Buffy Sainte-Marie. Is her gig about to be up?

[mandrill]

Looks like many Italians and Portuguese people.

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Dude, c'mon!!!!!

 

[Valcazar]

The French had been firmly established in what is now Quebec for well over 50 years by then, which, in those days, was around three generations. That's plenty of time for most of the male population to have been the product of interbreeding with the locals in at least one generation.

But that wasn't most of the population of the colony.
After the King takes over the colony from the private investors, France sends a new wave of people to the colony.
There are maybe a few hundred colonists before that, then it jumps to about 3,000.

Most of the colonists when "les Filles" show up are unmarried European men who came from Europe in the decade or so before they do.

 

[onomatopoeia]

But that wasn't most of the population of the colony.
After the King takes over the colony from the private investors, France sends a new wave of people to the colony.
There are maybe a few hundred colonists before that, then it jumps to about 3,000.

Most of the colonists when "les Filles" show up are unmarried European men who came from Europe in the decade or so before they do.

There was very little emigration from France after 1700, and none at all after France lost the Seven Years War, (1756-63). Almost 300 years later, wouldn't it be a reasonable conclusion that by now, almost every pure laine Quebecois probably has at least one Native Canadian in their family tree? A large percentage also have Irish or Italian ancestors.

It's not as if those unmarried European male colonists would have been celibate for ten years or so. They weren't Rothchilds or Royalty, who tend to marry only relatives. Almost all of them were peasants, until the early 1960's at least.

That was my opinion in post #18:

I don't think there are many pure laine Québécois people with no Indigenous ancestors.

 

[lomotil]

Did she apply “face paint” to get that dark complexion? She has now retired from the stage anyway but leaves an impressive body of “pro -indigenous “ work through her songs and activism.
Her legacy is now checkered and some Indigenous groups are even disowning her.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Why is everyone making a stink about this? She self-identifies as Native. She's trans-racial. Stop being transphobic you bigots.

It's only okay to appropriate gender.

Appropriating racial ancestry remains off limits, for now.

We are not an inclusive enough society to allow people to fake their racial identity proudly at this time.

 

[Samranchoi]

I know someone who looks totally Caucasian but is 50% native. She doesn’t tell anyone this as she wants to identify herself as non-native. Well.... not always. She wants her tax breaks that she is entitled to. I wonder if Buffy St. Marie received tax breaks that she may not have been entitled to.

 

[dirtyharry555]

I know someone who looks totally Caucasian but is 50% native. She doesn’t tell anyone this as she wants to identify herself as non-native. Well.... not always. She wants her tax breaks that she is entitled to. I wonder if Buffy St. Marie received tax breaks that she may not have been entitled to.

Wouldn't she have had to prove her Native ancestry to the government to receive tax breaks? If so, she wouldn't have been eligible.

 

[Valcazar]

There was very little emigration from France after 1700, and none at all after France lost the Seven Years War, (1756-63). Almost 300 years later, wouldn't it be a reasonable conclusion that by now, almost every pure laine Quebecois probably has at least one Native Canadian in their family tree? A large percentage also have Irish or Italian ancestors.

Maybe?
The issue is your argument that the original stock was already all mixed just doesn't hold.
And, hate to say, genetic studies in the region show remarkable homogeneity.

People fucked around - of course they did, they are people.
But there is actually a pretty clear shallow gene pool in Quebec, right alongside the mixing that happens in a society with numerous ports.

It's not as if those unmarried European male colonists would have been celibate for ten years or so. They weren't Rothchilds or Royalty, who tend to marry only relatives. Almost all of them were peasants, until the early 1960's at least.

That was my opinion in post #18:

The population of Quebec was quite low because it was a trading colony. The King took it over and sent troops to reinforce it. Then he paid them to stay, and sent potential wives over.
That population is almost entirely European. The filles de roi were marrying the soldiers who got sent over after the Spanish war.

Yes there is a lot of Native blood mixed in.
No it isn't everyone and no it isn't because all the men were already descended from mixed stock.
That's not who the population was.

 

[Samranchoi]

Wouldn't she have had to prove her Native ancestry to the government to receive tax breaks? If so, she wouldn't have been eligible.

That is why I said “I wonder”.

 

[Escortlover24]

Blood Quantum and its role in Native Identity — The Indigenous Foundation

What is Blood Quantum? Blood Quantum is a strategy used by the government and tribes to authenticate the amount of “Native blood” a person has by tracing individual and group ancestry. The amount a person has is measured in fractions, such as ¼ or ½. This measurement can affect a person’s tribal

www.theindigenousfoundation.org

The way to prove you are Native is not ancestry DNA test, 1 to 2 per cent Native DNA is not enough blood quantum, though as with Shawina Twain her adopted dad was Native 100 per cent fully Native, she became half Native and recieved a tribal status card, her blood quantum is half because her mother has no Native ancestry and adoption can give blood quantum she is still a pretendian with tribal status card and tribal status cards can only be given through proving who your ancestors are that were enrolled in a tribe, through being adopted as a child,getting married to someone on a federally recognized tribe and getting their blood quantum. If only 1 to 2 per cent DNA is enough to make someone that DNA then there technically is no such thing as a black American or black Canadian the average person from this has anywhere from 25 per cent European ancestry and 75 per cent African ancestry. Think of this can anyone with an ancestry DNA results of 1 to 2 per cent claim citizenship in Europe.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

I don't think there are many pure laine Québécois people with no Indigenous ancestors.

Not true at all. For starters, there's my dad who is fully French-Canadian and has absolutely no Natives in his very well documented family tree.

Also, his AncestryDNA, 23andMe and MyHeritage results show 0.0% Native American.

The myth at all French-Canadians have small amounts of Native ancestry is just that -- a big myth.

 

[1kevin]

I'm surprised how many people seem to be displeased with the CBC for doing the investigation. They seem to think she should be left alone.

Jesus Christ, she's an old woman. She didn't commit any war crimes, nor murder people. She wrote some good songs and entertained people. I can forgive her. Just leave her alone.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Another fake native from Massachusetts. Coincidence or something in the water there?

Jesus Christ, she's an old woman. She didn't commit any war crimes, nor murder people. She wrote some good songs and entertained people. I can forgive her. Just leave her alone.

You're 10 years too early for this opinion. In 2033 people will not only accept but celebrate fabricated racial identities. Because inclusivity.

Besides, I suspect you're white, Kevin. Taking credit from indigenous people for over 60 years has zero impact on you. Her entertainment value (and your fantasies of smashing her back in the day) trump indigenous concerns.

 

[1kevin]

Another fake native from Massachusetts. Coincidence or something in the water there?

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You're 10 years too early for this opinion. In 2033 people will not only accept but celebrate fabricated racial identities. Because inclusivity.

Besides, I suspect you're white, Kevin. Taking credit from indigenous people for over 60 years has zero impact on you. Her entertainment value (and your fantasies of smashing her back in the day) trump indigenous concerns.

How has her being a fake native negatively impacted anyone?

 

[dirtyharry555]

How has her being a fake native negatively impacted anyone?

I guess it probably doesn't sit well if you're Native and looked up to her as a hero since childhood because you believed she was an example of a talented Native person breaking down barriers only to find out she's a fake. I guess it probably doesn't sit well when she has been bestowed many awards, accolades, recognition, and money based on her being Indigenous when she isn't. I guess pretending you understand the trauma of residential schools when you were never in one doesn't sit well with victims of the 60s Scoop.

But don't worry, folks like her may be considered trailblazers in 10 years, when falsifying your gender, race, and entire personal history are treated as progressive.

 

[1kevin]

I guess it probably doesn't sit well if you're Native and looked up to her as a hero since childhood because you believed she was an example of a talented Native person breaking down barriers only to find out she's a fake. I guess it probably doesn't sit well when she has been bestowed many awards, accolades, recognition, and money based on her being Indigenous when she isn't. I guess pretending you understand the trauma of residential schools when you were never in one doesn't sit well with victims of the 60s Scoop.

But don't worry, folks like her may be considered trailblazers in 10 years, when falsifying your gender, race, and entire personal history are treated as progressive.

Ok, then, let's erase everything she ever did, and tar and feather her. Let's publicly humiliate her for her heinous crime.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Ok, then, let's erase everything she ever did, and tar and feather her. Let's publicly humiliate her for her heinous crime.

How is revealing the truth humiliating her?

Maybe it feels that way when you live a lie for 60 years.

She's not a victim.

 

[1kevin]

How is revealing the truth humiliating her?

Maybe it feels that way when you live a lie for 60 years.

She's not a victim.

People carrying pitch forks rarely have any understanding or compassion.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Part of honoring Truth and Reconciliation is to expose the truth. Whether you like that truth or not.

 

[y2kmark]

A high percentage of the people who went from France to North America in the 16th and 17th Century were in the fur trade, or Clergy. The male - female ratio of European immigrants was probably at least 50-1, and many of those females were nuns, or monogamous. One would expect most of the Catholic missionaries and supervisors to have had few descendants, and fewer or the ones who weren't heterosexually celibate would have had Native partners.

By the 18th Century, the beaver felt hat fad had largely declined, (the main purpose of those huge hats was to protect clothing from liquid and solid human waste thrown from second story windows into the street below). Louis XIV sent les filles du Roi in the 18th Century, but there wasn't much additional emigration to New France. France just wanted to increase the population of the colonists who were already there. Very few of the men would have had full European ancestry after several generations.

More beaver stories!!!