According to todays noon Star online the CAW is worried that GM will pull out of Canada totally. GM brass are meeting in Detroit today. Ig GM pulled out of Canada there'd be 1000's of jobs lost in this country.
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I would say closer to hundreds of thousands if one takes into account the suppliers, dealerships, transportation, supporting businesses, fast food, variety stores and such that will be affected as well.buckwheat1 said:
Maybe the CAW should blockade the GM headquarters in Canada again and interfere with the workers freedom to enter the building. That should send another clear message to GM corporate in the US.
LMAOKBear said:
If you only knew the number of times I have been inconvenienced by GM workers over the years... and at that, being a GM employee myself.
I have lost all sympathy for that union. There are still a number of GREAT workers I truly feel sorry for, but the union itself can rot for all I care.
Cycleguy007
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KBear said:
You aren't insinuating that the 2 things are related are you? A fine upstanding organization like the CAW couldn't POSSIBLY be held accountable for their own actions! (Could they?)
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I have seen firsthand major problems with both.artj said:
Management:
-who are bullies
-verbally abuse and threaten discipline on employees, (and supervisors)
-will not listen to good ideas from anyone
-place blame on their subordinates for their errors
-work supervisors far too hard, to the point where the work can never be completed, then demand more
-demand production through breaks and lunches
-refuse to accept responsibility
-concede to union bullying
-make closed door deals with the union that makes managing at the floor level impossible
Union:
-threaten to stop production
-make bogus Health and Safety claims
-demand costly items for the staff that break the supervisors budget
-make deals to let bad employees out of disciplines
-demand unnecessary overtime
-grieve when just talking could work through an issue
-pressure for more than the company can afford to give
Staff:
-many do not care about throughput
-late from breaks and lunches
-high absenteeism
-chronic substance abuse
-substandard quality
Of course NOT all employees in the above categories are like this, not at all. I have worked with people from all of these levels that were an absolute pleasure to work with. There is enough of them however to create a virus that in my opinion can not be healed. Damn shame really.
I AGREE ABOUT UNIONS. GM often has 2 doing 1 job. Cant fire the incompetent. etc
The unions and the big3 had a monopoly which is how the UAW got so gready and big. Big 3 just raised prices to pay off the UAW
When the competion came in ........... no more monopoly and goodbye big3 and the UAW
Those worker ants get well over $30 an hour with benefits to die for
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over paid
I work for the TTC at $27 and I think I am overpaid
The unions and the big3 had a monopoly which is how the UAW got so gready and big. Big 3 just raised prices to pay off the UAW
When the competion came in ........... no more monopoly and goodbye big3 and the UAW
Those worker ants get well over $30 an hour with benefits to die for
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over paid
I work for the TTC at $27 and I think I am overpaid
Cycleguy007
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261252 said:
Did I read that correctly??? Did you make a typo there or something? You work for the TTC at $27.00 AND you think you're over paid?
Better not let your TTC union brethren get wind of that... They'll reprimand you for sure with an attitude like that.
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Cycleguy007 said:Did I read that correctly??? Did you make a typo there or something? You work for the TTC at $27.00 AND you think you're over paid?
Better not let your TTC union brethren get wind of that... They'll reprimand you for sure with an attitude like that.
I think it's fairly paid.
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GM and Chrysler have been sitting on whether to accept Canadian loans. My "spidey sense" tells me that CAW is finally worried that GM will tell the Ontario gov't...thanks but no thanks, we will now build our cars only in the US.
Maybe they'll shut down the factories for a while and bring back the UAW if they want to uilize the equity in the factories.
That's my conspiracy theory.
If I am not mistaken Canadian tax law requires additional taxes on products such as automobiles, where a percentage of parts or assembly are not made or completed in Canada. That said; if Canadian sales drop below a break even point it would stand to reason that it becomes profitable to close the facilities and take the tax hit. Higher sales in Canada would likely save Canadian jobs. The members of this board show a slant towards foreign cars and if this is a sample of Canadians it tells me that most Canadians would rather own European of Japanese car as opposed to Canadian ones. Toyota and Honda may fair better with Canadian jobs.
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papasmerf said:
Excellent analysis. My first car was a chevy Nova. Chevy's followed until in 1996 I bought a BMW 325i, which I drove until 2001. I made the decision to never drive American again after about five minutes in the ultimate driving machine.
BMW's handling was awesome. Just a real blast to drive. Now I drive Toyota.
The Toyota and the BMW were better than any American car. Toyota repair? What does that word mean: repair? Is that American for POS?
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CAW anxious to talk with GM amid fears company may leave Canada Tuesday, February 3, 2009 | 12:16 PM ET Comments84Recommend37
Leaders of the Canadian Auto Workers union are using increasingly conciliatory language as they await word from General Motors on the fate of the company's Canadian operations.
CAW Local 222 president Chris Buckley says he's concerned the company may pull out of Canada entirely, which would affect about 12,000 workers and hundreds of thousands of indirect jobs.
Buckley says he's concerned GM may escalate its Canadian cutbacks after the company's board of directors wrap up a meeting in Detroit on Tuesday.
He also says it doesn't bode well that estimated U.S. auto sales figures released Monday showed a 39 per cent drop for GM, making it 14 consecutive months that sales are down.
Buckley says he wants to speak with GM officials as soon as possible to pass on that the union is willing to be part of the solution.
The union is continuing to press the federal government to supply GM with guaranteed loans, as long as they're conditional on the company maintaining operations in Canada.
"As a union it makes no sense to ignore this crisis, we understand this is a terrible situation and if we choose to ignore this crisis, there's a possibility General Motors would pull out of Canada," Buckley said in an interview.
"We're not about to give them a reason to pull out of Canada."
'We haven't closed the door on anything'
While Buckley was once hard-nosed and tough talking in seeking demands from Detroit's Big Three automakers, he has been forced to soften his stance in light of the current economic climate.
Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement has also said automakers should be reducing labour costs to make the Canadian auto industry more competitive.
"We haven't closed the door on anything just yet," Buckley said of the concessions the union is willing to make.
The union is now waiting for the phone to ring so they can advance talks with GM.
"At this point, I can tell you if we choose to ignore this crisis, it will put us in a very difficult position as far as [GM] having a Canadian presence," he said.
"I would suspect after their board meeting they'll have their restructuring plan put in place, and hopefully Canada's a part of it."
Leaders of the Canadian Auto Workers union are using increasingly conciliatory language as they await word from General Motors on the fate of the company's Canadian operations.
CAW Local 222 president Chris Buckley says he's concerned the company may pull out of Canada entirely, which would affect about 12,000 workers and hundreds of thousands of indirect jobs.
Buckley says he's concerned GM may escalate its Canadian cutbacks after the company's board of directors wrap up a meeting in Detroit on Tuesday.
He also says it doesn't bode well that estimated U.S. auto sales figures released Monday showed a 39 per cent drop for GM, making it 14 consecutive months that sales are down.
Buckley says he wants to speak with GM officials as soon as possible to pass on that the union is willing to be part of the solution.
The union is continuing to press the federal government to supply GM with guaranteed loans, as long as they're conditional on the company maintaining operations in Canada.
"As a union it makes no sense to ignore this crisis, we understand this is a terrible situation and if we choose to ignore this crisis, there's a possibility General Motors would pull out of Canada," Buckley said in an interview.
"We're not about to give them a reason to pull out of Canada."
'We haven't closed the door on anything'
While Buckley was once hard-nosed and tough talking in seeking demands from Detroit's Big Three automakers, he has been forced to soften his stance in light of the current economic climate.
Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement has also said automakers should be reducing labour costs to make the Canadian auto industry more competitive.
"We haven't closed the door on anything just yet," Buckley said of the concessions the union is willing to make.
The union is now waiting for the phone to ring so they can advance talks with GM.
"At this point, I can tell you if we choose to ignore this crisis, it will put us in a very difficult position as far as [GM] having a Canadian presence," he said.
"I would suspect after their board meeting they'll have their restructuring plan put in place, and hopefully Canada's a part of it."
KBear said:
This quite possibly the worst thing you could do
The CAW should be doing everything in their power to show GM corporate the Canadian operations are the most efficient and have the least militant labor force.
This is the absolute worst time to disrupt anything.
This company is fighting for its life & such a move will not be looked upon well
By the way, I suggested Canada might get screwed in this deal on Jan 9:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=219408
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