Canada Death Rate 1950-2024
Chart and table of the Canada death rate from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.
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Canadian Death Rates Remain Flat
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Except statscan hasn't published final data for 2020 yet.
As I said (and as that provisional report mentions) you need to compare the causes of death to make any reasonable conclusion.
Your belief is a) that they are lying about covid as a cause of death and b) that the covid deaths would simply replace people who would have died anyway (and it's funny that you have two different conspiracy theories going on at the same time).
When the full data is out we can see where the changes were. If somehow the 22,000 covid deaths simply replace the 8,000 flu and pneumonia deaths then your 'theory' would be confirmed. In this reality though, those numbers don't work.
Nonsense
If 2020 has 40,000 fewer deaths than 2019 you would require more than 20,000 deaths PER MONTH to even equal the total
(and even in an equal raw number, the death rate is still lower since population did increase via births and immigrations year over year)
Plus the beyond captain obvious
IF we had 20,000 Covid deaths PER MONTH in Nov + Dec it kinda woulda made some news dont ya think?
Fact is we have fewer deaths this year than we did last year
Period
Yes we are awaiting final counts to see how many less
Yes we know more people died of covid than died of flu
Yes we know more suicides and drug od
And yes we predict fewer accidental deaths from stuff like car accidents etc due to many staying home
But we did not have some massive death count as predicted by the experts over this virulent flu known as covid
Why do you think 2020 has 40,000 fewer deaths than 2019?
And your own number for 2019 deaths averages to >23,500 deaths per month so you would assume that it would be perfectly normal for 2020 to pass 2019 if the numbers you posted were correct.
Why would you think all deaths are COVID deaths? That would be silly.
If you mean that "because we haven't counted all the 2020 deaths yet, we have fewer in the count" then yes.
If you mean "2020 had fewer deaths than 2019" you simply have nowhere near enough data to determine that.
Oh. You really think we have less on a raw basis.
No wonder you were so shocked when I said I expect us to have 300,000 in 2020. That must have seemed insane to you.
Don't worry our bet is still on
I am expecting a flat plateau but if final count is below 2019 even better
Gotcha.
We're just reading the data very differently.
I think StatsCan updates it every two months, but I'll just try to remember to check consistently.
I'm sure you can link us to the statscan site where they list causes of death right?
Until you provide it, I'll leave you with the simple fact that accidents are Canada's third leading cause of death most years and when people are in lockdown, there are a hell of a lot of accidents.
Canada is among the best with regards to death and infection rates among the G7 Nations:
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Uhhh you do realize that Val is not a female provider right?
Val is a HE...
Unless that is what you are into....
You see how you see things in such a messed-up way. OF COURSE, I know Valcazar is a he. Val is for short the same way I call you TJ and worse! LMAO
UPDATE
Statscan updated this morning.
I haven't won yet, but I'm pretty confident.
Statscan updated this morning.
Looks like the data now extends to Dec 19. I expect just the extra week alone would get us the 3,627 needed to pass 300,000 and with two weeks (although we would need to knock off the last two days of the last week) we should be closer to 310,000. (I don' t think we will actually hit that, though.)
I haven't won yet, but I'm pretty confident.
Zhe?
Haha
If you are female then oops
Although you are inching closer to victory I do note the report states direct impacts of Covid 19 cannot fully account....
They do seem to imply very large upticks in things like suicide / od
That is pretty funny actually.... I predicted something looking only at covid deaths and nondirect covid deaths appear to be my downfall
Still have a chance tho
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What exactly is the bet?
2019 Deaths = 284,082
2020 Deaths = 296,373 so far (up to mid-Dec 2020)
The original post claimed death rate was flat. There was some discussion over where stats were coming from.
TeeJay eventually posted the counts from StatsCan, arguing 2020 was running behind 2019 and that overall it was flat, just like he said.
I thought he was misreading the report and accompanying tables and it was NOT flat and proposed a clean marker.
TeeJay agreed that 300,000 would count as not flat.
Today's release puts us at 296,373, so while I haven't technically won (and you can argue I won't until 2022 or so because final death counts are rarely 100% final until a couple of years later) I think I'm safe declaring victory at this point.
It will take time to take in full direct effects of COVID-19 - but that's normal, it usually take a year or two to get all the stats in. If you look at 2019 on stats can I think it is still listed as provisional count.
What the report is showing is that the excess deaths tracked with COVID deaths in the first part of the year (wave 1). Then, in the fall, they diverged. COVID deaths were about half the excess deaths, and they do think some of that excess came from Overdosing and Suicide. Then, towards the end of the year, the excess seems to be more dependent on COVID-19 again.
Through Dec19 StatsCan has 13,798 excess deaths and 12,640 COVID-19 deaths.
Over the course of the year, the excess is heavily influenced by COVID-19. (But not totally, since COVID-19 is replacing some deaths that would have been expected from other causes.)
Oh I got that
Hence why I tried to push you into a non binary role
Trying to save face as the chinese call it haha
Still annoyed I could lose the bet based on non-covid deaths pushing it over the top
(and yes we both know totals will never be accurate to the person, that is why we said a range)
