Changes to industry??

[Samranchoi]

Safety is of major importance and could be the reason why some of the women are requesting more info. There appears to be an increase of woman being robbed and/or assaulted, some in the news and I know of some that were not. Can't blame those who have always or have started to request client info. Why complain about it! There are many women who request no or minimal info. Lots of choice, except if you want to see a particular woman who requires info but you don't want to provide. The OP thinks that the woman should not be asking for as much as some do. Sorry, they have all the right to ask for any info they want. It is their business, but more importantly it is their safety and life. If you don't like it, find a girlfriend or go to the ones where you wasted your time prompting your rant. Appreciation and understanding goes a long way for both parties.

YMMV has been around since I started seeing women, either as dancers, MPA's or SP's. This is not new and should ALWAYS be in play although some women are able to have little or no issues with all clients while some are more sensitive to things. It is no wonder some reviews are so varied in terms of the clients experience. Whose fault is it when consistently well reviewed women (and I mean legitimately reviewed women) suddenly offers limited YMMV during a session. No one knows for sure other than the two involved but I would say it is more on the client. Yes a well reviewed woman may be having a bad day but that is more of an exception and not the rule, they are only human and some have a high tolerance and others not so much.

 

[squeezer]

I would never give my real name , occupation or any real social media information. Stick to reputable agencies. At the very least if the session goes badly through no fault of your owm, the good ones usually make it right where as the indy will just brush it off as YMMV.

I do love how guys here without even mentioning a name of a lady think that if a session goes wrong it has to be the guys fault. It's as if they think every lady in this biz is 100% professional all the time and they never make a single mistake.

Where did I say it was your fault??

I merely pointed out that with a reputable agency, they would make it right when it's not one's fault.

 

[MissCroft]

she sends me an email with her screening process:
First and Last name
Birth Date (DD/MM/YY)
LinkedIn/Facebook
Occupation
Phone
Review Board ID
and then introduce myself

Is it more and more common that these ladies ask for such detailed information about us?

IMHO, that is over the top. When I first started out in the business, it was unacceptable to ask for all that information.


I've had a very sweet regular for over ten years now. I know a lot about him and he knows a lot about me but he has never told me what his Terb handle is and I have never asked him.

 

[SkyRider]

he has never told me what his Terb handle is and I have never asked him.

Bet you he knows your TERB handle.:wave: Just kidding!

 

[MissCroft]

Bet you he knows your TERB handle.:wave: Just kidding!

Yes, of course he does. lol

 

[SkyRider]

Yes, of course he does. lol

Just messing with you. Happy Canada Day!

 

[tombrady12]

So an SP who found me started up a conversation. Young woman who is incredibly attractive and seems like someone I would like to visit. So after some conversation the topic of booking finally arises and she sends me an email with her screening process:
First and Last name
Birth Date (DD/MM/YY)
LinkedIn/Facebook
Occupation
Phone
Review Board ID
and then introduce myself

Is it more and more common that these ladies ask for such detailed information about us?

I received a similar email from a provider. I responded asking if all of the information was mandatory. She told me that she was ok with my board handle and 2 references. You'll find that most SP's are reasonable. If they insist on needing personal information, move on.

 

[Asharad]

I received a similar email from a provider. I responded asking if all of the information was mandatory. She told me that she was ok with my board handle and 2 references. You'll find that most SP's are reasonable. If they insist on needing personal information, move on.

I asked if the information was mandatory or if I could just give some references instead and she responded that it was mandatory. So I said thanks but no thanks, I enjoy my privacy just like you enjoy yours.

 

[latinboy]

IMHO, that is over the top. When I first started out in the business, it was unacceptable to ask for all that information.


I've had a very sweet regular for over ten years now. I know a lot about him and he knows a lot about me but he has never told me what his Terb handle is and I have never asked him.

Hi Chloe,

Your similar comments are noted in MANY threads of the same nature, i.e., independent ladies that screen clients and/or those with higher than mainstream rates.

It's confusing because you don't seem to advertise anywhere and haven't for years so it obviously means you have been around long enough to have an established client base, with no need for new clients. Lucky you.

However, with all due respect, it renders your opinions on this topic fairly irrelevant for these times.

It's a whole new world out there since your entry into the biz, and I'm pretty sure if you were starting out now as an advertised indie, you might incorporate some screening methods too.

Plus everyone has their own risk tolerance levels, so don't belittle your sisters for trying to minimize theirs; support them.

Fact is, the vast majority of indies do NOT require references at all, so these types of troll threads are becoming increasingly bizarre. It's simple: if dude does not wish to supply the information a lady requests: MOVE ON.

 

[Asharad]

Hi Chloe,

Your similar comments are noted in MANY threads of the same nature, i.e., independent ladies that screen clients and/or those with higher than mainstream rates.

It's confusing because you don't seem to advertise anywhere and haven't for years so it obviously means you have been around long enough to have an established client base, with no need for new clients. Lucky you.

However, with all due respect, it renders your opinions on this topic fairly irrelevant for these times.

It's a whole new world out there since your entry into the biz, and I'm pretty sure if you were starting out now as an advertised indie, you might incorporate some screening methods too.

Plus everyone has their own risk tolerance levels, so don't belittle your sisters for trying to minimize theirs; support them.

Fact is, the vast majority of indies do NOT require references at all, so these types of troll threads are becoming increasingly bizarre. It's simple: if dude does not wish to supply the information a lady requests: MOVE ON.

Wow you seem to know a whole lot about her business practices. Stalker, crazed fan or delusional know it all?

Screening was one aspect of the original post by the way, maybe you should go back and read it again instead of jumping all over things like you think you know everything.

 

[Vkcs20]

So an SP who found me started up a conversation. Young woman who is incredibly attractive and seems like someone I would like to visit. So after some conversation the topic of booking finally arises and she sends me an email with her screening process:
First and Last name
Birth Date (DD/MM/YY)
LinkedIn/Facebook
Occupation
Phone
Review Board ID
and then introduce myself

Is it more and more common that these ladies ask for such detailed information about us?

That's a real piss take!!!

I wouldn't give out these kind of info even if the girl looked like Kendra Lust or was a pornstar.

What else do they want? Cv and bank details?!

 

[MissCroft]

Hi Chloe,

Your similar comments are noted in MANY threads of the same nature, i.e., independent ladies that screen clients and/or those with higher than mainstream rates.

It's confusing because you don't seem to advertise anywhere and haven't for years so it obviously means you have been around long enough to have an established client base, with no need for new clients. Lucky you.

However, with all due respect, it renders your opinions on this topic fairly irrelevant for these times.

It's a whole new world out there since your entry into the biz, and I'm pretty sure if you were starting out now as an advertised indie, you might incorporate some screening methods too.

Plus everyone has their own risk tolerance levels, so don't belittle your sisters for trying to minimize theirs; support them.

Fact is, the vast majority of indies do NOT require references at all, so these types of troll threads are becoming increasingly bizarre. It's simple: if dude does not wish to supply the information a lady requests: MOVE ON.

Fair enough.


I was not trying to belittle anyone. I can only speak from my personal experience....In all of my years as an SP, the only time I was harmed was by clients who I had known for a long time. I don't see how any screening process or references would have helped me. These were men who I trusted who tried to ruin my life. I guess I am upset about that.

What I am saying is that I don't believe knowing someone's Terb handle or Facebook or birthdate or occupation is going to protect you. Maybe I am jaded but my life was almost completely ruined.


I just feel that some of the younger, newer SPs feel that all of this information will guarantee their safety. The real monsters can easily fly through the screening process and gain your trust. I am not 'belittling' my younger 'sisters'; I am worried for some of them.


BUT, it IS unacceptable if SPs are talking about and sharing personal info/personal details about clients for no reason except to chat. I won't change my mind on that. It happens and it sounds like that was what the OP found unsettling.

 

[MissCroft]

Your similar comments are noted in MANY threads of the same nature

MANY? Maybe 3.

However, with all due respect, it renders your opinions on this topic fairly irrelevant for these times.

These times? How much has changed in 13 years? Nothing really.

It's a whole new world out there since your entry into the biz

How so? Please support your argument.

 

[SkyRider]

..In all of my years as an SP, the only time I was harmed was by clients who I had known for a long time.

This can happen in civilian life as well with co-workers, "trusted" friends and relatives. You just never know.

 

[bucky88]

I've had SPs from a certain agency (won't name who), where they heard I had a nice place and was a nice guy. And there was more detail than that, which only someone whose visited my place would know.

So as for privacy, some SPs are no better. Some probably all share stories which each other about which places are good and bad.

No problem really since I got brownie points, so I took it as a complement.

Also, another anti-privacy thing they do (which I don't really care, but it happens), is that agencies claim they don't keep your address and info. That's BS. They track your info in some kind of database.... address, phone number, probably a bunch of bullet pts etc..... There have been times the agency phone person would bring up my address (based on the phone number they see me calling from), even though I didn't even say my address yet. And it's a cell phone number. So it's not like they are quickly googling my number and see a yellowpages.ca listing for my number. I've googled my number and nothing comes up. And I doubt they have photographic memory from 4 months ago....... "Ok great..... and you're still at XXXXXXX?".

Again, not a big deal as I don't think anything bad will come of it. And I treat all SPs nice with a clean place. But for any indie or agency that claims "we don't keep any personal info"...... take that with a grain of salt. You never know who is tracking it and who isn't.

As for an SP asking for detailed info on your personal info, employer, job title etc.... avoid at all costs.

A great argument to never have an outcall at your home.

B88

 

[bucky88]

Couldn't find a single review of any of your encounters with SP's that you talk about, how about posting about some of your quality encounters.

+1 Sharing your experiences by posting reviews would help the rest of us and hold the SPs accountable.

B88

 

[cuttysark]

I only see popular ladies
- Valeria Belize
- Sinthia
- liberty love


All have extensive reviews.

Perhaps you should change your handle to Pinch of Salt?

 

[Asharad]

I just feel that some of the younger, newer SPs feel that all of this information will guarantee their safety. The real monsters can easily fly through the screening process and gain your trust. I am not 'belittling' my younger 'sisters'; I am worried for some of them.

First off I would say that new SPs are safer now in that they are protected under the law more than when you started. They are not endanger of being arrested for what they do like you would have when you started. Which in turn allows them to more easily turn to law enforcement if the need arises. I am sure when you started that ladies would have been hesitant to go to the police and when you did chances are your situation wasn't taken as seriously because of your line of work.

I am sure some ladies feel safer with their screening but in all honesty how much safer are they? Just like their can be clients that you need to weed out, what is stopping certain SPs from taking your information and using it against you? You give your information to an SP and for whatever reason, oh hey look who is posting on your facebook about you paying to see her so all your friends, family and co-workers can see. I am not knocking all ladies, we are all human but just like you can find bad clients we can find bad SPs and with the information being asked for they can ruin your life. I have had a couple SPs try to get into my life after I had moved on from seeing them, imagine what they could do if they had the information ladies now ask for.

 

[mclarkez1980]

First off I would say that new SPs are safer now in that they are protected under the law more than when you started. They are not endanger of being arrested for what they do like you would have when you started. Which in turn allows them to more easily turn to law enforcement if the need arises. I am sure when you started that ladies would have been hesitant to go to the police and when you did chances are your situation wasn't taken as seriously because of your line of work.

I am sure some ladies feel safer with their screening but in all honesty how much safer are they? Just like their can be clients that you need to weed out, what is stopping certain SPs from taking your information and using it against you? You give your information to an SP and for whatever reason, oh hey look who is posting on your facebook about you paying to see her so all your friends, family and co-workers can see. I am not knocking all ladies, we are all human but just like you can find bad clients we can find bad SPs and with the information being asked for they can ruin your life. I have had a couple SPs try to get into my life after I had moved on from seeing them, imagine what they could do if they had the information ladies now ask for.

Being protected under the law won't help you at 3pm on a Thursday when an unbalanced client is in your suite.

You guys are far too paranoid. Do you think these reputable providers are spending their waking hours to somehow scheme their way to use your info against you?

I may be in the minority, but I want the lady to enjoy herself on our dates as well. Her peace of mind goes a long way in creating that type of environment and adhering to her rules is a good start.

 

[Asharad]

Being protected under the law won't help you at 3pm on a Thursday when an unbalanced client is in your suite.

You guys are far too paranoid. Do you think these reputable providers are spending their waking hours to somehow scheme their way to use your info against you?

I may be in the minority, but I want the lady to enjoy herself on our dates as well. Her peace of mind goes a long way in creating that type of environment and adhering to her rules is a good start.

Knowing that unbalanced clients name is Dan Cook who is an accountant isn't going to help you at 3pm either when you are alone in a room with him.

It's not paranoia when you have had previous SPs try to invade your life.
No one says they do it right away, I had a couple that I was a regular with and after I stopped seeing them they tried to come after me. They had small pieces of my personal life that I had divulged over time and tried to do what they could. Nothing serious came of it but if they had the information that others now ask for, I am sure my life would have become shit. No one is saying any or all SPs will/would do this but the opportunity is there for them to be able to. If you want to risk your life/marriage/job on that then go right ahead. There is a reason they used to call this the discrete hobby. Discretion goes right out the window the minute they know your life story. Now you are hoping they honour the discretion part but why are you so willing to take a chance?