Candace Owens Shoots On George Floyd

[mandrill]

Aren't you being a bit dismissive? Many of us have Eastern European peasantry as our ancestors. Serfdom in Eastern Europe existed well into the nineteenth century explicitly by law or implicitly by local practice. I believe the Russian form of serfdom not only tied a serf and their offspring to the land, but eventually allowed the buying and selling of serfs. The Ottoman Empire and Imperial China allowed slavery within their borders into the twentieth century.

Certainly, we should not forget about Jim Crow and other forms of institutionalized racism. We also realize a White Eastern European could migrate to the Americas and blend into society easier than Blacks. However, the fact remains that slavery as primarily a white on black institution is historically inaccurate.

OK, where are you taking this? Is your folks' experience as Ukrainian serfs relevant to the North American experience?

My grandfathers had a grade 7 education and worked for a shilling a week in coal mines in the UK. Aside from making me not like rich, titled English nobility a lot, what real significance does it have in Toronto in 2020?.... None.

But black is different.

 

[WyattEarp]

OK, where are you taking this? Is your folks' experience as Ukrainian serfs relevant to the North American experience?

My grandfathers had a grade 7 education and worked for a shilling a week in coal mines in the UK. Aside from making me not like rich, titled English nobility a lot, what real significance does it have in Toronto in 2020?.... None.

But black is different.

I'm just noting slavery on other parts of the world is more recent and not an ancient phenomenon (as you mockingly referenced the Romans). Some people like to make slavery appear to be a U.S. institution that persisted long after it disappeared around the world.

I did mention Jim Crow and difficulties being accepted in a white society.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

OK, where are you taking this? Is your folks' experience as Ukrainian serfs relevant to the North American experience?

My grandfathers had a grade 7 education and worked for a shilling a week in coal mines in the UK. Aside from making me not like rich, titled English nobility a lot, what real significance does it have in Toronto in 2020?.... None.

But black is different.

 

[basketcase]

The problem blacks have...

Starting a post like that is pretty much the same as using your Klan membership card as your sig pic.

 

[basketcase]

The whole point of the OP posting this video was to show that the other side had some justification for doing what they did. Racist's always try to prove that racism does not exist. Verify her claims against Floyd and verify the cops complaints - then tell me whats sticks more. Its obviously a narrative as there is no other side in her argument.

Pretty much claiming that they can't be racist because one black person says it.

 

[basketcase]

Bringing up George Floyds character is completely and utterly meaningless to that fact that he was lynched in broad daylight by a racist who believed to have the system on his side. ...

To be fair, Chauvin may not be a racist but simply a despicable person. Discussions about it sure have brought racists out of the woodwork though.

 

[basketcase]

So tell me how many generations removed is past slavery no longer an issue?...

When the system allows people to get over the cost. Can't give you a number as the US is still a long way.

 

[basketcase]

So what if he is being labelled as an instant Martyr? ...

They need to keep claiming he's a martyr because they can't find any other way to undermine the issue of police violence.

He's not a martyr and I haven't heard people claiming he is. He didn't die for a cause. He is just another black man killed by the cops for no legitimate reason.

 

[basketcase]

.... However, the fact remains that slavery as primarily a white on black institution is historically inaccurate.

Considering the discussion is about the US and the discriminatory practises in place after slavery, it is wholly accurate.

 

[basketcase]

The problem with...

The problem with les is he(?) keeps reposting the same drivel.

 

[basketcase]

In many circles she'd be referred to as an Uncle Tom or an Oreo. To me those are just as demeaning as being called Nigger.

Even the Klan is aware enough not to spell out the N-word.

And of course those words are the same level of non-demeaning to you since they have nothing to do with you.

 

[rouge]

Starting a post like that is pretty much the same as using your Klan membership card as your sig pic.

You nailed it. No she is NOT color blind. Her comments are purely based on political affiliation. She gets paid by conservatives and does what they expect. Tear down “blacks”.

watch the video. She says “blacks” glorify the “lowest denominator”. She praises high flying “blacks” by name and amazingly does not mention Obama. A Democrat of course.
And by the way, if she were a real American conservative (Christian). She’ll understand Jesus went for the “lowest denominator” in society. Not the exalted.

 

[lessjamie7]

The problem with les is he(?) keeps reposting the same drivel.

Drivel is just stated as being so by those insensed by its sensibilities, you have substantiated the merit of my post by reacting to it and even more so by being so threatened by it you truncated it.

Thank you for making my point with more conviction in denying it than I could by writing it.

Check mate.

LJ

 

[mandrill]

I'm just noting slavery on other parts of the world is more recent and not an ancient phenomenon (as you mockingly referenced the Romans). Some people like to make slavery appear to be a U.S. institution that persisted long after it disappeared around the world.

I did mention Jim Crow and difficulties being accepted in a white society.

Russia emancipated the serfs 3 years after Lincoln emancipated the Black slaves in the US. But 2 significant differences. Serfs in Eastern Europe were white and ethnically similar to their owners. So the whole rigmarole of racial differentiation doesn't happen in Russia. Second, the oppressive overlords were killed and driven out in 1919. There was a general top-to-bottom changeup of society. (Now you and I may not like what replaced the Romanovs much either, but it was a social revolution).

Russians today may be treated like shit by their government, but that's not to do with the immutable colour of their skin. It's because they didn't luck in to the corrupt top 5% when the Reds took over in 1919 and the mafiya took over 30 years ago.

 

[WyattEarp]

Considering the discussion is about the US and the discriminatory practises in place after slavery, it is wholly accurate.

Unless of course you read the thread and respond to comments in a timely and roughly sequential manner. If we want to drill down, the discussion is really about Candace Owens and her view of events following George Floyd's murder.

 

[black booty lover]

Well said. The man gets it, totally.

thank you.

 

[The Oracle]

Brandon Tatum shoots on Candace Owens......Keeping it real.

 

[Smallcock]

You nailed it. No she is NOT color blind. Her comments are purely based on political affiliation. She gets paid by conservatives and does what they expect. Tear down “blacks”.

She might get paid by conservatives or anyone willing to listen to her (which in itself doesn't discredits her), but I don't see her tearing down blacks. I see her building blacks up. Critiquing flaws isn't about tearing anyone down. It's about looking at a problem and suggesting a better way forward.

 

[Smallcock]

She has never offered a better way forward for her own people. There is literally nothing she has done but blame them for the "non-existent" racism and systemic oppression they face on a daily basis. Its one thing to have another point of view, but if you are not doing some tangible work with that, then you are just a parrot for the oppressing class. BTW - if she is getting paid to spew a narrative (which she is), it definitely discredits her.

Every talk she does including the video posted offers a better way. Watch the wonderful addendum by Mr. Tatum above. Candace has never claimed that racism doesn't exist. She's black in America. She knows it exists. In order to have a dialogue we mustn't be so dishonest. I don't know if your dishonesty is intentional but it's not helpful.

 

[Smallcock]

If a cop wrongfully killed a white, brown, or yellow scumbag, we would acknowledge that the officer must face justice. But you would never get marches and protests exalting the scumbag. You would never see murals painted of an Asian, white, or brown man if that man had spent his entire life terrorizing his own community.

Candace is explaining to viewers how sick and backward this is. Why does it seem normal to you? Why do you have such a low standard for black Americans vs everyone else? You're complicit in the entrenched pathology effecting many urban black communities and you actually feel good about it. That's a problem.