You know, the thread in reddit is from "AskUK", right? We are not in UK, we are in Canada. We did not have large pickpocketing/shoplifting/beggars on the roads problem in the past. We were better in this respect than poor Europe. We had gates only in low-end grocery stores in bad neighborhood. Now they are everywhere.Damn, found a reddit thread lamenting the loss of turnstiles. So they've been around long enough that people are nostalgic for them.
As for retail theft, as always there's mort to the story. 9 billion in total theft (retail, not just groceries). But mis of it organized, I.e. palates out the back door, not snickers out the front.
So here we are again: the capital class enshitifying your shopping experience while making you distrust your fellow working class man.
Canada's Quality of Life index - is it plummeting?
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Canadians feel optimistic about their personal lives, but pessimistic about the country, poll finds
But when it comes to Canadian's views of their own personal fortunes, they are much more optimistic.
nationalpost.com
So I gave you 3 examples. 2 of which you can get in your car and check out. The reddit photo is included because I've definitely been in stores with those gates. If memory serves, the last one was the food basics at Woodside Square circa 2005 (when I moved away from there).
If you don't have memories of turnstiles at grocery stores, you were either born in the 90's, and grew up after the rise of the superstore, (and never shopped anywhere else) or you are old enough to be senile.
As for "When did access control become a thing at grocery stores", well here's an article on the history of the grocery store:
The History (and Future) of the Grocery Store | Slate
A story of adaptability and resilience by Slate
www.slateam.com
That has pictures of the FIRST grocery store chain, Piggly Wiggly.
Look at those welcoming turnstiles and chain link fences.
And just to further trigger you snowflakes: Did you know nostalgia for a past that never existed is a cornerstone of fascism?
To Defeat Fascism, We Must Reject Nostalgia
I’ll be blunt: nostalgia has played no small part in bringing us to our current moment. The desire to return to a mythic past is one of the hallmarks of fascism, and now that America has allowed an…
theharvestmaidsrevenge.com
But wait! There's More!
As I eluded to earlier: There is no evidence to back up retailers claims that theft is on the rise.
As I eluded to earlier: There is no evidence to back up retailers claims that theft is on the rise.
good news, the senate may vote to end the kind of poverty that drives low level shoplifting and theft
Ahhh, now I've figured out why the right-wing bots are focused on shoplifting...
It's because every other property crime is down:
It's because every other property crime is down:
So true.
The amount of historical revisionism, and the mental gymnastics the fascists of today resort to is astounding.
It’s almost like they’ve marked out for their own gimmick.
Which one? there are many views of PW's available from multiple sites. Granted, I was not alive in 1918, but it'd be real convenient for Wikipedia to AI generate a bunch of these images 15 years ago just to support my argument.
Wiki:
Wall Street Journal
Dig Memphis
A contemporaneous ad:
And the literal Piggly Wiggly website: (https://pwadc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1st-Pig-Store-Tennessee-copy-cropped-800x600.jpg)
Wiki:
Wall Street Journal
Dig Memphis
A contemporaneous ad:
And the literal Piggly Wiggly website: (https://pwadc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1st-Pig-Store-Tennessee-copy-cropped-800x600.jpg)
The Algorythm has figured out that I was looking for pictures of old grocery stores.
Here's the opening day of the Dominion on Dundas street in 1957. Look what's peaking out at the end of the aisle: A TURNSTILE! In Canada! In 1957! Oh the Huge Manatees!
Here's the opening day of the Dominion on Dundas street in 1957. Look what's peaking out at the end of the aisle: A TURNSTILE! In Canada! In 1957! Oh the Huge Manatees!
And let's not forget this anti-theft measure. Back in my day we weren't even allowed to carry our groceries out. You checked out, then a store employee re-packaged them and put them in your car so your shopping could be checked against the reciept one last time:
The 80's were truly a prison for freedom loving canadians!
The 80's were truly a prison for freedom loving canadians!
you have it all figured out do ya?
Canada: violent crime rate 2023| Statista
The rate of incidents of violent criminal code violations in Canada increased by 51.1 incidents (+3.71 percent) in 2023 in comparison to the previous year.
www.statista.com
gee whatever could have happened in 2015 ?
Those changes look big because crime is low in Canada.you have it all figured out do ya?
Canada: violent crime rate 2023| Statista
The rate of incidents of violent criminal code violations in Canada increased by 51.1 incidents (+3.71 percent) in 2023 in comparison to the previous year.
gee whatever could have happened in 2015 ?
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We are one of the safest countries in the world.
Right wingers are just always afraid of everything.
Canada Ranked Among The Safest Countries In The World To Travel To In 2026
Canada has been named the fifth safest country in the world to travel to in 2026, according to Berkshire Hathaway Travel Protection.
secrettoronto.co
Which is it
and which is it? We were talking about property crimes, and how they might influence a decision to provide access control in a grocery store. Now you're moving the goal posts to violent crimes, which are up, but still historically low, and trending downward.
Which is it, Statista or Stats Can? Right now, the Crime Severity Index is lower than it was in 2012.you have it all figured out do ya?
Canada: violent crime rate 2023| Statista
The rate of incidents of violent criminal code violations in Canada increased by 51.1 incidents (+3.71 percent) in 2023 in comparison to the previous year.
gee whatever could have happened in 2015 ?
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and which is it? We were talking about property crimes, and how they might influence a decision to provide access control in a grocery store. Now you're moving the goal posts to violent crimes, which are up, but still historically low, and trending downward.
your source was for various under $5000, theft - crimes but not violent crimes
an increase in violent crimes definitely indicates societal breakdown and or weaken enforcement of the law
what ?
you selectively expanded the scope from shoplifting to include a variety of property crimes
only one of which applies to grocers,
you had no issue moving those goal posts
you do not think things through
FYI an increase in violent crime is much much bigger concern
You are cherry picking stats again.
Canada is 5th safest country in the world.
