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Buffy Sainte-Marie. Is her gig about to be up?

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Iron Eyes Cody, "The Crying Indian",

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had two Italian parents. His real name was Espera Oscar de Corti.

Peter Sellers:

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was not an Eskimo, either.
Sellers was pure blooded Golders Green - LOL!

He's wearing brown makeup in that movie. He also wore brownface in The Millionairess which was my jerkoff staple when I was a pubescent kid and Sophia Loren did a strip tease lingerie scene.
 
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The Fifth Estate research is pretty much conclusive. She is not native. She is not even Canadian. She got much higher pay in the folk scene as an "Indian." She threatened her American family via big showbiz lawyers to shut up early in her career. What roused people's suspicion was her changing story as to which tribe she belonged. She was adopted by the Piapot tribe in Sask. not because of blood but because they liked her. She is also now claiming to have been sexually abused by her brother....a surprise to him. I think it's just another bandwagon to get on.

Too bad, I liked her music. But she has had some advantages because of her native status. She has a Ph.D. in Education...probably gratis. What about taxes?
 

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If it’s proven she’s a Pretendian then she should be stripped of every award she ever received and pay reparations.

A simple DNA swab would clear this up in moments. If she has nothing to hide then she shouldn’t be scared to do it.

Ain’t nobody got time for a 82 yr old lie.
I agree.

I have no idea who she is but I read the article.

It seems she was a young white chick in search of an identity and purpose, found it in her 20s, and ran with it. There are many of those. Attend any cultural festival in Toronto and you'll find some. Individuals that find a "home" in another culture - and adopt all the accoutrements of it. Buffy seems to have gone a step further to make claims that she was actually born Indian instead of someone who highly respects Indian culture.

She's told more different stories about where she was born than Biden has.

Truth is important. Take her DNA and be done with it.

You can be talented and a fraud.

Based on the article, it's very hard to believe that she's Indian. More like the OG Rachel Dolezal/Elizabeth Warren.
 
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Considering this claim of hers dates back to the 60s, I don't really think you can think of it as part of a growing trend now.
It was during the Hippy era were that sort of thing was cool and gave you cred. Probably more so than now where it just gives you access to more government funding.

From the article
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Sainte-Marie’s career began just as the hippie movement was emerging across North America. It was characterized by a rejection of Eurocentric culture and an embrace of Indigenous spirituality, according to Teillet.
“The hippies are in the process of throwing out the traditional churches and adopting spiritualism, and they reach out to Indigenous people to adopt some of their ways.”"

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Sainte-Marie’s growing fame in the 1960s and 1970s coincided with a critical moment for Indigenous issues in the U.S., said Prof. Kim TallBear.
“This is a moment when you see Native issues are beginning to come more into the public consciousness, as you see these red power and Black power social movements … where people that have been silenced for so long are suddenly in the news.”
TallBear said Sainte-Marie’s “long black hair and this kind of exotic sort of image she’s cultivating,” combined with her claim of being Indigenous, “greatly elevated her career and her visibility.”
“I’m not saying she’s not talented,” said TallBear. “But she is very much this representative image of a Native American singer.”"
 
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Sellers was pure blooded Golders Green - LOL!

He's wearing brown makeup in that movie. He also wore brownface in The Millionairess which was my jerkoff staple when I was a pubescent kid and Sophia Loren did a strip tease lingerie scene.

Collection of Sophia Loren films which can be viewed online, or downloaded:

 

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Buffy Sainte-Marie. Is her gig about to be up?
She got away with it all these years, that is like Bernie Madoff ripping off billions and getting a $1000 fine.
 

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She could have tinted her skin (redface) and got plastic surgery. When she was young she didn't look that native. She lied about being born in Saskatchewan and they showed her birth certificate for Mass. They marked her race as W. She threatened to destroy her family if they spoke up. She made a lot of cash with the native scam. Do you think Sesame Street would have hired her without it? She seems very nice and was a native role model, and is talented too, but that big lie is kinda sad and pathetic. How many gigs and awards did she receive that should have gone to real Indians?
 
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I’m African…. But you have to go back about 100,000 years in my ancestry… maybe 200,000.
 

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I don't think there are many pure laine Québécois people with no Indigenous ancestors.
That's a real interesting question.
There probably are - marriage and birth records are pretty solid in many areas, and there have been many genetic studies taking advantage of the isolated communities in the province.
That said, there are LOTS of kids with mixed heritage in there (also shown by those same studies).
So you have the situation where probably lots of people have a " story about how there is some indigenous ancestry" but no good way to prove it. Which means some of those people really are, some aren't but they don't know they are wrong, and some people are lying deliberately. It's not obvious who is who.
 

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That's a real interesting question.
There probably are - marriage and birth records are pretty solid in many areas, and there have been many genetic studies taking advantage of the isolated communities in the province.
That said, there are LOTS of kids with mixed heritage in there (also shown by those same studies).
So you have the situation where probably lots of people have a " story about how there is some indigenous ancestry" but no good way to prove it. Which means some of those people really are, some aren't but they don't know they are wrong, and some people are lying deliberately. It's not obvious who is who.

A high percentage of the people who went from France to North America in the 16th and 17th Century were in the fur trade, or Clergy. The male - female ratio of European immigrants was probably at least 50-1, and many of those females were nuns, or monogamous. One would expect most of the Catholic missionaries and supervisors to have had few descendants, and fewer or the ones who weren't heterosexually celibate would have had Native partners.

By the 18th Century, the beaver felt hat fad had largely declined, (the main purpose of those huge hats was to protect clothing from liquid and solid human waste thrown from second story windows into the street below). Louis XIV sent les filles du Roi in the 18th Century, but there wasn't much additional emigration to New France. France just wanted to increase the population of the colonists who were already there. Very few of the men would have had full European ancestry after several generations.
 

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A high percentage of the people who went from France to North America in the 16th and 17th Century were in the fur trade, or Clergy. The male - female ratio of European immigrants was probably at least 50-1, and many of those females were nuns, or monogamous. One would expect most of the Catholic missionaries and supervisors to have had few descendants, and fewer or the ones who weren't heterosexually celibate would have had Native partners.

By the 18th Century, the beaver felt hat fad had largely declined, (the main purpose of those huge hats was to protect clothing from liquid and solid human waste thrown from second story windows into the street below). Louis XIV sent les filles du Roi in the 18th Century, but there wasn't much additional emigration to New France. France just wanted to increase the population of the colonists who were already there. Very few of the men would have had full European ancestry after several generations.
I don't think you have the time line right.
The fille du Roi are 17th century.
They arrive right after the major immigration wave that increases the population from a few hundred to a couple of thousand.
That population is mostly European, it just arrived in the decade or so before.
There is a lot of mixed marriage over time, but the men the filled du roy are marrying aren't descendants of the original colonists 60 years ago, those are only a small portion of the population.
 

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I don't think there are many pure laine Québécois people with no Indigenous ancestors.
I'd say you are wrong on that.

Ancestory shows nothing on my pure wool father and he like most of them go back very far [mid 1600's patralinical]
Also generally speaking they went out, did the fur trade, banged and even married, but when it was time to settle down back in Quebec [if they did] they didn't bring those women back. So is there a lot of mixture, yes, but among the French in Quebec, not so much. Now among the tribes and further west, yes.

Of course most pirates were recruited in Manitoba among their descendants, that is why after all they greeted each other with Ahoy Métis. True Story. ;)
 

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I don't think you have the time line right.
The fille du Roi are 17th century.
They arrive right after the major immigration wave that increases the population from a few hundred to a couple of thousand.
That population is mostly European, it just arrived in the decade or so before.
There is a lot of mixed marriage over time, but the men the filled du roy are marrying aren't descendants of the original colonists 60 years ago, those are only a small portion of the population.
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Yes, les filles du Roi was a policy sponsored by Louis XIV from 1663 - 1673.

People from Quebec City say that their women are more beautiful than the ones in Montreal because, when the ships carrying les filles sailed down the St Lawrence, Montreal got the girls that the guys in Quebec didn't want, (the same applies now to Sept-Iles and hashish).

The French had been firmly established in what is now Quebec for well over 50 years by then, which, in those days, was around three generations. That's plenty of time for most of the male population to have been the product of interbreeding with the locals in at least one generation.

While there may be detailed birth and death records from the period, their wouldn't have been ethnicity records, as with a modern census. The Catholic church actively sought to convert the heathen savages in their midst to Christianity, and very likely, Christian names were applied to the Natives who allowed themselves to be baptized.

I'm not sure how far back someone's roots in Quebec have to go before they can be considered pure laine. Some snobbery, no doubt, likely exists between those descended from the original settlers, and the 'jean-ny come latelies' whose families have only been around since the 1650's. We are talking about the French, after all.
 
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She could have tinted her skin (redface) and got plastic surgery. When she was young she didn't look that native. She lied about being born in Saskatchewan and they showed her birth certificate for Mass. They marked her race as W. She threatened to destroy her family if they spoke up. She made a lot of cash with the native scam. Do you think Sesame Street would have hired her without it? She seems very nice and was a native role model, and is talented too, but that big lie is kinda sad and pathetic. How many gigs and awards did she receive that should have gone to real Indians?
Should "real Indians" stop playing her music and shun her? Demand a DNA profile, what?
 
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