it is not my job to convince you of the things i have done in my life, i know where i been and what i have done. it was 3 handfulls of 7 pills per swallow. i tell my story to lots of people, not just this one particular thing. there is a reason i tell his story as well, i tell it to kids (teenagers) all the time cuz they glorify that lifestyle, i tell it to adults so they know what to watch for, i tell to just about anyone that i think it might help. i like to tell it and i am very honest about it all because at the end of the day if telling them that while it might look fun in a few years it won't be and it may cause a lot of issues, if it gets them to stop then maybe it wasn't a waste after all. i have also not been shy about talking about my health problems caused from it either. if you care to know that shit i would tell you but you would probably just attempt to call me a liar on that as well.
Bullying & Suicide
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The day does not go by when I don't learn something on terb.
I am not trying to mediate or settle this rub/simon dispute but I did read this interesting tidbit:
I am not trying to mediate or settle this rub/simon dispute but I did read this interesting tidbit:
It is entirely possible that they are both correct.Acetaminophen overdoses are not necessarily fatal; we have good treatment in case of overdose . As long as the treatment is given within 8-10 hours of an overdose, the chance of liver failure is low. But if treatment is not sought in time, the destruction of the liver cells is irreversible. That is what happened to the two kids I saw.
If the actions of a bully or group of bullies causes someone to commit suicide, then YES.should bullies be charged with manslaughter?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uraging-online-suicide-Theyll-die-anyway.html
You antagonize and insult many members regularly. In this post, you insulted me 3x and Simon 1x just so you know there's no bonus points for multiple insults.Aren't you the whiny little mouse who cries whenever I make a yo-momma joke or about your short hairy ugly ass?
Simon is indeed a lowlife but you are lower for mocking him over his (claimed) suicide attempts.
It depends upon the case facts. Further, there are other charges that can be laid (such as depending upon jurisdiction: violation of civil rights, criminal harassment, stalking, cyber crimes etc. . .)should bullies be charged with manslaughter?
i saw a news story or maybe it was several stories on several different cases, where a kid was on a webcam and talking about killing themself, everyone in the chat room encouraged her to do it ad she finally did, she hung herself. no one in that room tried to talk her out of it or even call the cops, they just sat and watched. i think those people should be charged in some way.should bullies be charged with manslaughter?
not saying i wouldn't watch the video after wards cuz i liked seeing fucked up shit like that, but if i was in the room at that time i would have tried to talk her out of it. no matter how bad shit is today, there is always tomorrow and a chance it will get better.
Yes, it's very sad. You need to support your kids and take action. I'm not aware of suicides back in my day. When I was bullied as the new kid at elementary school, I basically got my older cousin to kick the bully's ass.Bullying is a real problem that no kid should have to endure. My condolences to his family.
The point is that you made a good post and brought awareness to an important subject...then you fucked it up with a crass comment directed toward another member. that was an epic fail. At least you're consistant.You antagonize and insult many members regularly. In this post, you insulted me 3x and Simon 1x just so you know there's no bonus points for multiple insults.
To be entirely fair you did not ask him that before you jumped all over him about a liver transplant.Except Simon did not tell of his trip to the hospital to receive the specific antidote.
His story has changed from it being an entire bottle of Tylenol to specifically being three handfuls of 7 pills. So it is not likely he'd die under his revised story as 21 pills x 325mg is only 2.3 grams.
Again, though this story points to a "cry for help" faux suicide charade that many people go through the motions of. Taking three "handfuls" of seven (!) pills is hardly a serious attempt. But if he was a bit more of a Drama Queen and he did in fact scoff down a "whole bottle of Tylenol" and it was the extra strength tablets... the person would die an agonizing death of liver failure over the next week or so. In Simon's case where he drank 24 beers, it is possible that the person would pass out or fall asleep and not get to the hospital for the antidote in the 8-10 hour window.
Point is that Tylenol is toxic in anything above a normal dose. And in some people, like alcoholics or obese people with Non-Alcoholoic Fatty Liver disease (and a LOT of people have that without knowing it) their liver function is already impaired and can be damaged with a normal dose.
Nor did you mention that fact that immediate treatment the chance of liver failure is low.
Neither of you made "full disclosure".
Pot, meet kettle.You antagonize and insult many members regularly. ... just so you know there's no bonus points for multiple insults.
You know what, I was bullied in grade school and even high school. Got my locker kicked in and bent too. Come to think of it, I even went to the hospital with a concussion when a guy from the football team was having 'fun' (I couldn't remember what happened - I was told I was 'clothes-hanged', fell back and hit my head). BUT, for the most part, it wasn't daily and I had more friends and really, no enemies in high school. But some tried to take advantage of my good nature. Today, we're all drinking buddies and on each other's FB.I don't know when you were in school, but suicides due to bullying or not fitting in happened back in the late 80's when I was in high school - twice as a matter of fact. I think the difference is that it was never talked about, or put into the media.
I experienced just very slight and light bullying that stopped in Junior High School, and I was fortunate to have a lot of activities in my life both in and out of school that were very effective at building my self esteem and confidence. On a scale of severity, I would say I was at about a 3.5 out of 10 where ten means EXTREME BULLYING like the kinds these guys received. So I was not bullied too much, relatively speaking. However, the experiences of even mild bullying are quite traumatic when they happen and are difficult to get over.
I was VERY FORTUNATE - some very wise people in a youth organization I was a part of in late public school taught me how to verbally and psychologically stand-up to bullies and understand why they think the way that they do. That's why it stopped in Junior High School. However, I don't think the kind of stuff that I learned is available to people being bullied, as they tend to hide their shame, and what they need to do is to find someone in their lives they can talk to, to get them the right counselling and support, which I was fortunate enough to receive, without having to ask for it.
I was out of high school by late 70s, however, and although I don't recall suicides from bullying, we had our share of adolescent issues. In my day, corporeal punishment was still exercised (I saw a Priest almost choke a student by his tie, or a VP throwing a student against a locker. I even had a couple of text books slam me across the back of my head by a teacher.)
he likes to be right, so lets let him be right. that point of my life is over with and i have moved on from it, i never did what i did then asked people to come save me, i never did it for attention, i did it because i am not right in the head and saw it as my only way out. the fact that i tried several times and it never worked tells me i am here for a reason. he seems to have an anger issue about him today.To be entirely fair you did not ask him that before you jumped all over him about a liver transplant.
Nor did you mention that fact that immediate treatment the chance of liver failure is low.
Neither of you made "full disclosure".
Around 5 years ago I was at the gym and tore my left pectoral muscle off the tendon,this was my second tear.I went to the emergency room they told me there was nothing they could do,and chose to give me nothing for the extreme amount of pain I was in,being as it was later at night the only option available was a late night Shoppers drugmart.I bought a bottle of tylenol 1s extra strength,then over the next hou and a half I took around 40 pills in staggered amounts until it atleast numbed the pain.My point being is that there is no specific ,magical number of pills that are instantly fatal.Over the next week no side effects were experienced.Everyone has to remember that what may prove toxic to a 125 male is not going to have the same effects on a 290lb male in good shape,the same would be true of alcohol poisoning,other drugs etc.I have also taken waayy more than 30 tylenol 3s within 2hrs and the only side efffect was an allergic reaction to the amount of codeine.Also have seen an ex-girlfriend take over 50-60 tylenol 1s spaced over 12hrs taken ten at a time,we used to go through 3 bottles a week,and she weighed 115lbs with a severe coke habit too at the time,no rule of nature is set in stone.
no we are all built the same and feel the effects the same. there is zero difference between everyone in the world cuz a website said so.Around 5 years ago I was at the gym and tore my left pectoral muscle off the tendon,this was my second tear.I went to the emergency room they told me there was nothing they could do,and chose to give me nothing for the extreme amount of pain I was in,being as it was later at night the only option available was a late night Shoppers drugmart.I bought a bottle of tylenol 1s extra strength,then over the next hou and a half I took around 40 pills in staggered amounts until it atleast numbed the pain.My point being is that there is no specific ,magical number of pills that are instantly fatal.Over the next week no side effects were experienced.Everyone has to remember that what may prove toxic to a 125 male is not going to have the same effects on a 290lb male in good shape,the same would be true of alcohol poisoning,other drugs etc.I have also taken waayy more than 30 tylenol 3s within 2hrs and the only side efffect was an allergic reaction to the amount of codeine.Also have seen an ex-girlfriend take over 50-60 tylenol 1s spaced over 12hrs taken ten at a time,we used to go through 3 bottles a week,and she weighed 115lbs with a severe coke habit too at the time,no rule of nature is set in stone.
I was seriously bullied in grades 4 and 5. It took me about two years to discover that violence ends bullying. Once I figured that out, early in grade 6, the bullying ceased. Bullies thrive in an environment where kids are ostracized if they involve the authorities (teachers) and parents are powerless. Most victims are socialized early by their peers not to "rat" on the bullies.
I discovered early in life that the best response to bullying was in three parts: (1) ask the bully to stop, (2) threaten violence, (3) violence. If an individual bully is bigger or stronger, start the violence from behind or when the bully is asleep or already in a fight. If the bullies run in packs, seek them out separately, or damage their property while they are not around to defend it, or (as a last resort) start the violence with a weapon.
Just my 2 cents...
I discovered early in life that the best response to bullying was in three parts: (1) ask the bully to stop, (2) threaten violence, (3) violence. If an individual bully is bigger or stronger, start the violence from behind or when the bully is asleep or already in a fight. If the bullies run in packs, seek them out separately, or damage their property while they are not around to defend it, or (as a last resort) start the violence with a weapon.
Just my 2 cents...
solving violence with violence. best solution i ever heard.I was seriously bullied in grades 4 and 5. It took me about two years to discover that violence ends bullying. Once I figured that out, early in grade 6, the bullying ceased. Bullies thrive in an environment where kids are ostracized if they involve the authorities (teachers) and parents are powerless. Most victims are socialized early by their peers not to "rat" on the bullies.
I discovered early in life that the best response to bullying was in three parts: (1) ask the bully to stop, (2) threaten violence, (3) violence. If an individual bully is bigger or stronger, start the violence from behind or when the bully is asleep or already in a fight. If the bullies run in packs, seek them out separately, or damage their property while they are not around to defend it, or (as a last resort) start the violence with a weapon.
Just my 2 cents...
Certainly not if the website is wikipedia, it's not known as a bastion of accuracy.no we are all built the same and feel the effects the same. there is zero difference between everyone in the world cuz a website said so.
for a second opinion i suggest we go to snopes.Certainly not if the website is wikipedia, it's not known as a bastion of accuracy.
