I’m saying cut the CP strictly because of the numbers and the change in our society, going mostly paperless. Something has to give and it is going to be CP and its workers. It is the only way.
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c'mon larue, you've been predicting the planet will stop warming for decades now.
We already have one oracle named Gloria here, you're going to have to do better.
So how about the next step after going paperless, going cashless.
You're not worried about how that will impact the hobby?
1. I know it will impact others but not me because I can accept EMT or CC payments. I do for my porn site no problem. Paying taxes makes cashless less of an issue for me. So nice try but ….. that one doesn’t work with me.
2. Stay on topic. We are talking about CP. not all the other non related scenarios you bring up to distract from the reality that CP needs an overall and to be minimized to match what society’s reality is now. Period.
So stay on topic please.
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Okay I'm talking. Paid the the full ride (over $250,000 tax paid. yes 50%) with no non-standard personal deductions other than I gave 25,000 to Southlake hospital and $5,000 to the food bank. Now you smart ass.
Count me in the same group: $180K wage, no business ownership, no deduction, taxed enough to support a small family of people who preferred to party instead of studying in their youth, and are lazy enough to even get a vocational degree in any trade
The mouth breather who fills mailboxes doesn't discover squat. Drugs cross the border in quantity by truck not thru post. True, there is a mathematical possibility they may detect someone shipping a couple grams of coke home from a trip to Peru but thee people shipping by the ton are not using the post. Guns from the US are detected by customs, not up. Here is a reusable straw for you to grasp.
Its related, going paperless and cashless are related. Cashless will effect you because it means bank records for sessions unless you can come up with some business name that passes.
Ok, we are talking CP. Carney is pushing an austerity package, this cut will be part of a series of cuts just as we are edging towards recession. That will make it worse and the usual way to get out of recession is by government stimulus. Likely we can pull back some delivery of the post though we'll still make some businesses either shut down or raise costs as they have to move to american or international deliveries. It means Canadian businesses won't be able to compete with Amazon, who can deliver faster and cheaper already. That will lead to more business closures.
That cash could easily be found by cutting oil$gas subsidies, there is $28 billion a year there. Or by raising taxes closer to the historic norms on the 1%.
Sure, we could close and rearrange postal offices and make it so there is only one close to you. That could save some cash.
Cashless won’t effect me. I’m not going to spend time off topic explaining why but even with what you have said - it won’t affect me. So we can drop the useless cashless stuff.
As for the big recession - I have heard economists say that 2026 will actually be better but that is not the point either. A recession should not be a reason to not cut spending on CP and instead - tax the rich and make them pay for it.
You have basically now agreed with almost every suggestion I have made. SOME reduction from daily deliveries, SOME outlets being closed. You see the benefits of these. Maybe not to the extent that I am talking about but you see the need so why are fighting so hard against any cuts in one post and then agreeing in part in another post? Between that and the multiple attempts in comparing apples to oranges to debate your points, it seem more like you just want to fight instead of actually truly caring at all about CP and what is going on with it. More like an internet fighter than a person who actually cares about what they are debating about. But that is just my observation.
PS - I will admit I don’t know much about the oil/gas subsidy but I will say we need oil and gas more then daily deliveries and multiple outlets minutes from each other.
I expect cuts will come but I don't think they will be smart and don't support them. It'll hit old people, rural people and some small businesses along with ending a few thousand union and pensioned jobs. Those will be replaced by poorer paying international corporations that will cost more and take that profit out of the country along with losing control of what should be an essential service. The amount saved isn't massive and that amount could be saved in oil and gas subsidies or gained as revenue through taxation.
Ontario has 800,000 unemployed. We added 10,000 university and college teachers along with more auto workers in Oshawa today.
I know you don't agree with this but its what we've seen happening in Canada for decades, its the conservative plan. Cut social service funding until everyone agrees they don't work well and you can kill them outright. Its taking us more down the neoliberal path of the US, where there is a bigger divide, poorer education and health care and a country losing its democracy. The other option is you go more norther EU and social democratic. That's what I would prefer. So when I said likely we could make those cuts, I meant likely Carney will make those cuts. They still won't be good.
Here's the question I have for you:
If those cuts are made do you think your taxes will go down?
If they don't, what do you gain?
What do I gain personally? Nothing. What do I gain as a citizen - the allocation of that bail out money to something needed more.
I know how you feel and you know how I feel. You, like some others, as your tweet says bail outs are not handouts. I disagree. CP is full of wasteful spending. Period. You can't deny that. Taxing people more to pay for that is ridiculous. And you know cuts are needed and have already agreed to SOME of it. Just not as far as what Carney is probably going to do. But you are not stupid and you know some cuts need to be made.
Or maybe you don't. Since you asked me a question, let me ask you one....
Have a look on google maps and tell me why they need a CP outlet that Thickson/Taunton, Taunton/Garden and Garden/Rossland? Why is it so wrong to leave one at Taunton/Garden and ax the other two?
I'd argue keep one of your three and see if the other two can be moved to other rural areas that are underserviced.
Its still part of the same old argument that's been going on since Reagan and Thatcher. Cut taxes for the rich, complain that you are now running deficit so cut services. Then say the services aren't working so cut them some more, then declare you can now afford a tax cut that gives a 1% break to the middle and lower classes and a 20% break to the 1%.
That is why governments in North America keep saying they can't afford to fund social services that they used to fund. Things don't get better when you keep going down this path, it doesn't lead to economic success, ends of deficits or debts.
i do not think you fully understand the nature of the governments abysmal financial position
the wasteful spending @ CP needs to be permanently eliminated, not re-allocated
the government has to stop deficit financing and real soon
You want Canada to repeat the policies and success of Argentina, it sounds like.
How did that work out?
I spent some time in Buenes Aires years ago.
Great city and interesting people.
Used to be one of the few countries where every student, domestic or international, could study for free.
Populism and government cutbacks from Milleil killed all that and turned the country into a disaster.
Disaster Capitalism is what Naomi Klein called it.
Then I ask the same question I ask everyone who backs these types of questions.
When has it ever made things better?
In contrast to say, free dental.
I’m not debating with you anymore. I have already said I want to keep the topic on CP itself and you want to go off tangents.
You have agreed to some cuts and then changed your opinion. You are bring up things that are not relevant to CP itself. You are debating strictly for the internet fight and not because you really care about CP as a whole and I have no interest in that as you will just keep going in circles to keep the argument going.
I disagree with most of your opinions on how to change this CP issue itself and I’m fine at ending it there with you directly.
I disagree with your CP.
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