Cementless Patches?

[SexyFriendsTO]

For the one flat I get a year ( none last summer ) I prefer tubed tires. Easy to fix anywhere. I have even fixed a flat tire without removing the tire from the bike.

You dont get flats with tubles tires because you have sealant inside. Sometimes if you are hitting big jumps and really sending it tube can blow up from inside and it wont be fixable. Plus with tubles tires you can run much lower pressure and not worry about pinch flats. Sometimes when I am riding deep snow i run 1 PSI on my 4.8 fat bike tires. You can't do that with tubes because you will get a pinch flat.Also lower pressure will help you get better grip and make your ride more plush even if you got suspension . Also you can save close to a kilo of rotational weight if it's a fat bike for example. I respect that you like tubes we are just different riders. I am competitive rider that cares about speed and distance and you are not. Sometimes I hit close to 50km/h on my fat bike riding winter single-double track so for me speed, reliability and efficiency is very important. With tubles any hole I get gets sealed by the sealant right away. In years of riding I never had a flat only burped a tire once when it got twisted between the rocks. I put a tube in and in about 10 minutes was riding back to the car.

 

[Goodoer]

Not to hijack a thread, but what MTBs are most people riding now? I looked and there are a shit tonne of options and wheel sizes. My last MTB was a Giant Iguana with 26" wheels. I had a great steel framed bike before that in my teens and loved it.

To me, a solid 'starter' budget is between $3-4K and I'd assume aluminum frame is fine. I trust Shimano components (and fishing reels). I'd be riding in the GTAish areas (Kelso?)

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

Not to hijack a thread, but what MTBs are most people riding now? I looked and there are a shit tonne of options and wheel sizes. My last MTB was a Giant Iguana with 26" wheels. I had a great steel framed bike before that in my teens and loved it.

To me, a solid 'starter' budget is between $3-4K and I'd assume aluminum frame is fine. I trust Shimano components (and fishing reels). I'd be riding in the GTAish areas (Kelso?)

Shimano are great as long as you stick with XT or XTR models. When it comes to breaks I prefer SRAM.
Sram Guide RSC are probably one of my favorite now. On the break levers you have a little dial in thingy that controls the settings of your calipers. You can control how close you want them to the rotor. I ride carbon only one of my bikes is aluminum but it doesn't play a big difference in weight. I find carbon is a bit more flexible -forgiving which gives you a smoother ride then aluminum but if you have a full suspension bike you want reslly feel it. Only a bit of a weight difference. Now popular bikes are Santa Cruz, Salsa, Evil, Specialize, Trek, Rocky Mountain and I am still missing many more companies. If you are looking to purchase a bike and looking for a good shop go to Cycle Solutions on Kingston rd. They will help you with everything and answer all of your questions.

 

[Darts]

Lubrication

I have some old unused 10W-30 motor oil still in its plastic container. Can I use this oil to lubricate my chain instead of the 3-1 machine oil I have been using since I was 14?

 

[essguy_]

Lubrication

I have some old unused 10W-30 motor oil still in its plastic container. Can I use this oil to lubricate my chain instead of the 3-1 machine oil I have been using since I was 14?

Any oil is better than no oil. Having said that, 10W-30 is thicker than typical bike chain oil, so if you have some mineral spirits (paint thinner or turpentine) you could cut it (eg: 2/3 oil, 1/3 spirits). You can even use vegetable oil on your chain in a pinch. Also make sure to clean your chain regularly before you oil it.

 

[Wild Wiglin Willie]

If you have some mineral spirits (paint thinner or turpentine) you could cut it (eg: 2/3 oil, 1/3 spirits). You can even use vegetable oil on your chain in a pinch.

What kind of moron would give advice like this. This advice is not good. Mixing a solvent with oil is not good for a bicycle chain. As far as vegetable oil, you may as well put some vinegar in it and make a salad dressing to lube your bike chain while you are at it.

 

[essguy_]

This advice is not good. Mixing a solvent with oil is not good for a bicycle chain. As far as vegetable oil, you may as well put some vinegar in it and make a salad dressing to lube your bike chain while you are at it. What kind of moron would give advice like this.

Well, if you knew what you were talking about before you post or use “moron” it might help. If you look up lubrication in most bike forums you’ll find that a lot of people mix their own chain lube by cutting a thicker grade motor oil with spirits. Same with using vegetable oil in a pinch. In fact, there are many people who do this, even some competitive cyclists. Extra virgin olive oil if you’re Italian. The key to an efficient drive train is cleanliness and lubrication. The more serious you are, the more often you’ll maintain your drivetrain. If you’re a lube a couple times a year type of cyclist it’s another story altogether.

Here is just one of probably hundreds of threads on chain lube. As you must know since you are so obviously NOT a “moron” (LOL) a solvent evaporates so serves to cut the viscosity of the heavier motor oil, allowing it to penetrate the chain in a thin layer (and the solvent quickly evaporates). Heavier weight oil on its own will go on thicker, and a thick layer of oil attracts dirt and dust, gumming up your drivetrain. But you knew this because you’re not a moron... right?

https://www.bikeforums.net/touring/502743-homemade-chain-lube.html


Tip#6 (again one of many sites recommending vegetable oil in a pinch)

http://www.alohamountaincyclery.com/community/tips.html

 

[Wild Wiglin Willie]

If you look up lubrication in most bike forums you’ll find that a lot of people mix their own chain lube by cutting a thicker grade motor oil with spirits.

if you mixed mineral spirits or pain thinner to oil to thin it, once the spirits evaporate it would return to its original thickness. if it has impurities in it it may alter the lubricating properties of the oil.

Same with using vegetable oil in a pinch. In fact, there are many people who do this, even some competitive cyclists. Extra virgin olive oil if you’re Italian.

Vegetable oils tend to "polymerize", that is become sticky and solid. cooking oil does not have good lubricating properties and can go rancid. spend a few bucks and buy a proper bike lube at a bike shop. cheaping out can cost you.

 

[essguy_]

if you mixed mineral spirits or pain thinner to oil to thin it, once the spirits evaporate it would return to its original thickness. if it has impurities in it it may alter the lubricating properties of the oil.



Vegetable oils tend to "polymerize", that is become sticky and solid. cooking oil does not have good lubricating properties and can go rancid. spend a few bucks and buy a proper bike lube at a bike shop. cheaping out can cost you.

You’re confused. The solvent allows the motor oil to go on in a thin layer. Most high end bike lubes contain solvent - how could you comment and not know this? As for vegetable oils polymerizing - perhaps you should contact Mazola with your findings - they might re-think selling their product in a bottle with a spout. Same with going rancid. If you use vegetable oil on your chain and it goes rancid - DON’T EAT IT!

Sheesh...

 

[Darts]

Didn't mean to start a fight between members. I think I'll just pay a few bucks and get the proper chain oil.

One thing I've heard many times is never to use WD40 on the chain.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

What kind of moron would give advice like this. This advice is not good. Mixing a solvent with oil is not good for a bicycle chain. As far as vegetable oil, you may as well put some vinegar in it and make a salad dressing to lube your bike chain while you are at it.

Willie,

Maybe Essguy is not a moron, but merely a simpleton. I have read that the Skumolians from the lower Slobovic regions of Bufoonia use vegetable oil to lube their wooden bicycles, it could be he is from there.

BTW - I used cod liver oil to lube my bike chain once, and a herd of cats followed me down the street.

Didn't mean to start a fight between members. I think I'll just pay a few bucks and get the proper chain oil.

One thing I've heard many times is never to use WD40 on the chain.

WD-40 is not a lubricant, it displaces water. If you get caught in the rain with your bike, spray the chain with WD-40 and wipe off. ( I do it twice ) this removes the water and then you can put some chain lube on.

 

[essguy_]

Didn't mean to start a fight between members. I think I'll just pay a few bucks and get the proper chain oil.

One thing I've heard many times is never to use WD40 on the chain.

You could use WD40 to clean your chain, so long as you properly lube it afterward. Remember WD40 is a pretty good degreaser so never spray it close to your hubs or any other greased bearing. The best way is a chain cleaner which is a good investment imo (like the ParkTools Cyclone). Clamp it on your chain, fill it with degreaser and turn your crank a few times. Then rinse off with a hose followed by lube. This is beginning to sound like a kinky review, so going to sign off now.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Here is just one of probably hundreds of threads on chain lube.

https://www.bikeforums.net/touring/502743-homemade-chain-lube.html


Tip#6 (again one of many sites recommending vegetable oil in a pinch)

http://www.alohamountaincyclery.com/community/tips.html

Essguy,

I read your two articles you presented to back up your argument. It looks like a case where you are trying to make the answers fit your argument.

Quote from article 1

I am currently in India and I have asked around a few places and no one has chain lube.

Quote from article 2

Bike Tip #6
Ran out of chain lube? : Use Olive Oil
Use olive oil to lube your chain when you run out of a high grade synthetic chain lubricant. But get into a shop and buy the real stuff soon.

The first example is a guy in India that can not get any lube, so they suggest he use cooking oil. The second example is a tip for people that have no lube and they suggest to use olive oil. In both cases the suggestion is that some lube is better than no lube. In the second example it is suggested that regular bike lube is applied at the first convenience. No one has suggested that you use vegetable oil all the time. ( unless you are in India or the lower Slobovic regions of Bufoonia )

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

I love Muc-off chain lube. Get wet and dry so you are ready for any kind of weather. Run wet in the winter.

 

[essguy_]

Essguy,

I read your two articles you presented to back up your argument. It looks like a case where you are trying to make the answers fit your argument.

Quote from article 1

I am currently in India and I have asked around a few places and no one has chain lube.

Quote from article 2

Bike Tip #6
Ran out of chain lube? : Use Olive Oil
Use olive oil to lube your chain when you run out of a high grade synthetic chain lubricant. But get into a shop and buy the real stuff soon.

The first example is a guy in India that can not get any lube, so they suggest he use cooking oil. The second example is a tip for people that have no lube and they suggest to use olive oil. In both cases the suggestion is that some lube is better than no lube. In the second example it is suggested that regular bike lube is applied at the first convenience. No one has suggested that you use vegetable oil all the time. ( unless you are in India or the lower Slobovic regions of Bufoonia )

If you look up to my post at the top of this page, that’s exactly what I said about vegetable oil - in a pinch. But even that’s not set in stone since a lot depends upon your maintenance schedule. You could use Olive oil every day, so long as you cleaned, inspected and lubed on a higher frequency. Absolutely no problem. Most chain wear is because of dirt and because of people not knowing how to use their gears (cross chaining which stresses your chain). Btw, I used to road cycle competitively, you?

As for mixing your own lubricant - there are cyclists all over North America who do this. Why? Some because of cost, others because they believe they have a secret sauce which works. I just posted the first link I found, there are literally hundreds of threads out there and just as many recipes. Eg: Some people mix in paraffin.

Me? I just buy chain lube, but that’s not what the OP asked, so I provided an answer which was 100% correct. Maybe you should stick to posting stupid video threads with the red star in the title so that people know to skip them because they’re usually not funny.

 

[essguy_]

Since there are a lot of lubrication experts here, I thought I’d provide some more interesting info. For those who dismiss vegetable oil as a lube for machinery - just be aware that it is not the source of the oil, it is the properties which are important. Eg: Castrol began life as a company providing lube for the engines in those newfangled airplanes and automobiles (something like 120 years ago). Their source - Castor bean oil (hence the name). Castor bean oil has a higher dynamic viscosity than most petroleum based oils so was well suited for a high stress/high temp environment and continued to be used (even in jet engines) until synthetic oils surpassed. For a cycling application: Olive oil at 20 degrees has similar viscosity properties to 10W-40 engine oil at 60 degrees. So given the low stress low temp requirements for a bike - it is more than suitable. The downside is you will need to oil your chain more frequently.

I got seriously into road biking because I trained for skiing all summers including during University with outdoor biking a large summer training component. So my some of my teammates and I got our licenses and competed for a couple summers. I did my undergrad in engineering and have been a life long car guy. So if anybody out there wants to challenge my knowledge on bikes or engines then you better know what you’re talking and think twice before you go down the insult road. I’ll give Ceiling Cat the benefit of a doubt because it’s pretty obvious from his repetitive and idiotic video threads that he’s missing something upstairs.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

 

[Wild Wiglin Willie]

You called that one right, cat.

 

[essguy_]

★ They want to be reincarnated as bike seats!!!!!!


Wild Willy and Ceiling Cat go biking. (FINALLY, CC found somebody dumber than him...)

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