simple screening also helps to cut down on the huge number of assholes out there that book FAKE appt's or the idiots that book 3 x SP's simultaneously, show up for one...and no-show the other two.
Agreed.
The upside to this is that many SP's are no longer isolated and alone. They become friends, they network, have dinners together, share incall condo/costs, are more organized with respect to bad client lists etc etc. Due to social media and twitterverse they have the ability to support one another like never before. So for the odd occasion that the OP experienced, having Lady B waiting with baited breath for him to see her because Lady A yapped, yes it IS wrong but the positives overall outweigh the negative. Again, until we see multiple posts on a regular basis regarding indiscretion, let's not make a federal case out of it.
Actually a lot has changed. Ten years ago there might have been a handful of well known indies. Five years ago, one page in the TERB ad section. Now on some days, it's 4-5 pages, before it repeats. Ten years ago, a couple of handfuls of agencies with 20 SP profiles. Now, an endless stream of agencies, some with upwards of 60 to 100 ladies onsite profiles. Backpage has exploded.
The point is when underground-type industries flourish, bad people follow. The criminal element has greatly increased exponentially, so indies have a LOT more reason to be on guard for their own safety.
Please see above. Also have a look at "Samranchoi's" most excellent post #41, he hit the nail on the head.
Chloe, if you were to ever start advertising on multiple venues putting yourself out there like hundreds of other indies do on a regular basis, I'd put money on the fact you would implement some simple screening/referral procedures. Why? Because it's the smart thing to do and you seem like a very wise woman. Nice chatting with you, hopefully next time on a happier topic. Peace.
I am batting zero? Really? Your assumptions make you look like a tool, trying to talk about something you know nothing of.
Screening cuts down on no shows, you do know who a good number of those fake bookings are right? Other SPs.
As for the criminal element increasing, dude did you hobby ten or more years ago? My guess is no because you would know it was worse then than it is now.
Clearly though, keep up what you are doing I am getting a good laugh at your responses.
Like I said earlier, a troll pfffffffft.
Worse yet, a troll that has no clue what he's yapping about.
So you haven't hobbied for more than ten years, so you have no clue what it was like before.
I reiterate.
A silly troll that speaks from his buttcheeks, who clearly demonstrates he knows nothing of the Toronto industry from a decade ago.
Nor does this buffoon know the truth behind many of the fake bookings of popular indies.
First clue: it's NOT other popular indies, or even indies in general.
Last post, carry on your idiocy. :wave:
SP's are not fake booking other SP's? Really cause the SP I was with last night and I actually had quite the discussion about that very thing. She went on to in detail about it. But who is she to know that she is getting faked booked by other SP's. It's not like she is an SP and would know who booked her or anything.
Thank God it's your last post though. The shit that you come up with has gotten quite thick
Reading comprehension much?
.latinboy said:
Understand the word "many"? As in: not all?
Reading comprehension much?
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Understand the word "many"? As in: not all?
Sorry what were you saying? I must have misunderstood the end your last post there. Quoted just to help you jog your memory
Just remember before your sweaty troll head hits the pillow, if indeed you can leave this thread without hovering over it for more than an hour: "many" of the fake bookers of popular indies........are NOT other indies. There is an ugly truth out there, something that does not fit with your troll agenda.
Perhaps the Backpage crowd plus the pimps, but in terms of mainstream well-known indies doing it to each other. NO.
I agree with you here, and some even ask for your work phone number.. No SP in their right mind would give you, a complete stranger, her full name, outside occupation, or work phone number, so asking for that in return is ludicrous! I would never, ever tell a complete stranger in this industry my full name or place of employment. Are they nuts?!
But I disagree with you here. So long as they are using a moniker, or you phone number, or some other non-critical identifier, why shouldn't they discuss you behind closed doors? That's what we do here about them. I mean, the same rules should apply. I would never discuss something personal on here about an SP, and would expect that courtesy to be returned. But if all she's saying about you is that you're a good client, what has she done wrong?
So are you saying this happens routinely and/or is common for your own colleagues to be doing this to each other? Because that is what the member "Occasionally" asked; if it was a "common thing". Not if it has ever happened.
Either way it's pretty shocking especially considering it's widely known for years that some entities employ fake bookers who easily spoof numbers - so hopefully you have indisputable evidence that reputable indies are doing this to you and others before you condemn them.
Exactly. That's why I don't understand why some SPs ask for so much info. But it is their decision and I understand that. You have to do what makes you feel safe.
I have but not under the name Chloe Croft. Name and phone number and a phone conversation. But to be fair, I am mostly outcall so I am visiting the man's home or a hotel room so it is safer.
True that there are more independents. But I remember back then Executive Choice had about 50 girls on their roster. Then there was Select, Garden of Eden, Hollywood, Cupid's, Allison's Angels, Cachet, VIP, TGF, TIE, Kasey's Kittens, Roommates, etc. Not to mention the huge EE invasion and all those agencies. Then there was also the underground stuff that has ALWAYS existed. Believe me. The industry hasn't changed all that much except that it is exposed on the internet more now than it was then.
Peace.
Who is the troll?
You are the one that came in here arguing like you know everything. It has even gotten so bad that you are arguing with SP's about their business like you know it better than they do.
Clearly you don't know what you want everything to think you know. Yet your ego is so big you can't be wrong, even when multiple people telling that you are wrong. Nothing and no one backs you up and you want to argue on and on with multiple people... You clearly are the troll in this thread.
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