CBS is ending ‘The Late Show with Stephen Colbert’ next year

[Valcazar]

The guy who says PP for the first time is funny. The guy who says PP the six millionth time is not funny.

Similarly go fuck yourself offers no nuance or surprise to be considered nothing more than derogatory profanity. Repetition also drives home the lack of humor rather than enhancing it.

That doesn't mean the target audience can't enjoy it. It just doesn't really qualify as humor.

Are you critiquing Stewart's specific implementation here? (Also weird, since that 24 minutes isn't just him saying "go fuck yourself" over and over. Not even remotely.)
Or the use of it in general.
Because yes, it absolutely can be humour.
And it isn't just "how often it is said". Comedians tell a joke about how the basis of comedy is repetition.
The audience finding it funny might be a clue that it is humour.

Wyatt, making proclamations about what is objectively humour is probably a bad idea.

 

[Valcazar]

Exactly, but I think you will agree the late night format will likely never be what it was in decades past. I guess I shouldn't say never. Perhaps out there is a breakout late night star that we don't know yet who can coalesce a large audience.

I really don't think it is a matter of a break out star.
The format itself isn't a great fit for the current media ecosystem.

Late night shows as they are now evolved out of the old network TV model.
Some version of "interview with comedy and a touch of variety show" will probably survive, but it won't likely be a flagship kind of thing worth millions anymore.

Internet Commentator Emily Jashinsky (Breaking Point) said Colbert was trying to work a microculture model on a macroculture format and budget. That's an interesting way to word it. So yeah, Colbert could be great again on Comedy Central within a smaller format and a smaller budget.

I think that's a good description, actually.
I think all shows based on a macroculture format and budget are at risk these days.

 

[Valcazar]

Now this is funny. It basically relies on the go fuck yourself punch line but the set-up, delivery, timing and element of surprise make it funny. And importantly, it doesn't rely on the silly repetition of the profanity.

It's almost like being blunt can be funny, huh.

 

[WyattEarp]

Are you critiquing Stewart's specific implementation here? (Also weird, since that 24 minutes isn't just him saying "go fuck yourself" over and over. Not even remotely.)
Or the use of it in general.
Because yes, it absolutely can be humour.
And it isn't just "how often it is said". Comedians tell a joke about how the basis of comedy is repetition.

When you analyze it this way, I think you kill Stewart's joke a second time Professor.

 

[WyattEarp]

The audience finding it funny might be a clue that it is humour.

Apparently, you have never sat in a studio audience. They have a guy tell jokes, goof around and warm up the audience before the show starts. This guy also literally trains the audience to react and laugh to the applause sign. It's not subtle prompting. It's basically you paid nothing for this show so give us laughs and applause when we prompt you.

Wyatt, making proclamations about what is objectively humour is probably a bad idea.

There is nothing objective about humor. However, we know social media participants often shill for the team. You won't get honest reactions from many here.

I will admit that my comments on Stewart's little funny are only opinion. Now am I shilling for a team here? Ehhh.......probably not. I already said Colbert's Go Fuck Yourself was very funny. It was all in the set-up and delivery.

 

[WyattEarp]

It's almost like being blunt can be funny, huh.

Colbert's joke is not altogether blunt. It was all in the set-up and delivery. There's a bit of surprise when Colbert turns to the camera.

Insulting (or attacking) people for humor requires nuance. Otherwise, you're just playing to the people who don't like the person.

 

[Valcazar]

Why are all comedians, humorists, and show hosts left-wing?

We all know these TV shows will die. Just like cable TV will die. It will simply move along to streaming and social media platforms. But there also there is also only the left wing that does comedy and satire...

Right-wingers can't laugh. Their brain is not capable of that.

There is right wing comedy and satire.
You can debate its quality, I'm sure, but it exists.

 

[Valcazar]

THIS.

In addition:

100 million annual production costs, 200 staffers!, Colbert salary 15-20 million, steady ratings decline since 2018, he has little appeal to streamers so CBS can't even grab some revenue from Youtubers, etc.

All this and a 40 million annual loss...the guy should be grateful to CBS for keeping him around for so long lol. If he had any business savvy or self awareness he would have seen it coming.

He probably did.
The contract was up next year and last time it was renewed they only did 3 years, not 5, if I remember what I read.

As we've been discussing the whole format has been declining.
It's the way it is being done, to make it look like it is a CBS sucking up to Trump, that is pissing people off.

 

[Valcazar]

When you analyze it this way, I think you kill Stewart's joke a second time Professor.

Not possible.
It's objectively impossible for it to be humour according to you.

Now with the rest of the thread, you seem to have abandoned your ludicrous original position and settled on " I found Colbert's GFY to Trump to be more humorous than Jon Stewart's. "
Which I completely agree with.

 

[Valcazar]

Apparently, you have never sat in a studio audience. They have a guy tell jokes, goof around and warm up the audience before the show starts. This guy also literally trains the audience to react and laugh to the applause sign. It's not subtle prompting. It's basically you paid nothing for this show so give us laughs and applause when we prompt you.

If a piece is dying, that doesn't stop it from dying.
Trust me, if you've ever been in a studio audience you'd know.

There is nothing objective about humor. However, we know social media participants often shill for the team. You won't get honest reactions from many here.

Exactly my point.
You were so thick in your ideological bullshit that you claimed bluntness couldn't be funny and claiming it was was an oxymoron.

I will admit that my comments on Stewart's little funny are only opinion. Now am I shilling for a team here? Ehhh.......probably not. I already said Colbert's Go Fuck Yourself was very funny. It was all in the set-up and delivery.

I'm glad you came around on that, you usually don't go that far off the deep end with ideological/partisan abandonment of reality.
Good to see you step back.

 

[jalimon]

There is right wing comedy and satire.
You can debate its quality, I'm sure, but it exists.

Well, thinking about it... Who needs comedy when you have Trump??

 

[WyattEarp]

Exactly my point.
You were so thick in your ideological bullshit that you claimed bluntness couldn't be funny and claiming it was was an oxymoron.
...............
I'm glad you came around on that, you usually don't go that far off the deep end with ideological/partisan abandonment of reality.
Good to see you step back.

Easy Cowboy, let's not let angry.

First, you're the one who said Colbert's GFY was blunt. I said his joke had nuance in its set-up and delivery.

Second and most importantly, this has nothing to do with ideology for me. I think Stewart is usually a very funny guy even when he's joking about politics. Colbert in my opinion is not close to being as funny as Stewart. However in the comparison of recent Go Fuck Yourself humor, I found Colbert to be very funny and Stewart not funny.

As far as base humor, let's face it there's always some TERB members who enjoy poo-poo, pee-pee jokes directed at the politician of their choice. That doesn't mean someone can't say they're not funny. It's not at all an objective statement.

Perhaps Go Fuck Yourself is a notch or two higher than a Pee Pee joke. At the end of the day, it's all subjective.......you know.

 

[Valcazar]

Easy Cowboy, let's not let angry.

First, you're the one who said Colbert's GFY was blunt. I said his joke had nuance in its set-up and delivery.

Then set off by the bluntness.

It doesn't work without the bluntness.

Second and most importantly, this has nothing to do with ideology for me.

Denying the possible existence of comedy is hard to explain without you being in your ideological cups.
Otherwise you would just go, "I thought Stewart's joke (the song) wasn't funny".

Instead you insisted it couldn't be by definition but that other people would insist it would because of ideology.

Come on.

If you hadn't been so politically frustrated, you never would have made an ass of yourself like that.

I think Stewart is usually a very funny guy even when he's joking about politics. Colbert in my opinion is not close to being as funny as Stewart. However in the comparison of recent Go Fuck Yourself humor, I found Colbert to be very funny and Stewart not funny.

As far as base humor, let's face it there's always some TERB members who enjoy poo-poo, pee-pee jokes directed at the politician of their choice. That doesn't mean someone can't say they're not funny. It's not at all an objective statement.

Perhaps Go Fuck Yourself is a notch or two higher than a Pee Pee joke. At the end of the day, it's all subjective.......you know.

I do.
I'm glad you're owning up to that now you've had a chance to calm down.

 

[WyattEarp]

Some members might be interested to know that Greg Gutfeld will be a guest on Fallon's show next Thursday.
This is Gutfeld's first appearance as a guest on a traditional late night talk show.

Fallon doesn't really run a political show. Kimmel is far more political. I think this is a smart move to book an atypical and I have no doubt funny guest.

Greg Gutfeld to Make 'Tonight Show' Debut Next Week - LateNighter

Greg Gutfeld is set to make his first-ever appearance on a network late night show next week when he guests with Jimmy Fallon’s on 'The Tonight Show.'

latenighter.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Some members might be interested to know that Greg Gutfeld will be a guest on Fallon's show next Thursday.
This is Gutfeld's first appearance as a guest on a traditional late night talk show.

Fallon doesn't really run a political show. Kimmel is far more political. I think this is a smart move to book an atypical and I have no doubt funny guest.

Greg Gutfeld to Make 'Tonight Show' Debut Next Week - LateNighter

Greg Gutfeld is set to make his first-ever appearance on a network late night show next week when he guests with Jimmy Fallon’s on 'The Tonight Show.'

latenighter.com

This is really the difference.
Conservatism attracts those with lower compassion or community and a tendency to laugh at cruelty.

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