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FatOne

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You have placed a very inflated value on your advice
Except he is right. My experience also, I got left alone for a few months after a violent outburst. If only I had the balls I could have gooned my way into some peace and quit for my high school years. Nothing else works, getting parents or teachers involved just makes things worse, they can't watch over you always.

Granted I went to a high school without knives or guns, if I went to a ghetto school I think I would have just stayed home. One thing that kept me going is that it will get better once I get out, but in a ghetto school there is a serious possibility that if you are a target that you won't get out.
 

simon482

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i guess i am lucky with being the biggest guy in school at every school i went to i never had to really worry about being bullied.
 

FatOne

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i guess i am lucky with being the biggest guy in school at every school i went to i never had to really worry about being bullied.
I was a big SOB also, however I was too much of a pussy to use it.
 

GG2

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I wanted to commit suicide when I was 10 years old. My parents took me to the place where they first met.



Then they "re-enacted" what happened as I watched.
 

simon482

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I was a big SOB also, however I was too much of a pussy to use it.
i didn't really go looking for it, but i never ran from it when it showed up. the fucked up thing with me is that i would almost always take shit to far once someone started with me cuz i didn't care how badly i got hurt as long as the other person got hurt more. in that regard though, i was born with a high pain tolerance so i knew if it was hurting me, it was hurting them way more.
 

afterhours

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I was seriously bullied in grades 4 and 5. It took me about two years to discover that violence ends bullying. Once I figured that out, early in grade 6, the bullying ceased. Bullies thrive in an environment where kids are ostracized if they involve the authorities (teachers) and parents are powerless. Most victims are socialized early by their peers not to "rat" on the bullies.

I discovered early in life that the best response to bullying was in three parts: (1) ask the bully to stop, (2) threaten violence, (3) violence. If an individual bully is bigger or stronger, start the violence from behind or when the bully is asleep or already in a fight. If the bullies run in packs, seek them out separately, or damage their property while they are not around to defend it, or (as a last resort) start the violence with a weapon.

Just my 2 cents...
I don't see why a weapon should be the last resort...I grew up in a rough neighbourhood and I split a bully's head open with a stone when I was about 8 or 9 years old.
 

GPIDEAL

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I guess what I'm saying is that even minoring bullying can be traumatic. Since the bullying mostly stopped in junior high school for me, I too became friends with many of those that taunted me - I am not on FB, but I am sure that they too would be my friends on it. I think that we were fortunate in that it wasn't worse. Imagine every day - and imagine with social media how fast and wide rumours can fly (though I remember that happening in my day at high school too). There were days and times after being only mildly bullied that I felt very upset, and the anxiety I faced when I had to go to school was horrendous.
You know something 4Tees, my FB friends include younger students (godchild, nephews, etc) who argue and insult at times (I used to see their correspondence on my BB which I stopped), and I had to intervene and say something like, "Is that how you talk to your friend". Thank god there wasn't social media back then. You're right.

Overall though, I was well liked by all, just that some guys had to flex their muscle. It never got so bad that I had to consider taking action. I wouldn't want my kid bullied.
 

simon482

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As I mentioned, I was trained on how to handle bullies in a non violent way, and it worked!!! I simply stood up to them verbally, showed no fear and would slightly insult them in the process. I had one bully who said "I'm gonna get you after school in the yard today." I said "Oh, I can't do that... I've got a computer club meeting at that time, but I can do Thursday at 3:00pm in the Cafeteria." I then wrote it down in my datebook and asked him to confirm it in his. He looked stunned at me. This guy became a fairly good acquaintance about three months after that.

Another instance... a bully was jealous of the fact that I developed a friendship with a long-term buddy of his. He used to do very unflattering imitations of me all throughout school. This guy also was a body builder who also had an earring at the age of 16, and used to sit there puffing out his muscles. One day, as we were sitting at lunch, I took-out a gaudy clip-on earring from my mother's 80's earring collection, put it on my ear, and started feeling-up my pecs and biceps, imitating him. The entire table I was at cleared-out, expecting this guy to rip into me. I just held my ground and looked him square in the face and said "You look upset... what am I doing that makes you angry?" I got a lot of respect from the people around me, and he never bugged me again. I also got a reputation as someone who would not be intimidated by a bully.

As I said, I was trained by some very wise people in my life on how to handle these situations - not everyone gets it. But your view that there is "no other option" is false. Developing a sense of dignity, holding your ground, and knowing that bullies have their flaws is all it takes to avoid a violent confrontation - but it takes a lot of effort and courage to learn. Too bad no one taught you the same lesson that I learned.
they feed on fear, if you show none they get hungry and move on. well played sir, you handled it the right way. i have always said i would respect someone that can talk their way out of any situation more, than i would someone that resorted to fists first. you did the right thing in those situations.
 

Narg

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You have placed a very inflated value on your advice
First, fuck you.

Now that I have that out of the way, your high minded suggestions about how to deal with bullying presume both that the victim is capable of responding in such a fashion and that the bullying will not simply escalate to physical violence. When both bully and victim are between the ages of 6 and 10, I very much doubt that your suggested tactics will work (or even be attempted).

In any case, in the school I attended, bullying continued and increased in severity until the victim displayed the desired reaction. One of my classmates (who was physically smaller than the class norm and had bladder control issues when he was younger) was locked in a locker for hours. Another was physically beaten by stronger and more numerous kids unless he brought them money and junk food every day. A third had his head forced into a toilet (I have no idea how many times). I remember being punched and kicked when I tried to show no sign that verbal bullying was affecting me.

Good for you that you were able to take the moral high ground and make it stick. That does not speak much to the experience of many other victims.
 

FatOne

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As I mentioned, I was trained on how to handle bullies in a non violent way, and it worked!!! I simply stood up to them verbally, showed no fear and would slightly insult them in the process. I had one bully who said "I'm gonna get you after school in the yard today." I said "Oh, I can't do that... I've got a computer club meeting at that time, but I can do Thursday at 3:00pm in the Cafeteria." I then wrote it down in my datebook and asked him to confirm it in his. He looked stunned at me. This guy became a fairly good acquaintance about three months after that.
From G 9 to G 12 only 3 events were physical, I am 1-1-1. In the draw the guy was at my face but wouldn't start the physical, even managed to fall down without me touching him] the other times were sucker hits in my win from rage. It was basically constant verbal abuse. People would bypass the school teachers pet to go after me. Verbal abuse, knocking the books out of my hand etc. I was a smart kid, but the right thing to say always comes to mind when it is too late, other than that everything I said when trying to be clever just somehow came out as socially retarded and make things worse.
Being one of the tallest as well as fattest kids in school [not today fat, but 80's fat] I managed to avoid most of the physical stuff. If I were like say Cute-Bald, I would probably have to drop out of school.

So yeah, in a dream world my wit would be as quick as it is strong, but if I had my time back I would have forced myself to grow some balls and charge at anyone who even looked at me funny or said the slightest thing that could be taken in a negative way until I was left alone. When your words are the thing that gets you into trouble, when everything you say is wrong, when other people can say the exact same thing you say and get the opposite reaction, the best thing to do is give up and hurt someone. Again as long as you are not in a ghetto school.
 

pocahottie

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Anderson Cooper 360 was on CNN last night. Great link http://www.facebook.com/stopbullyingspeakup . I believe 20/20 recently reported on a story based on students thats commited suicide due to bullying. A mother who lost a child, a mother who's child was a victim of bullying and then a look into what one school was doing to eliminate it. I think it's great that this becoming an issue that is being addressed, rather than just being swept under the carpet.
 

FatOne

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Then, to literally quote you, you have "given up" and "lost" to the bullies. And when you give up, they win. They win because they have taken that piece of you that doesn't want to fight.
I hope you never end up in prison. Sure you might not lose or give up, but your ass is going to be really sore.

And if you didn't read my stuff properly, the problem was that I didn't fight. In one case I charged someone after getting a bloody nose, in a second I just stood my ground and he didn't start anything and in the third I don't even remember being hit because the sucker punch smacked my head against a wall.
Bullshit aside I would have been much better off if I cracked some skulls. That piece of me that didn't want to fight was wrong. It made my life much harder than it had to be.
 

sleazure

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I wish I coulda been a fly on the wall at his school after it happened.

Judging by the way that the school and the board failed him, gotta wonder if those pricks let out a collective sigh of relief after he passed.

There's a very good chance that the people who failed him didn't want him there in the first place.
 

Narg

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4tees,

Your comments display a complete lack of empathy for what many victims of bullying experience, combined with smug self-satisfaction that you were taught a superior method of handling bullying. You even dismissed FatOne as being lazy or cowardly and as lacking in dignity because he did not follow your methods.

Let me ask this - suppose when you made a joke about someone calling you out in the school yard, instead of walking away, he and two of his friends braced you in public that afternoon, sucker punched you and then made fun of you while you were curled up on the ground in front of your classmates? What then? Just be glad you were never actually a victim of bullying.
 

FatOne

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4tees,

You even dismissed FatOne as being lazy or cowardly and as lacking in dignity because he did not follow your methods.
To be fair, I am lazy and cowardly. To the extreme.
 

ExerciseGuy

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i used to volunteer on the suicide help line, i tried to use examples from my own life to help them but it was basically all a lie cuz while i was telling them not to and to be strong i was going home at night and trying to kill myself on a regular basis.
you would think in the age of the world we are in now society as a whole would be past picking on someone because they are poorer than you or because they have a different skin colour. 2011 and we are still basically running with cliques and the selected few are more important and special than the rest of us. pathetic really.

i have a shady past for the most part, i have done a shit load of things i am not overly proud of. 1 thing that i am most proud of is in high school the retarded kids had their own special room at the back of the school, they used to get picked on all the time cuz i went to a school in the middle of no where and rednecks ain't to good with shit that is different. i used to protect those kids, every time i would see someone making fun of them or laughing at them or just being a small minded ignorant rube, i would walk over and give them a smack i the teeth. i protected those kids like i was their big brother and i rarely got in trouble from the teachers that saw me do it cuz they knew why i did it and wished they could do it themselves.

i think we could learn a lot from retarded people, they are happy and smiling all the time, like everyone and don't judge anyone cuz they are different. sometimes i think they are smarter than the rest of us.
Simon482, I have been wondering about whether those who find themselves in these situations can see enough hope to turn around if they realize that they are able to help others. Would you say that was/is what is helping you? I really commend you for sticking up for those who are being unjustifiably picked on and disadvantaged. It is certainly something to be proud of. Kudos to you!
 

simon482

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Simon482, I have been wondering about whether those who find themselves in these situations can see enough hope to turn around if they realize that they are able to help others. Would you say that was/is what is helping you? I really commend you for sticking up for those who are being unjustifiably picked on and disadvantaged. It is certainly something to be proud of. Kudos to you!
most people that are bullies were raised by bullies and it is all they know. it is a lot harder to break the mold and become something better than it is to just go along with what you know.

all i know for me is that i was in a serious depression over some thinsg happening and had happened to me in my life and after trying to get it over with a few times and it not working i realized there is something for me to do and i am not allowed to go yet.
 

Julie

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How is putting people down on TERB any different??? I read some really mean things on here. I had to speak to anther lady who is also a TERB member a few weeks ago for over an hour. She was reduced to tears about something that was so mean and stupid it is not worth even discussing.. She was talking about getting plastic surgery because of comments made by a guy about her! She took many days off after that afraid she may get anther hurtful lie told about her. Heck, I have read mean lies about me on here.. People saying I am old, older then I actually am. One guy claimed I was in my late 40's or 50's....Now anytime somebody says anything about me on the board someone comes on and says something like"How old is she?" "Isn't she old?" Bullying comes in many forms... Hiding behind a computer and being mean or telling untruthes with the intent to hurt or break someone down is the same thing. It is bullying.. I think everyone needs to take a step back and think about not what they say but how they say it... You never know how your words affect someone else.......I'm not saying don't do a review but the potshots and lies hurt... Of course this is a review board but things go to far at times with some reviewers....Last year I had a client come in and before he even removed his boots he said "Oh and by the way I am from TERB and I will be doing a review" I then politely asked him to leave.. And wouldn't you know about two days later a review came out about me saying that I had sagging skin, and a stinky pussy etc... I have no proof it was him but he did try to bully me using the board... This sort of thing happens every day right here in our own Terb backyard...........There is a huge difference between a review board and a bash board...
 
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mach

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I'm not surprised with that. The mental age of a lot of the members here really shines through at this site.
 
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