Can we just turn our backs?

[langeweile]

http://www.phrusa.org/research/chemical_weapons/chemiraqgas2.html

In the midst of the discussion, as to the value of the war in Iraq. We should not forget what Saddam did to his own people.
I am deeply sadened by any live killed in any conflict.

The question I wrestle with the most is:" At what point do we stop talking and step in and take action?"

These events described in Kurdistan happened on our watch. The same thing is happening on our watch again in the Sudan. The death toll is expected to rise to 300000 this year.

Before some of you are going on the defensive.
I DON'T TRY TO JUSTIFY WHAT IS GOIN ON IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW.

 

[freshbreath]

I think it's obvious that he's a bad guy

don't preach to the choir!

people who are pro-war sometimes speak like anti-war people are pro-Saddam-ites who would lick his sack on command

 

[langeweile]

Forgotten? I don't think so.

But what has been forgotten is that Saddam was a CIA "stooge", and that he had the backing of the USA.

Thanks for your comment, but I am not sure how it's going to help the people there.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

The world has been turning its back for years. As long as you allow countries to unilaterally decide who needs to be eliminated based on self-interest you will never have justice for those that are suffering. The U.N. is a joke. The decisions that are made are never consistently applied throughout the world because of the politics of the organization. As long as the superpowers benefit from the relationship with world tyrants as a means of exerting influence they will be “protected� until they no longer serve their purpose.

Moral relativism is alive and well.

 

[Goober Mcfly]

I miss the old Cardinal Fang. You know, the funny one.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

*Punches monitor*

 

[Cardinal Fang]

May I suggest you allow me to wallow in my own misery you pugnaciously elated someone who thinks that placenta sounds tasty.

*Fang is a bit on edge...*

 

[langeweile]

I wonder what happens if he punches a flatscreen vs. a regular monitor????mhmhmhmmmmm
The flat screen would fall off his desk..I guess.


Man I have way too much time on my hands...

 

[Drunken Master]

Sadaam was a son of a bitch.

Sadly, the world is not a moral kindergarten. Riding the world of a bad man does not automatically make the world a better or a safer place. To believe so is to be naive - to act on this belief is to be criminally irresponsible.

 

[Drunken Master]

SIMUL-POST!

What do we win?

 

[Cardinal Fang]

The new mitsubishi (you spelled it WRONG Sheik) lcd monitor.

 

[langeweile]

Maybe I didn`t make myself clear.
The question is:

At what point is it justified to step in? or is it ever justified?

Yes, master I have posted this on https://merb.cc as well. I wanted peoples opinion on that to help me in my own decision.
I don`t believe this is illegal. Or is it?

 

[langeweile]

Winston,

While it is all nice to get rallied up about it here, and try to assign blame, only to retreat in to our nice suburban homes. Feeling good that we were able to tell the world our view.
In the meantime lightyears away from our front lawn, little children and their mothers and fathers are being slaughtered with machetes.
We, call "we" whoever fits your description, have the power and the means to do something about it.
Is it our obligation to intervene and stop the madness? Or are we to retreat and do nothing?

 

[assoholic]

..force is only used for good in fairy tales, the US acts no differently then any other country, in its own self interest. Thats why the only real solutions are local ones, outside interests have their intererests at heart, whether its the Soudan , Iraq, or lower Uranus.

 

[Drunken Master]

No Fang MitsuBUSHi.....I had bush on the mind

Don't we all?

 

[langeweile]

Winston
I was refering to the isues surrounding in the Sudan?Rwanda? and similiar situation, and used the gasing of the Kurds as an example.
Sorry for the confusion.

 

[papasmerf]

Face it
people involeved with Sudam knew what was happening. CNN for one. Yet untill Alied forces went in to remove him, not a thought was given to him, buy the UN.

 

[assoholic]

..he was their excuse for going in, the same case could probabkly be made for 30-40 other countries. The question now is this, as Colin Powel said "if you break it you own it". I have been against the invasion from the start but, now that it has happened, what responsibility does the US owe to the Iraqi people ? is it fair to just cut and run.

 

[papasmerf]

..he was their excuse for going in, the same case could probabkly be made for 30-40 other countries. The question now is this, as Colin Powel said "if you break it you own it". I have been against the invasion from the start but, now that it has happened, what responsibility does the US owe to the Iraqi people ? is it fair to just cut and run.

As i said in the beging of this

it takes 4 or 5 generations for a culture to embrace democracy, when they did not choose it.

 

[The Shake]

Face it
people involeved with Sudam knew what was happening. CNN for one.

Oh, man, where's a Tool of the Week thread when you need one?

Yet untill Alied forces went in to remove him,

Allied forces? BWAHAHAHAHAHAH. I've never seen American spelled that way before...

not a thought was given to him, buy the UN.

Other than, of course, a decade of crippling sanctions.

What colour is the sky in your world?